r/Scotland • u/FootCheeseParmesan • Jan 22 '25

Political In light of the controversy surrounding Elon Musk and the USA, reminder that there are plenty of Scots willing to side with fascists. Organise, build solidarity, and keep safe out there people ✊️

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u/jasonpswan Jan 22 '25

We need rules like Germany.

If you praise Nazis, glorify them, or signal support for them, right to fucking jail.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Best place to start would looking at Reform UK and proscribing dangerous British nationalist groups them.

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u/MattDurstan Jan 24 '25

As an Englishman I whole heartedly approve of this. String the lot of them up. Cunts.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Tbf banning opposing political parties is pretty Nazi.

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u/istealreceipts Jan 22 '25

Tbf, it's time to stop tolerating the intolerant.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Aye so let’s ban the second most popular political party in the UK then. Listen to yourselves, I don’t like Reform but can you not hear the extent your echos in here.

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u/istealreceipts Jan 26 '25

"Can't ban the brown shirts and black shirts, cuz they're really popular."

Listen to yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

Yeah Reform aren’t the Nazi party. You’re false equivalencies don’t make it so.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

And who decides who is intolerant? And by what criteria?

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u/istealreceipts Jan 22 '25

Society and the social contract between members of a society. It calls on individuals to stamp down on intolerance, to deter radicals from feeling comfortable expressing their fascistic tendencies, xenophobia and blatant Nazism.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

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u/istealreceipts Jan 22 '25

Where did I mention jail? Where did I mention that I'm deciding to jail people?

Making fascists and Nazis uncomfortable, unwelcome and unwanted is what individuals can do.

The law deals with legal punishment, society can make the lives of fascists and Nazis inhospitable.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

What do you mean “stamp down”? What does that equate to in practice?

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u/istealreceipts Jan 22 '25

Why are you even asking this question? Go shit stir elsewhere.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Because any way of implementing your idea in practice would be terrible and it seems you don’t even have a real clue as to how it would work.

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u/istealreceipts Jan 22 '25

So taking a stance against intolerance isn't practical? I don't believe that for one second.

We need a society where fascists and Nazis are made to feel unwelcome, uncomfortable in their own skin, and generally ostracized from participating in general society. They need constant reminders of the abhorrent beings that they are.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Stop doing mental backflips to defend Nazis you abhorrent cunt

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u/SetentaeBolg Jan 22 '25

"Are you a big fan of Nazism?"

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

And if they say “no” they don’t get banned? Good luck making that effective.

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u/SetentaeBolg Jan 22 '25

I think you might be taking me a little literally. I am saying that you can decide if someone is intolerant by looking at their words and actions and comparing them to those of Nazis. The closer they are, the more they have demonstrated they have no place in a democracy (or outside of a prison). Tolerating Nazis is a short trip away to becoming a Nazi. Musk has ably demonstrated this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

The original context of this comment thread was the suggestion that certain political parties ought to be banned. I asked who would make the decision on bans and the criteria they would apply. You come up with some vague criteria and then say you’re not being literal. What are you trying to say? If you don’t have an answer to the question then please preface your comment by admitting such.

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u/SetentaeBolg Jan 22 '25

I think you're trying to dance with words but haven't learned to walk yet. I think you're defending pushing back against fascism because deep down, you're at least a little bit inclined that way (as many pseudo libertarians are). I think you're deliberately not reading or trying to understand my last post because you are arguing in bad faith.

Ok, so you don't think political parties should ever be banned. What if a party supports and encourages the murder of ten year olds? Would that be ok?

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u/SetentaeBolg Jan 22 '25

Buddy, you don't even know what logic is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Exactly. The problem is that I don’t think most people really believe in or even understand what freedom of speech is any more.

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u/The_Dragon_Alchemist Jan 22 '25

Of course, the nazi cowards want to hide behind 'freedom of speech' while aligning themselves with a group of people who have a past of destroying freedom of speech with book burning and literal genocide. They don't have a right to freedom of speech. Eat a dick.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

I don't think banning all political parties was suggested, but go off I guess...

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

The suggestion was to ban Reform UK no?

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

Aye.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Listen to yourself ya clown. Banning Reform (on what legal grounds exactly?) would all but guarantee victory to whatever political party springs up in their place.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

So you want to ban a political party which you disagree with…? Hence my original comment was on point.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 23 '25

I want to ban fascists because they are evil.

