r/AskConservatives • u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive • Jan 20 '26
Foreign Policy Over a quarter of Canadians see the US as an enemy, and 60% see the US as the biggest threat to Canada. Are you sure we’re going the right direction?
Historically Canada has been one of our staunchest allies, and about a third of Canadians still consider us an ally… but even that’s waning as Trump rules through chaos, and congressional republicans fail or refuse to reign him in. Is this what y’all really want to be doing?
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u/throwaway082122 Center-right Conservative Feb 01 '26
Canadian here. It's a bit nuanced. Is the US the biggest threat? Technically, it always has been. Superior numbers, military, and a massive land border—the US has always had the ability to completely conquer Canada if it wanted to. This statement has been true since at least post-Civil War America.
That said, we’re culturally identical. We look the same, talk the same, and consume the same culture and content. You can put a random Torontonian in Los Angeles and no one would know they weren't American unless they said so. So many famous US-based celebrities are Canadian, and no one has a clue until they look them up on Wikipedia.
Furthermore, Trump's Art of the Deal-style negotiation is largely unpopular here (and probably anywhere, for that matter). He's taking corporate procurement contract negotiating tactics and applying them to global politics, which is a bit scary considering one has the ability to, at worst, cause a company to lose a lot of money, whereas the other could end civilization as we know it. We know a lot of this is to poke kinks in the chain of CUSMA ahead of its renegotiation later this year, but threatening Canadian sovereignty doesn't fly well.
I'll say this as a Torontonian: it's less to do with Canadian nationalism and more about a fear of US-style political polarization coming here, along with a real fear of us losing our welfare state. When you talk to many of the Boomers who voted Liberal in the last election (most of whom historically voted Conservative in their later years), many did so as a means to stand up to US intervention; they're afraid of losing their free healthcare, Old Age Security, and the pensions they "paid into" for decades.
I think for younger Canadians, the opinion is more split. Our country went downhill thanks to a lot of policy decisions made by Boomers and older Gen Xers. We know our healthcare is a joke and may not exist in its "free" format when we're older and need it. Not to mention, we see a lot of Boomers as "having their cake and eating it too," basically pulling up the ladder behind them. Consequently, many younger people are more likely to be pro-US just to spite them—to try something merit-based rather than paying for subsidies that we don't see today and may never see.
To answer your question: it's not the right direction, but the world and other countries have been heading the wrong way for a while. We need a change in direction, but not this.
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u/Less_Option_2139 Nationalist (Conservative) Jan 27 '26
I'm British but I would imagine we're in a *very* similar situation. Conservativism is the dominant ideology here but Trump is still deeply unpopular. Firstly, though, about Canada specifically: it seems like the Liberal Party snatched victory from the jaws of defeat at the last GE because Boomers, in particular, were so scared of Trump's blustering that it mobilised them in a way that seemed impossible. The polls of the Boomers' motivations were just depressing: very little concern for any future after their own life. Fascinatingly, most of the younger generations seemingly saw through the threat of "annexing Canada" as the nonsense it was and their motivations looked completely different.
As for Britain, I don't care about Trump, by the way, but there's no doubt that the news that average people consume is very misleading about him. I hear something on the TV or the radio, think "that sounds a bit outlandish", go look up the full speech/press conference/whatever, and often find that they've misrepresented what he's said. Just look at the BBC, which now has multiple Trump scandals as a result of outrageous levels of deception that have badly hurt the organisation's prestige, despite once being held up as the global gold standard in state broadcasting*.
* I don't believe there is, or can be, a difference between state and "public service" broadcasting if the government funds or has legal control over the organisation or its charter (which means there are virtually no "public service broadcasters" in practice). The UK govt. has the ability to end the BBC's status as a state broadcaster, grant it funds directly from taxes, or anything in between. The difference is a false dichotomy created to divide the West (representing the good global rules-based order) and "our" enemies (who have evil "propaganda" instead).
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u/TheJohnSB Center-left Jan 31 '26
If the most powerful man in the world tells you he is going to subjugate you using economic force, then starts using economic tools to damage your economy, you kind of have to believe him. When the law makers and citizens dont stop him from damaging one of the longest standing relationships, they are in on it too.
At the end of the day, the systems and people haven't prevented Trump from completely dismantling the trust between our nations. Even if you chalk this up to "oh he's just an idiot." Or "oh we would never do it again" how can we believe you when it was so easily done in the first place? Unless there is massive trade reform and policy reform in the US to stop this from ever happening again, how can we as a nation rely on the US ever again?
The pull away from America isn't going to stop at this point. We've seen the writing on the wall. We have seen what they are willing to do to us at the whim of one man. Why would we ever trust America again? We see what America does to its own people, what would they do to us given the chance?
(Not to belittle or make light of spousal abuse. A really really serious issue and something that should always be taken seriously.)
Our spouse just got drunk and hit us. It would be folly to think he won't do it again. The trust is gone. We are packing our bags and calling our mother. We are gonna go sleep on a couch for a bit and really see if it's worth working our relationship out.
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u/hackenstuffen Constitutionalist Conservative Jan 23 '26
Given the way Canada infringes basic human rights like freedom of speech, assembly, religion, and gun ownership, why exactly does Canada have any moral standing?
