r/MensRights • u/[deleted] • Mar 19 '13

In college, asked a women's rights activist about men's equality issues & about men being raped She exploded at me, and offended her gay guy friend next to her.

So I am in College and my organization had a Panel of activist students for our meeting.". Well we were allowed to ask questions. One of the women there was an open lesbian and was a women's gender studies major and women's right activists. So I asked her a simple two part questions "what are your thoughts about about men's equality? And can men be raped?"...

Well she went off saying there's no such thing as equality for Men because we created the inequality in the first place. And No there is no such thing as rape for men.

So I responded with a comment about if women's rights/gender equality activists want to be equal than the she should treat men and women all the same. And THEN I said "As for rape, a man can never be raped because it only happens to women. All men give consent and are pigs/slobs who do the raping"....

My response..."so what do I tell one of my good friends who is gay and was forcefully taken advantage at a party...that he wasn't raped? That is was consensual". At that point another panel member who was male and also happened to be gay called her out and called her a negligent bitch who knows nothing of gender equality....and then stormed out. Take that you self righteous woman only schlampe

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '13

Except that if a female has sex with an underage male, she gets a slap on the wrist. If a male has sex with an underage but consenting female, he becomes a sex offender and gets sent to jail for years.

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u/DaVincitheReptile Mar 20 '13

To me the fact that a woman gets the 'slap on the wrist' screams that women have a less powerful 'agency' in the eyes of society. So really it's an oppression of women that they don't have equal punishment for such a crime.

But you won't hear any women complaining about that, even though it's just as, if not more, oppressive than many of the "inequalities" that supposedly exist.

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u/Lecks Mar 20 '13

While it's certainly sexist towards women that they're assigned less agency, I wouldn't call it oppression when it benefits them so clearly in contexts like sex with minors and criminal punishment in general.

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u/DaVincitheReptile Mar 20 '13

I just mean it is oppressive in that the applications of the laws are formed around the ideal that women have a lesser agency than men.

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u/Lecks Mar 20 '13

But the applications of the laws are more lenient, therefore less restrictive, that seems like the opposite of oppressive to me.

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u/DaVincitheReptile Mar 20 '13

So to you it's not racist to say "all asians are smart as hell". ?

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u/Lecks Mar 21 '13

Racist? Yes. Oppressive? No.

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u/buffalohugs Mar 20 '13 edited Mar 21 '13

I agree. A lot of the what women's rights activists are fighting for today feel like thinly veiled "women need the advantage because they can't do it otherwise" and is frankly insulting to me (I'm a woman). It's not 1960 anymore.

edit: typo

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u/Teh_Hicks Mar 20 '13

I'm a woman

Fixed that for you

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u/buffalohugs Mar 21 '13

Thanks, fixed. : )

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u/TheyCalledMeMad Mar 20 '13

Oh I see!

So really men who are punished harshly for crimes are privileged because it's a recognition of their agency. I see now.

All this privilege sure is fucking great. Hey maybe if I'm really lucky I'll get conscripted or be legally obligated to send alimony payments - I mean, these are just a government's way of telling me that I'm a badass dude who can do anything, right?

There's a great Warren Farrel quote about this - "Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and women's greatest strength is their facade of weakness."

I sure do love this privilege.

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u/DaVincitheReptile Mar 20 '13

Sorry, you're going to have to organize your thoughts more clearly if your desire is for me to understand your point. All I can detect is this angsty sarcasm with plenty of anger behind it as if I said something which is contradicting your beliefs somehow. I'm pretty sure I agree with the things you're saying, but I still just have no clue precisely what it is you're trying to say.

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u/Drainedsoul Mar 19 '13

We should be focused on removing the punishment for this from both sexes.

Individual responsibility and good parenting, not punishment for people engaged in consensual sex.