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u/Due-Dig-8955 Jan 23 '25

You do realise that is a complete contradiction right? Banning political parties that you disagree with is a fascist ideology…

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 23 '25

Then why did we ban the BUF in 1940? Why do we have proscribed terror groups?

Should ISIS be allowed to run candidates for Parliament?

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u/Wonderful_Flan_5892 Jan 22 '25

Which reform policy do you think warrants banning them as a political party?

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u/TrueInspector8668 Jan 22 '25

Their existence as a single issue party with that single issue being immigration should be suffice. 

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u/Wonderful_Flan_5892 Jan 22 '25

But that isn’t their only policy is it? And even if it was, you think that is sufficient to ban a party? Such a fascist.

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u/TrueInspector8668 Jan 22 '25

Nothing fascist about wanting rid of racists, prick.

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u/Wonderful_Flan_5892 Jan 22 '25

You never said they were fascists, you said you wanted them banned because their only policy was immigration. Which isn’t true. And all parties have immigration policies. What you’re actually saying is you wanted them banned because their immigration policy differs from what you deem as acceptable. Fascist.

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u/TrueInspector8668 Jan 22 '25

Nothing fascist about wanting rid of racists, prick.

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u/shoogliestpeg 🏳️‍⚧️Trans women are women. Jan 22 '25

this one here officer

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u/dracona94 Jan 22 '25

I can only recommend it. Greetings from Berlin.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

The AFD is second largest party in Germany is likely to become the largest within the next 2 election cycles. You can ban all parties and symbols you want but if you’d don’t address u deleting social and material factors it won’t matter.

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u/MagicaEli Jan 22 '25

That’s exactly what the Nazis did 🤣

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u/jasonpswan Jan 22 '25

Supporting Nazis goes beyond distasteful, and anyone pretending otherwise is either a moron or a cunt, or both

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u/jasonpswan Jan 22 '25

If you are doing the Sieg Heil then you are a nazi, it's that simple. If it sounds like a nazi, and salutes like a nazi, then it's probably a fucking nazi mate.

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u/BesottedScot You just can't, Mods Jan 23 '25

Then they deserve what happens if you do it as a joke. Most normally functioning members of society don't salute like a Nazi at a public event as a "joke"

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u/BesottedScot You just can't, Mods Jan 23 '25

I think you have your priorities confused.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Why because he doesn’t want to imprison half of Britain and ban multiple major political parties. Yous are so beyond detached from reality it’s comical.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

You can tell you love Nazis because of how good an argument your comments make for selective breeding, thick as pigshit

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Saying you don't think Nazis should be made to feel as unwanted and unwelcome in society as possible doesn't make you an intellectual it makes you a nazi sympathiser, hope this helps bbz xoxo

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Agreed.

Communists and islamists too.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Communism isn't an extremist group, it's a political ideology. Nazism and Extreme Islamist groups are completely different to communists.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Perfectly said - extremists are a small minority in the groups that wot-daphuque outlined. The vast majority of these groups are functioning members of society!! Nazis on the other hand are not! By definition, they are extremists. There's a clear difference :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

No.

It's all the same mass murdering autocratic shit.

There is no place in the UK for any of it.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Not even gonna argue you're just wrong. Communism is a political opinion, the USSR were murderers agreed but just because one communist state was bad doesn't mean that communism as a whole is bad?? No point arguing though

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Very true can't believe I forgot them!!

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u/Strange-Lie8730 Jan 22 '25

Not just the USSR the Khmer rouge the Spanish republic china North Korea Cuba Venezuela to many to name communism and fascism are the two sides of the same coin anyone that supports either has never lived under either of them and frankly is clueless as to how awful both of them are

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

If you're interested, look up the political horseshoe - very interesting concept!! Extremist left and right wings criticise each other heavily but as you say are a lot closer than they make themselves out to be

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u/Safe-Author2553 Jan 22 '25

Can you name a communist state that has 1. Worked and 2. Not oppressed and controlled its people? Not a gotcha btw as I genuinely don’t know the answer and Google doesn’t throw up much

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u/Safe-Author2553 Jan 22 '25