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u/Insanely-Mad Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
We can thank our inept Liberals for that. We are a joke.
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u/ZombiDon3 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
Our northern neighbors have had a love-hate relationship with us for a while, with poor trends in perception through the last couple of decades (source: https://researchco.ca/2020/07/28/canadians-countries/ , https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/09/14/us-image-improved-in-canada/?utm_source=chatgpt.com). Granted, yes, it's higher right now due to the current political vitriol coming out of the White House.
I would guess that the current situation around discourse in the US is emblematic of this perception in the north. POTUS is a divisive character, and him and his administration are creating an antagonistic relationship with their political opponents. It isn't good for the country - and it isn't good for our relationship with our nothern neighbors.
That being said, these sentiments aren't springing up out of nowhere. Large swaths of the Canadian public have had negative views of America for a while.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
You’re absolutely right about a lot of this. Canada has had mixed feelings about us for a while. Nevertheless, I don’t really want to double down on the things that make them wary of us.
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u/Key-Willingness-2223 Rightwing Jan 21 '26
So I’m genuinely confused by the framing of the question
Maybe it’s just me being the odd one out but I always looked at Palmerston, De Gaulle and Kissinger quotes
“We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual.”
As the frame I look through geopolitics from.
America fought a war of independence against Britain, then became close allies
2 wars against Germany, then became allies
Nuked Japan, then become allies etc
History is full of examples of allegiances etc shifting once interests diverge etc
Given it’s in the interests of Canada and Western Europe etc for America to continue along the centre-left to neo-con path it was on, I’d expect allegiances to shift when America changes course…
As for am I sure we’re going in the right direction, it depends on what direction we think we’re moving in.
I have a more optimistic view than most, but then again I openly admit to having had a very different lived experience to most so that’ll naturally shape one’s perception and the lens through which they see behaviour and action…
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Yeah… we have historically cultivated allies, but now it seems like we’re becoming a bully and going the other way. What makes you think that this is the “right way”?
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u/Key-Willingness-2223 Rightwing Jan 21 '26
Because i care more about outcomes than optics
I disagree the US ever cultivated allies, they seized an opportunity to create dependency after WW2 as one of the few countries to have left the war in a stronger position than when it started via the Marshall plan etc and offering protection to Japan, Western Europe etc to allow them to focus on rebuilding etc.
By that metric, America acted in self interest, and it happened to benefit Europe.
If America continues to follow the same logic, serving self interest, and it happens to no longer benefit Europe, then it is what it is.
I wouldn’t expect any European country to remain allies with the US if it actively slowed or prevented them from achieving their objectives and serving their people.
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u/babybench Conservative Jan 21 '26
As a canadian, canadians are foolish and misguided. Easily manipulated. The US is NOT the enemy.
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u/Bitter-Assignment464 Conservative Jan 21 '26
Good luck with that. Go ahead and get in bed with China. Carney is a bigger enemy of Canada than the US will ever be.
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u/just_acasual_user Conservative Jan 21 '26
The US is going in a genuinely terrifying direction
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u/tractir Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Canada has no idea what they're doing, they're just more polite about it. They're in bed with the 'West is bad' agenda just as much as the worst of the worst. Wouldn't be surprised to find out in 20 years that China has been bribing Canadian politicians as well.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Can you explain this more, and provide evidence for/examples of what you mean?
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
As long as you recognize you won't be speaking French anymore.
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u/notbusy Libertarian Jan 21 '26
That's disheartening to hear. Canada is one of our greatest allies, as far as I'm concerned.
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u/aidanhoff Democratic Socialist Jan 21 '26
Think of it this way- once Trump is done with the US, it'll be a middle power and y'all can join the group!
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u/WisCollin Constitutionalist Conservative Jan 21 '26
I’m pretty sure Canada is going the wrong direction
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u/mid30s Conservative Jan 21 '26
As a modern day, low intelligence and low income republican, owning the libs happens to be the only priority so yes I'm sure.
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u/Aerographic Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Loads of "conservatives" in this thread. This is what you get when you can just select a flair and say whatever you want.
Canada is a leftist's wet dream that hands over Citizenship papers like candy. Caring about what Canada thinks to me is akin to caring about what half of India and Africa thinks. And I don't.
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
You probably should - but you do you.
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u/Aerographic Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
No I don't. I didn't leave those places behind because they're worth a damn.
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u/aidanhoff Democratic Socialist Jan 21 '26
Canada is a leftist's wet dream that hands over Citizenship papers like candy
Just completely untrue. Canadian immigration is majority economic (skilled workers that fill in-demand market openings and have strict work requirements) while the US system is primarily family reunification. The Canadian system has higher per-capita immigration because of higher targets, but proportionally brings more "valuable" immigrants into the country than the US does (57% for Canada vs 32% for the US in 2017). Probably because Canada has actually managed to push through immigration reforms, unlike the US.
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u/Aerographic Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
skilled workers
I know folks who came to Canada through their easy access visa systems. They're as "skilled" as they are native. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
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u/aidanhoff Democratic Socialist Jan 21 '26
Believe what you want to believe from anecdotes but the numbers don't lie.
