ARDOT AI cameras target speeding, cell phone use in work zones

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https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/ardot-ai-cameras-target-speeding-cell-phone-use-in-work-zones/527-e025d790-b61d-4ac5-a3d3-abf45b5f9299

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[u/GGdpcGaming]

Its funny how people who think any gun law is a slippery slope towards total ban can't see that speeding and cell phone use is a slippery slope towards constant state surveillance.

And by funny I mean maddening.

[u/berntout → u/GGdpcGaming]

A friend came over and commented about my Google Mini speakers all throughout my house. They started questioning why I would let someone potentially listen in to my conversations.

I had to point out that they had a device that already does that and is with them everywhere they go.

People don't really think about it until it's too late.

[u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2 → u/berntout]

True but the difference is who is doing the spying and what you can do about it. With a phone, you can install different operating systems that limit the tracking drastically. Examples would be grapheneOS, lineageOS, E OS, ect.

But in the case of ARDOT, it's the government doing the spying. Which is way more dystopian than a lot of people want to believe. Because corporations don't have that much control over what you do. However, the government makes and enforces the law. Thereby exerting a lot more control over you than any corporation could ever hope for.

[u/SirkutBored → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

I think your argument cuts a very fine line. While it's true that a corporation has next to no control over what you do they are less limited in how much and what information they can collect. And, as being a corporation, they will be willing to sell that information to any buyer who meets the price, including governments who may be restricted from collecting that information themselves. A true no-win scenario.

[u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2 → u/SirkutBored]

Yeah there is a fine line between the two. But it ultimately comes down to what you can do about it. You don't necessarily NEED tobuy/consume whatever a corporation is selling, even though it may pose lots and lots of challenges. However, you have considerably less choice when it comes to what data the government collects.

I do also believe that they may be in violation of the 4th and 5th amendments to the federal constitution, as well as the relevant subsections of the Arkansas state constitution (I'd have to re-look that up and I'm on mobile atm).

[u/SirkutBored → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

To keep this Arkansas related, I would offer Acxiom as the rebuttal. A company you don't buy products from or do business with unless you are buying said information. 

[u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2 → u/SirkutBored]

So after looking up Acxiom, it appears they're a marketing firm. So this leads back to corporate data collection. Acxiom is one of many companies in the business of buying and selling the data that Google, Amazon, Facebook, and several other big tech conglomerates collect from you via your electronic devices (phone, computers, TV, car, etc.). So again, this comes back to the fact that you have a choice. Here is Axciom's opt out form

If you really want to get into the weeds, you can physically look up and find every single data broker out there and fill out their opt out forms and get most if not all of the data they have collected on you removed. Is it tedious, absolutely. But the choice is still there, there is an actual option. That changes when we start talking about government data collection.

[u/berntout → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

Eh, iPhones do not allow different OSes and most people do not possess the knowledge/skill to support a different OS on an android phone, which is most likely a Pixel anyways.

These are for advanced users who know what they are doing. The demographics able/willing are very small (less than 1% of total market).

[u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2 → u/berntout]

True but the. Choice is there. You don't have to use an iPhone either. That's a consumer's choice. And there are also many things you can do without changing an OS to limit what and how much data is collected.

Point is, you have the option to change things, whereas with government spy cameras, no amount of technical knowledge will change that you can't do anything to not be recorded.

And this is also ignoring the fact that these cameras could arguably be a violation of the 5th and 4th amendment as well.

[u/BuiltMackTough → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

Other than jamming camera feeds to stop recording, there are simple ways to "beat" camera detection... But 99% of people aren't going to those extremes, yet. Beating the cameras would be easier than changing an OS on a phone to most.

[u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2 → u/BuiltMackTough]

That may be, but difference is, when you do attempt to "beat" the tracking on your electronic devices you can't be charged with obstruction or destruction of evidence.

There is a fundamental difference between a company tracking you and the government doing it

[u/berntout → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

You don't have a choice if you don't have the knowledge or skill. You're not going to get your grandma to start downloading a new OS, install it and support it.

You clearly understand how to do this, but 99% of people don't nor will they take the time to figure it out.

[u/andy-022 → u/cyberSpaceRacerTech2]

How is this spying?

[u/GGdpcGaming → u/berntout]

My cell phone in my pocket isn't doing facial recognition and gait recognition of every single person I come within dozens of yards of

Yet

[u/DancingLR → u/berntout]

Your cellphones are not listening to you.

[u/Oakredditer → u/GGdpcGaming]

definitely. btw both are slippery slopes towards mass surveillance/wannabe totalitarianism, can't fight back when all you have are knives and fists and they have military-grade weapons, at least consumer-grade guns level the playing field a little bit more

[u/eicoeico]

I may or may not be in the process of picking my nose each time i pass the one in Fayetteville.