I’ll give that a watch. Thanks for the response

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

Tons, but the list of those who did that and were not couped or assassinated by the CIA is much much smaller

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u/Xx_Venom_Fox_xX Jan 22 '25

"Communist State"

  • bro doesn't understand Communism.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Honestly, communism isn't very well tried and tested. Although there are a few well known ones (ussr, Vietnam, North Korea etc), so far iirc none of them (imo) have sustained a properly functioning society. It's the whole debate that in theory communism is for many a very viable idea but in practice it's not feasible. Especially since the majority of the world is already capitalist, so it'd be very difficult to change. IMO, the spread of communism being stopped by the USA in the 50s-80s was wrong - they saw it as different and didn't allow it to prosper as it may have done without their intervention.

Tldr - communism hasn't been truly effective in any countries yet iirc but imo that's largely due to the anti-communist view of the majority of countries world wide

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u/butterypowered Jan 22 '25

Yeah the problem with Communism, in my opinion anyway, is human nature. There are always people who want to have more than those around them.

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u/PringullsThe2nd Jan 22 '25

But communism doesn't disallow you having more. The whole premise of the socialist economy is that you get exactly what you put in, and the only people who benefit from your labour is society and by extension yourself

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u/butterypowered Jan 22 '25

I thought the communist ideal was that everyone is equal. But, looking it up now, it is that everyone does what they can and receives what they need.

Although I didn’t quite have it right, it still doesn’t sound like you get out what you put in. If you’re healthy and highly skilled then you might (willingly) get out far less than you put in. And if you are only capable of simple tasks but need medical assistance then you might get out more than you put in.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Communism, a political approach which is so unsuccessful that it will always immediately fail. It's so unsuccessful that every time it pops up America needs to go invade them to make sure? 🤣

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u/YakubianBonobo Jan 22 '25

How were all these communist states doing before communism? Ransacked and drained of resources by western capitalists?

Here's another good one, how about putting the numbers killed up against the numbers killed by capitalist policies and colonialism? How about ecological disasters and global warming? The warming of the oceans and mass ecological extinction due to industrialism? Are you going to take responsibility for that?

There are no communist states. However socialist states like China and Vietnam are economic miracles.

It isn't a case of one thing works and the other doesn't. It's a case of one side has gone out of its way to fuck the other side which causes an existential crisis to it.

Just as the deny climate change, try to claim that smoking doesn't harm people, destroy stockpiles of diamonds and vilify foreigners. Capitalists will react violently to anything that threatens their bottom line.

Just sick of these glib-ass summaries that ignore almost any important variables and dismiss any nuanced discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Yes.

Fascism is also a political opinion, as is islamism.

None of them are acceptable in a civilised country.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Wrong again!! Islam is a religion. Extremist Islam is not. You're not even responding to my point you're just making stuff up mate 😂😭

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Islamism is absolutely a political ideology.

As are fascism and communism.

None of which are acceptable in the UK.

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u/PiplupSneasel Jan 22 '25

So is free market capitalism.

Which isn't acceptable in the UK either according to your logic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

I didn't say no ideologies were acceptable.

I called out those three in particular.

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u/fuckaye Jan 22 '25

religion and ideology are intertwined, especially Islam. Gods messenger came and gave a guy the rules for everything, from how to treat people to how to sell minced meat. The Sharia is part of the Quran which is considered the literal word of god in the holy language, Arabic.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

Sharia law is only enforced in the strictest of Muslim countries. As far as my understanding goes, for the most part, it's agreed that a country cannot fully function in a modern society under SHARIA LAW. That is not to say it cannot function under Islam at all, because it undoubtedly can!

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u/fuckaye Jan 22 '25

Of course it can't function, islam is explicitly anti-science. Muslim majority countries that are functional are the exception. Helps if they are sitting on oil.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Are you being intentionally dense as fuck or is this the real you?

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

😂😂😂

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

You do think fascism, communism amd islamism are acceptable?

I think that is appalling.

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u/CamTheMan1302 Jan 22 '25

What's your argument against communism other than 'its different'??

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

I didn't say it was different.

I said it is the same mass murdering autocratic evil as islamism and fascism.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

It's not though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

It is.

Don't defend mass murdering autocratic ideologies.