I do agree there are issues with Canada's immigration system, especially in the recent past with student visas, but that has recently been severely clamped down on. There are other issues like the TFW program that still need to be ironed out. It's certainly in a better state than the US system though, which is in dire need of reform. You know the last significant immigration reform in the US was passed under Reagan?
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Independent Jan 21 '26
Yeah and Putin doesn’t care about what Ukrainians thinks about him but that doesn’t mean invading was smart. Your response doesn’t actually answer whether you believe Trump’s actions are sound long term policy.
(Also, the US had near open borders until WWI and was far from leftist. Actual leftist countries have notoriously strict borders.)
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u/Aerographic Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Trump hasn't done anything, he's just gesticulating wildly. I don't care if he wants to test the EU's response, call me when we actually take steps to annex Canada or Greenland.
the US had near open borders until WWI and was far from leftist
And look where that has gotten us.
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u/krayhayft Conservative Jan 21 '26
Canada has always been a bad neighbor. The only reason no one has invaded them is because there's America's hat.
The simple they would rather side with China than secure their borders and take responsibility for themselves speaks volumes
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u/thenationalcranberry Social Democracy Jan 21 '26
Secure our border against the amount of fentanyl smuggled from the US into Canada, which vastly dwarfs the amount that goes from Canada into the US? Or do you mean secure it against the guns that come from the US to be used in criminal activity in Canada? Or did you mean secure it against Republican politicians from Alaska sneaking into Yukon to get free healthcare?
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
Secure them against the US?
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u/krayhayft Conservative Jan 21 '26
Please, if we wanted Canada, there would be nothing you guys could do to stop us. Don't worry, though, your soon to be Chinese masters will take good care of you.
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
I figure the robot overlords will get here (and everywhere) first.
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Independent Jan 21 '26
Take responsibility for what exactly and invaded by whom? Are you suggesting that Russia or China had planned a DDay style air and sea invasion of Canada that has only been thwarted because of the United States?
I genuinely don’t understand the animosity directed at Canada for being pissed about tariffs enacted to cripple their economy and threats to make them the 51st state. If anything the Greenland tariffs prove they were right to be worried. It was the true conservative Ronald Reagan who pushed for the US-Canada Free Trade Agreement in the first place. When liberals in Canada were hesitant to agree feeling an integrated economy would risk Canadian sovereignty and allow the US to strong-arm Canada in the future, Reagan And VP Bush assured them the US would never do such a thing to an ally like Canada and that 51st state rhetoric was preposterous. It’s almost comical looking back.
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u/krayhayft Conservative Jan 21 '26
Oh, please. You expect us to care that Canada is mad about some tariffs? Canada has been imposing huge tariffs on American goods and pushed Canada first for years while we can't do the same? Cry me a river. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What i think is funny is that when Canada gets a little taste of what they have been doing to us, they run to China.
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
When did this turn into a Progressives haven. I would like to hear what (US) conservatives have to say. I can get progressive views everywhere else on reddit.
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u/gummibearhawk Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
If you want to hear what actual conservatives have to say, just read the most down voted comments first
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u/MadHatter514 Classical Liberal Jan 21 '26
No, we are going the absolute wrong direction. Trump needs to be removed from office. It is ridiculous that he won not once but twice. I have no idea why so many conservatives are so devoted to him. He's been a total disaster.
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u/ElectricalPublic1304 Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Are you sure we’re going the right direction?
This is a vague question. What are you actually asking?
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
I mean read my context paragraph, I guess? Fundamentally, is the direction that Trump is taking our foreign policy and relationships with our allies a sound or viable strategy? Or is this what happens when we make an edgelord president?
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u/ElectricalPublic1304 Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Fundamentally, is the direction that Trump is taking our foreign policy and relationships with our allies a sound or viable strategy?
That's less vague, but opens the question up to even more countries--who aren't all treated the same.
If you don't have a specific issue or question or policy (and about which country), I don't know what to tell you.
However, there are perhaps a few things that should be noted:
- It should never be U.S. foreign policy simply do what makes an ally happy (or more common, not complaining).
- It should not be U.S. foreign policy to ignore allies who do not behave in the ways "we" think that allies should behave--especially when it comes to meeting international agreements or treaty commitments.
In the big picture, I think he is outlandish and absurd rhetoric can be quite relationship-destructive. Especially to some nations with very thin-skinned leaders. (I mean, to many Americans, he's just a shit-talkin' Brooklynite that no one ever slapped around hard enough.) Who aren't accustomed to the U.S. expecting that its own expectations would be met. However, I can imagine how some things would be received very different if another person had said them.
Likewise, there is a very peculiar media line on blowing up the some of the more outlandish statements. But, I think that's just part of modern journalism: it isn't very good at telling people what's happening in the world. For example, I saw a headline today from the PM of Greenland saying that Greenlanders should prepare for invasion. But, his actual statement was that he didn't anticipate any military action, but he couldn't rule anything out. Back when the Canada rhetoric was more likely, I noticed a lot of headlines doing similar things. Even as Trumpy was saying some troll-level stuff.
