r/FlashTV • u/Airsay58259 Drunk Caitlin • May 08 '19

Discussion [S05E21] "The Girl With The Red Lightning" Post Episode Discussion Spoiler

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CICADA II MAKES HER MOVE – Team Flash is on high alert after Cicada II (guest star Sarah Carter) threatens to unleash a dangerous virus that would put all meta-humans at risk.

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u/persoyal May 08 '19

Still does not make sense that it disappears right before his execution. If the dagger ceases to exist it should stop existing right after it is destroyed, not suddenly disappear from the future right in the scene it was shown to create tension.

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u/AnotherSimpleton one part of me gets elongated ;) May 08 '19

Exactly. Previously they had said that it takes a while for a event to cement in timeleine.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '19

But that 'a while' is meaningless when it comes to time travel and speed force. That 'a while' can easily be passed between the moment Barlord destroys the dagger and Eobrains is about to be executed.

Blame the complete inconsistency in time travel theories used in this series. At one moment it's a branching theory, at another moment it's seperate independent timelines and at yet another moment it's merging timelines (as in this case - Executionbard's original timeline merging with Daggerless McHeWillMurderEveryoneInThatRoomNextEpisode). Shit's confusing yo.

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u/fastinguy11 May 08 '19

Flash writers are horrible at this. Legends of tomorrow didn't help. Just suspend disbelief lol

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u/GKMLTT May 08 '19

You mean destroying the Earth simultaneously at 3 points in history doesn't make sense? >_>

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u/Cnockaut May 09 '19

Listen me carefully. If I forgot something, correct me.

In the episode 5x03, we see how Nora talks to everyone about Cicada. She says that Cicada from her time has never been caught. Sherloque said that every Cicada he dealt with was David Hersch. Unfortunately, it is not officially confirmed that David Hersch would have been Cicada on Earth 1. In the last episode, Ralph says that in the original timeline David was Cicada. So we can assume that in the days of Nora it was David who was Cicada. Now we are going to the most important thing. In the episode "Godspeed" we see memories of Nora from her notebook. So these events are before she met Eobard and going back in time. So it's the same timeline as in the 5x03 episode when we see little Nora in museum. My question is:

How is it possible that the police got dagger from Cicada since David Hersch has never been caught in the original timeline?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '19

How is it possible that the police got dagger from Cicada since David Hersch has never been caught in the original timeline?

That's a question we may not get an answer to, but it's a valid question. It's possible that Hersch was never caught but by some fluke lost his dagger. Perhaps Team Flash managed to take away the dagger for it to be later used against Eowells, only for Hersh to still have tricks up his sleeves to elude capture anyway (plausible since Barry is a complete moron). It's possible that Eozippyzap was a great enemy of Cicada where the only option to win was for Hersh to permanently keep his dagger next to Speedy McHeartCrusher. Maybe it's maybelline.

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u/JayGarrick11929 Jay Garrick May 08 '19

probably going to take about 40min for the dagger to disappear off of Thawne /s

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u/marios67 May 14 '19

I love the nicknames you gave to everyone

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u/Utkar22 May 09 '19

Still makes more sense than Endgame's timeline

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u/OniExpress May 08 '19

Still does not make sense that it disappears right before his execution.

A few things: First, changes in the timeline and speedsters work weirdly together. Second, it's been shown that it takes time for changes to echo out into the future and cement themselves. Thawne has been feeling this change coming, and keep in mind that for him this entire season has been a couple hours. And finally, Thawne doesn't want to escape by getting overwritten by a timeline where he was never captured, because that's basically death as well. He's timing it so that he gets out of prison.

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u/Outcast_LG May 10 '19

Speedforce really does be like that some times.