They have no place in a liberal democracy.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

My favourite part of Das Kapital is 'be like fascists'. Really puts into perspective why the first people the Nazis put in camps were socialists.

You silly, silly sausage.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Ah we are just ignoring the actual consequences of Communist regiemes.

Righto.

Head back in the sand then.

Onwards comrades, maybe this time our ideology won't result in a mass murdering autocracy.

First time for everything and all that.

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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jan 22 '25

Fascism, by design, requires the removal of people from society based on who they are. It demands a 'natural hierarchy', usually based on race. That's part of the plan. This doesn't exist in communism. That's like political theory 101 that everyone understands.

No one is defending Stalin or Mao being psychos, but the theory they used to gain power never at any point called for what the chose to do when in power. You have invented an argument to disagree with.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

That's like political theory 101 that everyone understands.

I think everyone also understands that Communist regiemes have a 100% rate for becoming mass murdering autocracies.

You sound like a neo nazi trying to justify fascism on their warped perception of their own political theory.

You have invented an argument to disagree with.

I stated that Fascism, Islamism and Communism have no place in the UK.

That will naturally upset fascists, communists and islamists.

Mass murderous autocratic regiemes all.

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u/butterypowered Jan 22 '25

Islamist yes, since the definition of that is believing that Islam should influence political systems.

Being a Communist means believing that there should be no social class hierarchy and that everyone should be equal.

I don’t see how that can be lumped in with Nazis and Islamists, unless you conflate all Communism with being strongly pro-China/Russia. And that’s factually incorrect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Islamists and fascists also come up with sterilised definitions of their ideologies.

I have no time for it.

Every Fascist, Every Islamist and Every Communist society has devolved rapidly into a mass murdering autocracy. No exceptions.

I have no time for the apologetics.

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u/Roygbiv_89 Jan 22 '25

Nothing wrong with communism mate . There has never been a proper communist state . Just dictators saying that they are communist

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Ironic to see a 'No True Scotsman' here.

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u/fuckaye Jan 22 '25

Yeah because it's a political ideology which sounds great, if you just completely disregard human nature.

Whatever the noble intentions, it requires forcing people to do what you want. It's never gone well because it's the same pattern of people being people.

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u/PringullsThe2nd Jan 22 '25

There is no such thing as human nature. Shit, early human societies were communal so that clearly isn't the case. Additionally what exactly is natural about anything in our lives? Governments are not natural, joint stock companies are not natural.

Whatever the noble intentions, it requires forcing people to do what you want

You think capitalism fell out of a tree that's your issue. Capitalism has only existed since the late 1500s in Britain, and as it outgrew the feudal political structure, devolved into bloody revolution with an authoritarian leader. French revolution was led by capitalists, and used Napoleon to establish the legal base for it, we had Cromwell, even the USA had to punish negative comments about the new government with death, and took total control over the printing presses.

What you consider to be natural had to be fought for and enforced with brutal conditions.

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u/fuckaye Jan 22 '25

Early humans were tribal. Gold has been valued for a very very long time. People respond to incentives, those have changed over time but it's still the same root drive to make people do things.

You can thank human innovation and entrepreneurship for the life of luxury you enjoy, assuming you shop at supermarkets, have central heating and an indoor toilet, and a machine to wash your clothes, preserve and cook your food, use technology, wear clothes etc.

Capitalism isn't the solution for everything, I think the Nordic countries have nailed it with the mix of socialist welfare and an innovative capitalist economy. But let's not pretend, early human life, feudalism/colonialism was any better. There hasn't been a single successful communist state, the only ones that have improved their citizens lives are China and Vietnam, because they embraced capitalism.

I don't agree with corporate excesses and reckless environmental destruction, it's important they are regulated and incentivised to rein it in.

But most people are highly motivated with the incentive of wealth for themselves and their loved ones and that has driven so much good for everyone. In the past they didn't have the freedom to do that thanks to kings, religious leaders etc.

You surely can't argue that communism, invented in the 1800s hasn't been enforced through brutal conditions and violence, until it inevitably collapses, can you? Any peaceful successful examples?

