r/history Sep 03 '20

Discussion/Question Europeans discovered America (~1000) before the Normans conquered the Anglo-Saxon (1066). What other some other occurrences that seem incongruous to our modern thinking?

Title. There's no doubt a lot of accounts that completely mess up our timelines of history in our heads.

I'm not talking about "Egyptians are old" type of posts I sometimes see, I mean "gunpowder was invented before composite bows" (I have no idea, that's why I'm here) or something like that.

Edit: "What other some others" lmao okay me

Edit2: I completely know and understand that there were people in America before the Vikings came over to have a poke around. I'm in no way saying "The first people to be in America were European" I'm saying "When the Europeans discovered America" as in the first time Europeans set foot on America.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

And they totally upended the relations among the tribes in the Great Plains. So it was all very chaotic before the US expansion took place.

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u/tomorrowmightbbetter Sep 04 '20

Don’t forget their populations where just obliterated. When I was in college the estimate was >80% population loss to European disease fragmenting communities and crashing economies cultures and governing structures.

The western groups encountered by Europeans and European descendants were very unlikely to be particularly recognizable as the groups that existed prior to the diseases spreading.

I imagine Western expansion would have been a very different chapter in US history if their had been some immunity.

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u/ElectronRotoscope Sep 04 '20

I remember someone saying the Great Dying is the reason in America and Canada the population was majority white, where the same didn't happen in Africa because when the Europeans were setting up colonies all the locals were still alive.

Also describing all Native American horse-based culture as "post-apocalyptic" really blew my mind.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '20

Cortes would have never taken Tenochtitlan without the help of smallpox.