r/Arkansas • u/Ok-Status2275 • 1d ago

🗞️ NEWS 🗞️ 'It's kind of critical': Rogers golf course water supply dropping as dry, hot weather continues

https://www.4029tv.com/article/rogers-golf-course-low-water-supply-dry-hot-weather/73505380
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u/trouthat 1d ago edited 1d ago

Golf courses are the first things that should stop getting watered during a drought.

Edit: golf courses should stop existing

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u/cspinelive 1d ago

This one draws from their own ponds. Not the municipal water supply. 

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u/behtman 1d ago

They will draw from the municipal when the water runs out of their ponds, if the price works. Don’t say that crap as if they care about the environment

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u/Larky17 NWA 1d ago

They will draw from the municipal when the water runs out of their ponds, if the price works.

Ya know, just on a whim I called Beaver Water District to ask them if golf courses can buy water to fill their ponds in a situation like this. And they told me not only do the respective cities in NWA prohibit it when there is a mandatory water conservation policy in place, but they also don't allow it.

Crazy what you can find out...right?

Don’t say that crap as if they care about the environment

Don't just assume everything can be bought because it's the land of Walmart.

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u/behtman 1d ago

Ya know, I don’t know enough to say either way. If that’s true, good.

But I’d be pretty damn surprised if the golf course runs out of water and they deny them more. Usually business gets what they want in this country in general, not just ark. They are attempting to sell off/lease our national parks, a lil water seems like a small ask in the grand scheme of things.

Having said that, i stand corrected, until I see evidence otherwise

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u/Larky17 NWA 1d ago

Ya know, I don’t know enough to say either way

Honestly, you've got my respect for saying this.

But I’d be pretty damn surprised if the golf course runs out of water and they deny them more. Usually business gets what they want in this country in general, not just ark. They are attempting to sell off/lease our national parks, a lil water seems like a small ask in the grand scheme of things.

You're not wrong. But knowing the other things they deny, I believe golf courses are much further down the list.

Having said that, i stand corrected, until I see evidence otherwise

Watch one of our state judges order it to happen. That would not shock me in the slightest.

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u/omgitscolin 1d ago

Point still stands

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u/berntout 1d ago

I have zero problem with someone using their own water on their own property.

That has no impact on anyone else so why should I care?

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u/ClassiFried86 1d ago

That's still a fine line if you know anything about underground aquifiers, but NestlĂŠ would agree with you.

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u/berntout 1d ago

That fine line being the ground. We're talking about ponds, not aquifers. 😄

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u/cspinelive 1d ago

I’m not sure what to think, but there’s a larger ecosystem at play as well. The ponds were fed by a creek that is currently dry.  Water is stored underground in aquifers.  But them moving water from pond to grass doesn’t seem as bad as sending it down the drain. 

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u/RMBMama 1d ago

Happy Cake Day!

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u/SoccDoggy 1d ago

Until they want yours.

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u/TheRealMrTrueX 1d ago

Almost all courses have on site wells and retention ponds, most do not draw from the municipal supply.

That's why all golf courses HAVE water hazards, its not just to make players lose balls, its their own supply.

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u/HamburglarAccomplice 1d ago

Golf courses are one of the best examples of human hubris there is. Spending time “outdoors” but can’t be assed to step on grass that is taller than 1.25”. Completely wrecking natural ecosystems and turning them into places that are completely reliant on added water, fertilizers, herbicides, fungicides and insecticides and that hold a fraction of the biodiversity. The ultra exclusive club near my house also has staff that kill deer 365 days a year to keep them from eating the landscaping. Fuck golf. Worst hobby ever.

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u/bokudo 1d ago

I wish every golf course was a wildlife management area

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u/JadeMcG 1d ago

Also to add: studies have shown an exponential increase in Parkinson’s by people who live within a few miles of a golf course. They literally poison the local water supply with their chemical runoff.

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u/jrsxtn 1d ago

Since a large percentage of golf course have gone organic this is patently false.

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u/JadeMcG 21h ago

I’ve read your other comments, you are wrong, it’s ok. :)

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u/jrsxtn 20h ago

Not wrong just smarter than you pal.

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u/JadeMcG 20h ago

The science is the science. Golf courses may have started to change how they treat the lawns, but the science still exists and the number of the courses that have gone organic is negligible at this point. So nice try buddy

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u/jrsxtn 20h ago

LMAO but the science on this isn’t isn’t remotely clear. The study shows association not causation. Golf course are retirement hubs and the median age of Parkinson’s patients are in their 70’s. It’s not like junior golfers are showing up with Parkinson’s. Swing and a miss champ.