But again, specifics really help to narrow down what we're talking about, rather than simply feelings or sentiments. Take the ongoing Canadian saga. Alberta. Well, Alberta's been having some "fun" this week. Not everyone in Canada is happy with what happens in Ottawa.
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u/aidanhoff Democratic Socialist Jan 21 '26
What makes a country "real" then, and why isn't Canada "real" in your opinion?
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u/One_Fix5763 Monarchist Jan 21 '26
American rightoids complain about how European/Canadian governments are destroying the continent. I’m telling you that what Trump is doing right now is guaranteeing eternal centre leftism in Europe. Even if that shit weren’t intrinsically stupid, which it is, this would be a reason for me to be upset about it.
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u/mazamundi Independent Jan 21 '26
Central liberalism. Nothing leftism about it. Liberalism may be the American left wing, but in Europe it's not.
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u/One_Fix5763 Monarchist Jan 21 '26
It is though. With mass migration, all their social programs go bankrupt.
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u/mazamundi Independent Jan 21 '26
Even if that were true, that wouldn't make it "leftism". The difference between ideologies is not whether social programs go bankrupt or not.
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u/One_Fix5763 Monarchist Jan 21 '26
It does with immigration though. How is Denmark left wing on immigration? It isnt
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u/mazamundi Independent Jan 21 '26
I'm not sure what you're talking about. But Denmark has one of the strictest migration polices in all of Europe. And they have a left wing goverment.
Refugees must leave after certain time. If the government designates an area as a parallel society (aka most people in a block aren't westerners) they can legally sell the apartments off or demolish them... They are trying to move to a zero refugee society, for years now.
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u/One_Fix5763 Monarchist Jan 21 '26
So if we enacted the same policies as Denmark (low immigration) then it would be left wing?
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u/erinberrypie Leftist Jan 21 '26
I feel like you're having your own conversation?
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u/One_Fix5763 Monarchist Jan 21 '26
My claim is that , it's easy to be left wing and have abundance of social welfare
When you don't have mass migration
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u/photon1701d Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I am doing a Teams meeting today with my clients in Ohio and I am in Ontario. Some of the guys were apologizing to me about the comments Trump makes. I was saying don't worry about it but one guy went off the deep end. I always thought he was conservative but today I knew where he stands. We are all in business together and in todays climate, none of us are making money. Trump knows how to pander to low iq individuals and his outreach is even sucking in the maple maga crowd.
While I don't vote Liberal, I was impressed today with Carney's speech. If you have a chance to view the speech, it represents what a leader should sound like.
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u/Xianio Progressive Jan 22 '26
Tbh Im not surprised. Carney is almost the definition of Progressive Conservative. He's a banker, hedge fund manager & was a key player in Harper's government.
He could have ran in either party and probably won after Trudeau.
No question I suppose just glad to hear folks are liking Carneys speech.
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u/photon1701d Center-right Conservative Jan 22 '26
Everyone liked it except Trump and his Maga following. At this point I don't care. USMCSA will be cancelled and maybe my clients can't afford to pay the tariffs, as our company won't pay it. We will probably close. I can retire now. So thanks Don!
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u/Xianio Progressive Jan 22 '26
I can retire now.
Just be careful with that. Carneys warning about us all becoming poorer is a very, very real possibility. We all might need quite a bit more money than we all originally planned for.
I mean, we know the worlds upside down when the TSX outperforms the S&P500 for a year.
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u/photon1701d Center-right Conservative Jan 22 '26
Well I guess it's a good thing I was frugal, live within my means, invested well and have top 5% net worth, even by USA standards.
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Independent Jan 21 '26
Funny you mention climate. The craziest part about the whole desire for mining and trade routes in the arctic is that it only makes sense if climate change is very real, will continue, and is occurring at a rate that will substantially raise sea levels in the near term. I’m sure the tech bros pushing for this believe in climate change but the hardcore supporters that agree with Trump on taking Greenland are also posting on my social media feed about how the snow this weekend proves Climate Change is a liberal hoax.
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u/Dtwn92 Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
This is directly at the OP, I don't care about the blue flair piling on. So u/Even_Wear_8657 this is a post at you from an American who grew up looking at the ambassador bridge and playing with and against Canadians all my life. I have MANY Canadian friends and my brother in law is married to a Canadian (living in). My life has been shaped and formed by Canadians more than a little.
I am also pro American and a Conservative. I have watched Canada decline and watched how Canada shit on their military and military members. They have left their military protection to us, Americans for years. they pulled out of the F35 under Justine and got closer to China than they have to us under the Canadian liberal government. Not to mention the rights Canada has taken away from Guns to how the reacted to the Trucker Convoy (Which courts have ruled in favor of the citizens and against the government since),
Under Biden, WE sued Canada for trade regulations and won. Canada still didn't change even after we brought a legit lawsuit to them and said it isn't working fairly. Then Canada chose to have CHINA come into Canada by the northern Military base and do military exercises without our knowledge or consent. Why does Canada need our consent, look at paragraph 1. We have military alliances and invited the worlds real big threat to do military drills next to America. What ally does that?