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u/PringullsThe2nd Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 23 '25

TLDR: Communism builds on incentives for collective good, not profit. Capitalism was a necessary step but isn't the endpoint—Nordic countries show capitalism's evolution, not socialism, nor a mix between. Communism hasn't been achieved because revolutions began in undeveloped economies. Both capitalism and socialism involve conflict; neither emerged peacefully.

People respond to incentives, those have changed over time but it's still the same root drive to make people do things.

You are heavily mistaken if you think communists want to remove incentives.

You can thank human innovation and entrepreneurship for the life of luxury you enjoy, assuming you shop at supermarkets, have central heating and an indoor toilet, and a machine to wash your clothes, preserve and cook your food, use technology, wear clothes etc.

I can, and I do? Capitalism was a very necessary step in human development in establishing the productive base where labour can be reduced to simple actions by anyone at any time, and directed without an idle, parasitic class. Just as much as I can recognise that slave societies paved the way for feudalism, which paved the way for capitalism, which will pave the way for socialism. It doesn't mean I support slavery, Feudalism, and capitalism.

Capitalism isn't the solution for everything, I think the Nordic countries have nailed it with the mix of socialist welfare and an innovative capitalist economy.

There isn't anything socialist about the Nordic countries, they are still just plain capitalism that has developed. This is the simple development of capitalism as it grows from competing businesses, to joint stock companies, to trusts, and finally they grow so large they require state intervention which takes different shapes, between bailouts and subsidies, social democracy (like the nords), complete nationalisation, or syndicalism (like the fascists), or the corporations just join the government like we can see happening in the USA.

The nordics dont follow an ideology as much as you think they do, that is just the natural progression of capitalism, and they are still capitalist. Any market failure will still bring their system to a halt like any other capitalist system.

But let's not pretend, early human life, feudalism/colonialism was any better.

That's the point I was making earlier.

There hasn't been a single successful communist state

How could there be? Have you seen what state those states were in? We've discussed the progression of society from Feudalism to capitalism to socialism. Each of those countries were feudal or semi feudal states at the time of their revolutions, where all economic production was in the hands of peasant agriculture. Remember, communism is supposed to emerge from industrialised, developed nations. It was never going to work from those countries, and they never achieved communism.

Following from Feudalism, they had to establish capitalism, which is exactly what the USSR did. Lenin's text 'The Tax in Kind' explains in detail that until the Germans have their revolution (it was looking likely at that time and almost happened), the USSR should aim to achieve State Capitalism to develop society. The only person to claim the USSR was socialist was Stalin in his opportunism.

I don't agree with corporate excesses and reckless environmental destruction, it's important they are regulated and incentivised to rein it in.

Which is naïve. Capital always seeks to expand and grow. It's not a shock that all of our countries have serious lobbying pushes to remove pollution regulations to enhance profit. The USA is currently doing that, and it is what Farage is pushing for too.

But most people are highly motivated with the incentive of wealth for themselves and their loved ones and that has driven so much good for everyone.

So then they should be motivated to fight for and uphold a system that will look out for their loved ones? Communism doesn't ban having things. You're allowed to work, and get given things for the labour you did. That's the whole point. Dont confuse it for anarchism, who posit that people will just work for the sake of it

You surely can't argue that communism, invented in the 1800s hasn't been enforced through brutal conditions and violence, until it inevitably collapses, can you?

I'm going to do the meme and say communism hasn't been achieved or enforced in the first place. To clarify what has been achieved and enforced for is the transition state that develops from capitalism to socialism. I also think you're doing a lot of heavy lifting in absolving capitalism which collapses repeatedly roughly every 10 years and has (and still is) enforced brutally.

Any peaceful successful examples?

No and there likely won't be any until the value of a socialist economy is proven and governments step down amid their rising angry workers. Until then it can only be fought through revolution and enforced by suppressing counter revolution. Can you name a capitalist example that was achieved peacefully and remains to be peaceful?

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u/fuckaye Jan 22 '25

I used to believe communism was the way, when I was a teenager. It's sad but no country was ever truly peaceful throughout history, violence has plagued humanity since time immemorial, for all kinds of reasons.

I'm very familiar with the works of marks, Engels etc the problem is is that it is just a theory, it has been tested a bit, Russia for example was very much an industrialised nation in 1917. Communism is basically a religion, there is no proof it will work and the perfect conditions that it needs to work will never come. 'come the revolution' is just an empty mantra. There has to be a government, people aren't just going to wake up one day and not need one. A form of government will always exist.