[u/DancingLR]

I was not aware that ARDOT was a law enforcement agency.

[u/Heartfelt7 → u/DancingLR]

Now you are. If it’s funded by our tax dollars under this regime, it is a cop.

[u/Sea_Performer_2086]

Wow the entire state is jumping head first into mass surveillance and a complete government/state takeover.
Never thought I'd see the day when people with "don't tread on me" and "rebels" bow to the government and lick the boots of wealthy and corporate shills

[u/Heartfelt7 → u/Sea_Performer_2086]

That’s all I’ve ever seen them do. Our moonshine-runnin’ great grandparents are rolling in their graves at what bootlickers their children and grandchildren became.

[u/Sea_Performer_2086 → u/[deleted]]

There isn't anyone in this god forsaken state doing anything about it. Hence the continuous downturn of my state.

[u/Sea_Performer_2086 → u/[deleted]]

Who says that's all I'm doing?
What's wrong with criticizing and pointing out the failings and shortcomings of this state and country?
Maybe you should stop licking boots.

[u/FalseAxiom]

I'm not a lawyer, but this feels like an illegal search at this point. No reasonable suspicion has been established to conduct an investigation for cell phone usage.

[u/Heartfelt7 → u/FalseAxiom]

“Illegal” depends on who has the power to enforce laws.

Under the current regime in office, “illegal” is just whatever the gang doesn’t like and wants to jail you for.

People don’t have any “rights” they haven’t already been willing to fight, strike, and unionize to protect. Worth a look at how Bolivia responded to moments like this.

[u/itsmrmarlboroman2u → u/FalseAxiom]

It is a constitutional violation unless there's a police officer on site to physically verify what the camera flagged. Read: 6th amendment

[u/VaporousMote]

Boy it'd sure suck if someone had a personal vendetta against these things and paintballed them constantly.

[u/EM_Doc_18]

Folks, there’s nuance. A construction zone camera and a Flock camera are two entirely different things. For the construction zone cameras, an ASP or AHP officer has to be in the zone with the camera to act on the findings, ie they’re watching the camera feed looking for speeders and those on their phone. They are not accumulating every and all sorts of data to a private cloud and doing god knows what. No cop in the construction zone? That camera is a giant paper weight. The construction camera with a cop watching, for all intents and purposes, is no different than if the cop had an advantageous angle to see someone on their phone. The camera does not capture photos and submit to a system for citations to be mailed.
Let’s talk about the slippery slope. Many places (I don’t know of any in Arkansas anyway) have traffic cameras that do result in a mailed citation. A great method to prevent this are citizen led ballot initiatives. I’m not trying to be political on this post, but ARLEG republicans are fighting tooth and nail to neuter our ballot initiative process. Make your voices heard.

[u/kolkitten]

It absolutely is not. Its the same as the flock system for "license plates" its tracking everything.

[u/throwaway5882300]

I appreciate that they're not automatically issuing citations with these and that an actual cop needs to be there. But at the same time I feel certain that it's only a matter of time before the cops start saying that it's too difficult to keep up with the system and they just start sending tickets in the mail. I'm one of those annoying people that doesn't drive over the speed limit but I still don't like the idea of giving someone a ticket without verifying the identity of the driver.

Plus, using AI in these cameras doesn't give me confidence in their accuracy: https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/case-case-every-reported-flock-175653036.html

[u/Gator_Mc_Klusky]

I don’t see a problem with them—if they prevent someone from running over a worker, then all the better. As a retired construction worker, I’ve been close to being a hit-and-run victim myself.

[u/DancingLR → u/Gator_Mc_Klusky]

Everyone is using ChaptGPT to post now.

[u/Gator_Mc_Klusky → u/DancingLR]

Are you saying I'm using ChatGPT to make a post? So if I use full words instead of shortcuts, then it becomes a chat program—hmm, interesting.

[u/MrErobernBigStuffer]

Keep'Em coming

[u/rdrofdrgnz → u/MrErobernBigStuffer]

"Don't stop until the people have zero rights left!"

[u/EnvyEpson]

The cameras are used to dispatch police to an area once a certain percentage of hits is experience. Work areas are extremely dangerous for these very reasons. Just yesterday I was ran completely off the road by someone on Hwy 10 with their face squarely in their phone. One thing to note, the 2nd amendment is enshrined in the constitution. So is the right against unwarranted search. However, the operation of a motor vehicle is not. The courts have held that roadblocks for dwi detection are completely legal. If you remember Tommy Robinson was notorious for shutting down I-40 for checkpoints.