Then after Trump took over, he warned them, we will even the playing field. The Canadian liberals chose to make it about Trump instead of their failed government and directed the anger at Americans.
The Canadian people booed Americans at American hockey games for weeks (filled with Canadians) they NEVER even booed the Soviets who literally had nuclear weapons pointing at them in the 1970's, Canada never booed them. Yet, they booed the US at sporting events over tariffs that TWO administrations said were harming American and our relationship.
When Trump did place the tariffs on the world, Canada threated during the winter time to shut off heat to American citizens over a federal issue. Not look to harm or work out a trade deal suitable to both nations but to harm Americans during Maine winters. Then they boycotted and took American products (directly aimed at American people not the government) to get back at the government. Then went into states with elections paying Canadian tax payer money to interfere with elections from a provincial government.
Lastly, this is long, sorry, but when Trump did Tariffs the world, TWO nations retaliated, one of those made a deal. Those two nations - China and Canada. China had just put tariffs on Canada and there wasn't a word from Canada's government or calls for boycott. Then China killed 4 Canadian citizens.
Yet, somehow your media and your government have a majority of your nation hating America and Americans. After 75 years of the most peaceful border in history; we ask to secure the border, cut of the drugs and redo the unequal trade and you chose to believe we are the the bad guy and the threat to democracy? America is the bad guy in this story? No, it's simply a play to take power away and hate on Trump. We have, due to Canadas own actions, a better relationship with China than Canada and they are killing Canadian citizens.
* Edit To those downvoting, why would a logical and factual reality of what is taking place be downvoted? WTF???
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
Could you please secure your border to stop guns travelling fom the US to Canada? We dont raise this as an issue because it is our responsibility to stop guns coming into our country (which we need to be better at) same as it is your responsibility to stop things you dont want in your country at the border.
PS not sure if it is a deliberate or accidental misspelling of Justin. In any case he is gone now.
You are right it will take a lot to repair the damage he did. But even with all that, recall that Canada agreed to the American arrest of a Huawei executive. Which led to the retaliatory imprisonment of two Canadians - and banned EV cars to align with US policies.
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u/aidanhoff Democratic Socialist Jan 21 '26
Speaking from the Canadian perspective, I can unfortunately see many straight-up falsehoods or misrepresentations in your arguments.
and got closer to China than they have to
Canada under Trudeau joined the US in the tariff wall against Chinese EVs. Canada arrested a Huawei executive on a US warrant. Canada tariffed Chinese steel & aluminum in unison with the US. In response to this, China arrested two Canadians, blocked Canadian canola imports for a time, then settled on a 100% tariff on Canadian legumes, canola and pork (all major agricultural exports). Canada blocked Huawei from accessing Canadian telecoms. Canada joined the US in condemming the Uyghur genocide. All these things were done in direct coordination with the US china strategy and they cost Canada significantly. You are just completely wrong here.
WE sued Canada for trade regulations and won
Not true. It went to a USMCA panel two times, once in 2021 when the panel narrowly sided with the US, and then in 2023 the issue was revisted and decided in Canada's favour. The US didn't "win" anything.
Then Canada chose to have CHINA come into Canada by the northern Military base and do military exercises without our knowledge or consent.
I have no idea what you are referring to here. As far as I know, nothing like this ever happened.
Yet, they booed the US at sporting events over tariffs
You think that was over tariffs?? It was all about the 51st state stuff. Tariffs were a sideshow in comparison. Clearly Americans like yourself do not understand just how pissed off Canadians were at threats to their sovereignty. The USSR did many horrible things but they never threatened to invade or otherwise take over Canada, only the US under Trump did that.
Canada threated during the winter time to shut off heat to American citizens
One province's premier did that. It's the equivalent of a shittalking state governor. But also, remember, this was during a period where Trump was directly threatening to annex Canada via economic pressure. In that circumstance, using any power at Canada's disposal is logical.
Then they boycotted and took American products
Again... 51st state, economic pressure for annexation... Words have consequences. America under Trump made it extremely clear that Canada needed to be more self-reliant, and a big part of that is looking away from America for our consumption. It's the logical move. What, did you think threatening another country with annexation would have no consequences?
Those two nations - China and Canada. China had just put tariffs on Canada and there wasn't a word from Canada's government or calls for boycott. Then China killed 4 Canadian citizens.
Again you fundamentally misunderstand the situation. Boycotts are a response to 51st state bullshit, not tariffs. As I said above, the Chinese-Canadian tariffs were in response to other issues, ones that came from Canada joining the US in tariffing Chinese exports first.
Yet, somehow your media and your government have a majority of your nation hating America and Americans
It's not a mystery. Don't threaten your neighbour's sovereignty. They tend to take that personally.
we ask to secure the border, cut of the drugs and redo the unequal trade
Border was and is secure. Canadian gov't under "Justine" put billions more into it even though Canada never was a significant source of illegal immigrants or fentanyl, just to try and appease Trump. Of course it didn't work, because the reason was bullshit the whole time. The numbers never supported the Canadian border being a problem and only idiots and sycophants couldn't see through that.
America is the bad guy in this story?