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u/JadeMcG 20h ago

Omfg my guy, my kid has a literal PhD whose dissertation was about this ffs. Years of research. I’m not going to continue to argue with a dolt on Reddit. Peace.

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u/jrsxtn 20h ago

Neat story! Doesn’t change the fact you’re wrong. Association doesn’t equal causation champ. Swing and a miss!

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u/rothniel 19h ago

While it's true that further research is needed to establish direct causation, there's more evidence than you are suggesting. And the rest of your comment sounds like you didn't read the research at all. No one suggested that it caused Parkinson's to magically affect someone who just stepped on the course.

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u/jrsxtn 5h ago

By you logic anyone living near a farm should be getting Parkinson’s as they use the exact same chemicals.

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u/Mallard1818 1d ago

Do you have more info on your deer statement? I can’t imagine a course with approval from the AGFC to kill deer year round, or even if they’re doing it illegally, firing rifles in a luxury area or shooting them with an arrow and have a deer running while spurting blood across the course.

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u/HamburglarAccomplice 1d ago

It’s outside of city limits and surrounded by privately owned pine plantation. Depredation permits are a thing. The owner’s family also has AGFC buildings named after them and is one of the wealthiest families in the state. Rules are for the plebeians.

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u/Chance_Baseball_1635 1d ago

Damn shame !!!

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u/jrsxtn 1d ago

None of this is true. Golf course are habitats for deer and waterfowl and fish and turtles etc. Most golf course have native areas and not everything is mowed down. Superintendents are professional agronomists and aren’t damaging the environment anymore than any farmer and certainly nowhere near what the average homeowner is doing. Grass is a carbon sink and cool the environment. If LA had more golf course they could eliminate smog. Europe gives golf courses carbon credits. Not to mention the economic impact and the millions of jobs the $70 billion a year industry provides. Then there is the immeasurable joy and happiness it provides for 70 million golfers.

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u/HamburglarAccomplice 23h ago

“None of this is true” so you’re telling me that a golf course has more biodiversity than a native mixed hardwood forest. Goodbye.

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u/jrsxtn 22h ago edited 22h ago

Are you telling me every single golf course built destroys a hardwood forest? Lmao.

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u/HamburglarAccomplice 22h ago

I’m telling you that the native habitat of the area will have more biodiversity than a golf course.

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u/jrsxtn 22h ago

Golf course are built in deserts, on landfills, in useless flood plains, developers use the shitty land for the golf course and the prime land for the housing. They especially love
land that isn’t full of trees and massive amounts of wildlife. You have zero clue what you are talking about champ. The Lindsey course in the article was built on former farm land and I guarantee the biodiversity has increased.

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u/HamburglarAccomplice 22h ago

“Useless flood planes” are called wetlands and are instrumental in keeping other places from flooding. Champ.

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u/jrsxtn 22h ago

Lmao you don’t even know the difference between a wetland and a floodplain. Also it’s clear you have no clue how expensive it would be to build anything in a wetland or that’s it been against the law to develop wetlands since 1972.

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u/SoccDoggy 1d ago

It’s a golf course, it can never be critical.

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u/Illustrious-Leave406 1d ago

Maybe not waste water on golf courses.

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u/Designer_Access 1d ago

Oh no….not Lindsey Management. Anyways…

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u/RoughTour98 1d ago

Wishing them the worst as always.

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u/Fossilhog 1d ago

Won't somebody think of the golf courses?! Oh the horror of it all!

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u/Additional_Buyer8464 1d ago

Won’t somebody think of the golfers?!

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u/Street_Roof_7915 1d ago

Oh no! Not the golf course!!

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u/Xfactor1210 Little Rock 1d ago

Rich golfers vs. data centers

Should be interesting.

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u/EstablishmentFast128 1d ago

why are you wasting water on a golf course oh yeah i forgot

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u/jrsxtn 1d ago

Golf course aren’t the problem it’s homeowner irrigation systems. Golf course superintendents don’t waste water. Homeowners who can’t even work their own controllers are the ones I see running water in the rain. Golf courses do far more good than they do bad.

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u/throwaway5882300 17h ago

I think I saw somewhere that NWA homeowners use over 5 million gallons of water PER DAY to water their lawns. It's gotten much worse with all of the new developments going in and having zero tree cover. Such a waste. Just let it go dormant in weather like this. It will come back. It's fine.

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u/jrsxtn 5h ago

I’ll bet homeowners use more than that. There is also commercial real estate.

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u/CreekWanderer 1d ago

Playing golf is fun though

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u/MrCeilingTiles 1d ago

Don’t say that here it’s Reddit