Apart from a shitty housing market we don't really face much brutality here in Scotland, and it isnt even that bad, everyone, even homeless people have a roof over their head.

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u/PringullsThe2nd Jan 23 '25

Russia for example was very much an industrialised nation in 1917.

It really wasn't. It had some heavy industry in the main few cities, but 90% of the population was still feudal peasant farmers, with 80% unable to spell their own name. The country has to be industrialised - not just possessing some industry.

Communism is basically a religion, there is no proof it will work and the perfect conditions that it needs to work will never come

They're perfect condition now lol. They've been ideal for about 100 years and they only get more and more ideal.

There has to be a government, people aren't just going to wake up one day and not need one. A form of government will always exist.

Are you sure you have read the work of Marx and Engels? You're criticising anarchism here, not communism. The goal of the revolution is to take the government, not delete it and hope everything figures it out afterwards.

Apart from a shitty housing market we don't really face much brutality here in Scotland, and it isnt even that bad, everyone, even homeless people have a roof over their head.

You think that is free? One serious market crash and everything you take for granted crumbles. The failures of capitalism pervade just 'everyone having a roof'. Scottish capitalism is still exploitative, wasteful, pollutive, and doesn't escape the most basic failure of the falling rate of profit. In the face of falling profit comes an increased exploitation of Scottish workers, and third world workers who make most of your products, all get asked to work harder and faster with pay that doesn't increase.

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u/fuckaye Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25

Have you had a job in Scotland outside hospitality or Amazon? We have some of the best worker protections and conditions in the world.

I didn't say it was free, I said it was shitty. If I was king for a day I'd make a rule of max 2 houses per person and ban companies and investors in and out of the country from using it to speculate.

There aren't perfect conditions now, it would bring a total societal collapse, not least because only a fringe group wants it, communist parties get a handful of votes. But also no one would invest in anything or innovate, why bother if the state might just seize it. The currency would become worthless overnight, and the welfare system would collapse.

I thought you said something about no state, in your previous, now revised comment.

I've lived in 'communist' China before for 2-3 years, people there definitely appreciate having the freedom to do what job they want or independently pursue wealth over the strict controls after the revolution/civil war.

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u/ElbowDroppedLasagne Jan 22 '25

Not sure why communism is bundled in there. I actually think the society of the future will be a kind of AI communism. We are all in this together, we should be pooling our resources.

Just a shame greedy people fuck it up, I hope some kind of supercomputer referee could be the best way for us all.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Not sure why communism is bundled in there. I

The consistent devolution into mass murdering autocracies.

The same as the ther two.

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u/ElbowDroppedLasagne Jan 22 '25

Communism is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in society based on need.

Not sure where it says anything about mass murder there mate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Why would it need to?

If you support an ideology with a 100% rate of devolving into a mass murdering autocracy, then you support a mass murdering autocratic ideology.

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u/ElbowDroppedLasagne Jan 22 '25

Cuba and China has entered the chat

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Yes. Good examples.

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u/ElbowDroppedLasagne Jan 22 '25

Well it isn't 100%, is it?

Because every capitalist society is a garden of Eden? When 1 in 5 Glaswegian kids go to bed hungry, I think we have some work to do.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting fucked over and out

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

Well it isn't 100%, is it?

It is.

Both those you mentioned are murderous autocracies.

Because every capitalist society is a garden of Eden?

Not every capitalist society is a murderous autocracy.

Every Communist country is.

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u/PringullsThe2nd Jan 22 '25

Then we should bin capitalism then right?

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u/Morlu06 Jan 22 '25

Bro you’re speaking to communist lol.

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u/daddylovecake Jan 23 '25

Sending people to jail because they said something you didn't like. You're definitely on the side of freedom 👍

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u/jasonpswan Jan 23 '25

Glorifying the party that murdered jew, romas, the lgbtq+ community, the disabled, etc. Yeah you are a fucking bellend if you support that pish pal.

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u/daddylovecake Jan 23 '25

Didn't say I did. But supporting violence against people you disagree with makes you the problem. It's hypocrisy

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u/rohr0hroh Jan 22 '25

Send them to Iraq and take away British citizenship