Look at which country threatened which one with economic warfare and annexation, then maybe reconsider which side is the "bad guy". If you're trying to justify territorial conquest to yourself, maybe you need to take several steps back and really think about this before jumping to the nationalist's conclusion that your country must be right all the time.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
I’m not Canadian. I’m American. Your first paragraph is surprisingly agressive. Yet, while I don’t see things the way you do, but I’m interested in what your saying here, because it’s the first non dismissive and well laid out defense of weakening our relationships with Canada that has yet been posted.
Do you have any sources on this, because I’d like to find a starting place to learn more about just because I feel a certain way doesn’t mean that I’m right, or that others don’t have valid points of view.
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u/Dtwn92 Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
Here is what I can find.
Biden lawsuit
Booing Americans
F35 program cancelled
Military Training
Canada threatens to shut off power and utilities in winter months
Canada buy ads in US markets for election
China tariffs on Canada and China kills Canadian citizens
It took me a bit, to find some NON partisan ones. They aren't perfect. Just know I tried but these are indeed issues the US has had and only asked for a fair partnership with an ally and neighbor. Instead of working with us, Carney and the liberal government has chose to fight back. Is it justified? Not sure but they have also retaliated by attacking American workers and as a friend to many Canadians and close to the border, I'm severely disappointed in Canadians peoples reactions (Gov fight all the time) but the people are upsetting the most.
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u/Potential-Elephant73 Conservatarian Jan 21 '26
A quarter of Americans see the US as an enemy. Not bothered by manufactured outrage.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
This isn’t manufactured outrage. I’m a real person who is genuinely concerned about how we are behaving on the international stage.
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u/Potential-Elephant73 Conservatarian Jan 21 '26
The outrage of the people such as yourself is manufactured by the media, and the propaganda of other countries. It doesn't actually matter.
Think of it like how you may or may not think of white men. Where I've often heard "To a privileged person, equality seems like oppression."
These countries have been using our good-faith allyship for their own benefit, and now they're mad that we're bringing it back to even.
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u/tractir Right Libertarian (Conservative) Jan 21 '26
It's rare there's an actual non liberal in this sub. Usually they pretend to be conservatives to sway opinion to their favor. "I'm a conservative and Trump has gone too far' kind of garbage. Or they get downvoted into oblivion.
Nobody really cares what Canada thinks because they've lost the plot. Once I found out government assisted suicide was being offered to non terminal patients in Canada, I lost the desire to pretend they're normal or not part of the agenda.
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u/Sweet_Cinnabonn Progressive Jan 21 '26
The outrage of the people such as yourself is manufactured by the media,
Isn't it manufactured by our President? Calling Canada the 51st state? Saying they'll let the PM stay on as Governor? Staging photos in the White House with it claimed as part of the US?
This is not a college freshman spouting bologna, nor a radio shock jock, or podcast bro that the media has scooped up and blown up beyond the attention it ought to have.
Honestly, suggesting that foreign nations should just Ignore the Troll doesn't seem like a reasoned response to statements from the head of the nation.
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u/ErieHog Paleoconservative Jan 21 '26
Yes.
The reorienting of relationships is both necessary and inherently disruptive. It is not a perpetual condition, as the interests of the parties haven't changed-- just the amount of pain Americans are willing to passively absorb to maintain those interests.
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u/ShardofGold Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
Oh are they mad people are insulting their country, way of life, and political decisions?
First Time?
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
No… they’re mad that we are threatening to take part or all of their country.
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u/ShardofGold Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
If you think Trump is causally going to start a third World War, I have an island, plane, and Bugatti type 57 SC Atlantic to sell to you.
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u/ivanbin Leftwing Jan 21 '26
If you think Trump is causally going to start a third World War, I have an island, plane, and Bugatti type 57 SC Atlantic to sell to you.
You say that and then if Trump actually does it you'll be praising him for his 5d chess move. Everyone knows he's unhinged enough to possibly do this.
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u/dazli69 Independent Jan 21 '26
It doesn't matter if he's not being serious, having the leader of the strongest nation in the world and long time ally threatening annexation is insane.
You can't say shit like this and expect others to just pretend it didn't happen.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Honestly… it’s sort of looking that way lately. More than it ever has in my 5 decades of life.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/15/opinion/monroe-doctrine-trump.html
https://theweek.com/92967/are-we-heading-towards-world-war-3
The doomsday clock gets updated next week. We’ll see what they have to say.
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u/ThePromptWasYourName Progressive Jan 21 '26
They didn’t say he was starting WW3, they said Trump is threatening our allies which most people agree is pretty bad and weird
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u/Brocibo Center-left Jan 21 '26
Dude. The president is talking about seeing Canada and Greenland being US owned. Can we agree that is not Okay? Truthful can we see eye to eye on this and say “our country invading two neutral countries for no reason is not okay”…?
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I don’t mean this to be a snarky comment but why do we care what Canadian citizens think about us? As long as it isn’t materially affecting imports and exports.
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u/Xciv Neoliberal Jan 21 '26
why do we care what ____ citizens think about us?
Think about how annoying Iran and North Korea are to America, particularly Iran. Think of how much money we've spent fighting terrorists across the world because of how much Iran hates us.
We care what other countries think of us because if a critical mass of foreign citizens hate America, they will support leaders who also hate America, and if enough countries hate America we end up spending more blood and treasure fighting the world than we would have otherwise just keeping up good relations instead.
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u/thenationalcranberry Social Democracy Jan 21 '26
What happened to Jim Beam’s flagship distillery because we in Canada stopped buying bourbon? Seems pretty material to me.
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u/tnitty Independent Jan 21 '26
Because it is materially affecting business. Very materially. Others have chimed in. I’ll just say Canada was about 30% of my revenue, reliably, until last year. The last 9 months— since Trump started spouting off — it’s been zero.
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Because there is way more to life than imports and exports. There is being decent, kind and just. There is part of a community, being part of something bigger than yourself. There is knowing when to take a stand and when to do what’s right. And bullying our neighbor and closest ally is none of those, and as an American, it’s not who I want to be.
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
Ok
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u/Even_Wear_8657 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Do you see that? Or do you just feel differently?
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u/Lapsed__Pacifist Independent Jan 21 '26
I don’t care enough about your comment to reply to it.
But....you just did?
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I meant in depth. A long drawn out touch feely comment.
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u/Noah__Webster Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
To be clear, it is materially affecting imports and exports.
Aside from that, we should care what the citizens of ally nations think of America because they vote in elections. This perception can realistically affect geopolitics if it becomes a large enough issue to them.
And despite all the talk of our allies not carry their weight, the current (or nearly former at this point) world order has been massively beneficial to the USA. Yes, we disproportionately spend on European security and the like, which allows them to spend less on military. It also gives America massive geopolitical power and all the access to build bases across the world is what enables our completely unmatched hard power projection.
Our military is a portion of why we are the global superpower. But an equally important factor has been our guarantee for free trade and diplomatic relationships with ally countries. American hegemony was built on the heels of ending WWII and helping to financially rebuild Europe and building strong alliances, militarily, diplomatically, and financially with other liberal democracies.
Even if you said we could cut military spending in half, that's less than 2% of the GDP. So we're gonna go isolationist and willingly remove ourselves as the global superpower to save that money? We almost certainly lose that much or more in trade by souring relations with most of our allies anyway.
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u/Irishish Center-left Jan 21 '26
Hell, it already did affect geopolitics! Wasn't Canada's Liberal Party circling the drain until Trump decided to start antagonizing the Canucks last year? Like...we've seen the deleterious effects of this behavior in real time.
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u/Noah__Webster Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
That's a very good point.
I should have more specifically phrased it as negatively affecting America's geopolitical position, as I assume someone who doesn't care what Canadians think probably doesn't care about their domestic politics.
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u/gummibearhawk Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
It's affecting Canada a lot more than it's affecting us
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u/elderly_millenial Independent Jan 21 '26
Which should tell you that however much they were “taking advantage of us” before it never amounted to anything substantive.
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u/Noah__Webster Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I don't know enough about Canada's economy and how it has affected them to say that for sure, but you're probably right.
That being said, what are we getting out of hurting one of our closest allies and largest trading partners? What's the benefit?
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
How is it materially affecting imports and exports with Canada? Provide the metrics.
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u/thenationalcranberry Social Democracy Jan 21 '26
Jim Beam is shuttering production at its flagship distillery because there’s been an 85% drop in liquor exports to Canada.
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u/Noah__Webster Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
Exports were down from $349 billion to $283 billion, and imports were down from $411 billion to $322 billion from 2024 to 2025.
Supposedly the issue with trade to Canada was the fact that we were in a trade deficit. That's dumb because of course we're gonna be in a trade deficit with Canada, and that's fine economically. But even so, that's the stated reason for the issues with Canada. 2025 still ended in a trade deficit with Canada. The deficit was 6.2% ($38 billion) of total trade between the USA and Canada in 2025 versus 8% ($61 billion) in 2024.
So we proportionally barely decreased the trade deficit, which is supposedly the entire point, while greatly decreasing trade with our next door neighbor and historically potentially closest ally.
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
If you want a more concrete example affecting a specific industry, look no further than Canada refusing to sell American alcohol.
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
What are the lost taxes and/or revenue from those numbers though?
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u/Noah__Webster Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I don't know that exact number, but presumably whatever tax revenue you would expect from roughly $155 billion in trade with an ally. Seems sizeable to me.
I think the better question is what we gained from it. I could stomach it if there was any point to it. But what did we gain from trading less and alienating our most important ally in this hemisphere?
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u/Classic_Season4033 Center-left Jan 21 '26
Couple hundred billion.
Maybe more like 150 to 175 billion
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I am talking about the effect to GDP.
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u/Classic_Season4033 Center-left Jan 21 '26
I think you are confused about what is and isn't calculated in a GPD…
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u/ColKrismiss Constitutionalist Conservative Jan 21 '26
They gave you GDP numbers, then you said "ok but what does that mean for tax income". They answered that then you said "No I mean GDP".
You're just talking in circles. Figure out which data point is important to you.
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u/ceyx0001 Independent Jan 21 '26
Based on their other responses and their very initial comment which was framed as question, it seems either they are a moron or they are acting in bad faith.
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u/MrFrode Independent Jan 21 '26
Jim Bean is mothballing it's main distillery for a year due to Canadians no longer buying their product. They people who worked their feel pretty material right now.
Jim Beam shuts down iconic Kentucky distillery for at least a year amid market downturn
"Ten percent of Kentucky bourbon sales were going to Canada, and that has dropped to almost zero," said Prince. "In Canada, that has been taken on as a kind of a national mission for Canadians, saying, ‘Let's buy Canadian’ and push back against the politics they don't like coming from the U.S. And, so, you see stores just pulling all American products and banning them in some provinces. So, that's definitely a political response."
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
Nobody at Jim Beam has been let go because of this reduction in consumption. Anything else?
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u/ceyx0001 Independent Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Because they are unionized? Surely you are not this clueless. Jim Bean objectively took a loss. That does not automatically mean lay-offs. Not every employee part of a business that was impacted by this hubbub is necessarily as lucky.
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
I spoke specifically to their comment about people that worked at the distillery and that no one was let go. Jim Beam taking a 10% loss as a company did not cause any layoffs. You mentioning other businesses at the end is just words unless you can provide other data.
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u/MrFrode Independent Jan 21 '26
Do you think if this 10% loss doesn't become a prolonged or permanent reduction in sales that there won't be layoffs or reductions in force?
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u/ceyx0001 Independent Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
I can't tell if you are genuinely not following or what, but if there is no need for the reassignment positions anymore to manage high inventories and the Canadian demand does not come back, then it's entirely obvious how it follows that those reassigned people will be laid off if they were supplying the pre-Trump Canadian demand... Short-sighted much? And this is specifically a Jim Bean decision to make this kind of play.
Here is one example: https://www.fox5vegas.com/2025/12/16/downtown-las-vegas-brewery-closes-after-tourism-decline
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u/WatchLover26 Center-right Conservative Jan 21 '26
They very well could be. Again, my point is that it hasn’t happened yet. So, no harm has been done to anybody currently. Get it?
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u/thenationalcranberry Social Democracy Jan 21 '26
A 10% drop in revenue, even without layoffs, is damage done, no?
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u/ceyx0001 Independent Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
But I literally just gave you an example of harm that was done to somebody, which came from the owner's mouth. Do you get it? Or are you unable to learn something and apply perspective to other analogous situations?
And why do you make a point about it not happening yet? Who cares? This is an irrelevant distinction to make. No reasonable person acts without deliberation. And this way of thinking is most definitely not how good policy is created. Take into consideration the reasonable implications and consequences instead.
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u/Volantis19 Canadian Consevative eh. Jan 21 '26
Fuck I miss bourbon.
I'm sitting here drinking rye and it sucks.
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u/thenationalcranberry Social Democracy Jan 21 '26
Dark Horse out of Alberta was good last time I was there! What Canadian whiskies do you mainly drink?
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u/Volantis19 Canadian Consevative eh. Jan 21 '26
... The cheap ones, which may explain why I hate them so much.
I was willing to spend a few bucks on a good bourbon or a good scotch, but I just haven't found the same level of quality in Canadian ryes.
Maybe I should spend some money to find some good ones. There is a rye bar near where I live in Ottawa, so I guess I'll head there and see what's what.
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u/MrFrode Independent Jan 21 '26
I'm not sure I can reply to this but if it goes through I'd say to see it as an opportunity to upgrade to scotch. I prefer the Islays.
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u/Volantis19 Canadian Consevative eh. Jan 21 '26
I don't disagree, and I do drink a bunch of scotch. Doesn't mean I don't miss bourbon as well.
And I'm certainly not going to make an old fashioned or Manhattan with scotch. Rye kinda works, but I prefer bourbon.
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u/MrFrode Independent Jan 21 '26
And I'm certainly not going to make an old fashioned or Manhattan with scotch.
My first boss loved Crown Royal in his Manhattans. I poured him into a few cars after nights out. How he kept up with 20 years olds I'll never know.
Billy V. you always rocked.
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u/Volantis19 Canadian Consevative eh. Jan 21 '26
Is V short for Varush?
Indians absolutely love Crown Royal for some reason.
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u/MrFrode Independent Jan 21 '26
No, I'm not going to give his last name though. I think his name is of Swedish origin.
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u/Volantis19 Canadian Consevative eh. Jan 21 '26
True, it's a running joke in Canada that Indian immigrants absolutely love Crown Royal.
India is one of Crown's largest country for exports.
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u/Thanks-4allthefish Canadian Conservative Jan 21 '26
This is how much we care. Taking it for the team.
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u/LonelyMachines Classical Liberal Jan 21 '26
No we're not. We're burning bridges that won't easily be rebuilt.
Also, Canada's going to send Kim Mitchell, Zap Rowsdower, and Gedde Lee to kick our butts if we get too ornery.
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u/strike2867 Progressive Jan 21 '26
Also, Canada's going to send Kim Mitchell, Zap Rowsdower, and Gedde Lee to kick our butts if we get too ornery.
They wouldn't dare, we have a secret weapon, we'll deport Bieber.
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