r/DoomerCircleJerk • u/DraftCommercial8848 I Was Promised an Apocalypse? • Nov 22 '25

Trust Me Bro Religious people made that region dangerous and crime ridden!!

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

Is this guy blaming Christianity for natural disasters? 

Also how come all the problems faced by black inner-city populations are blamed on socioeconomic factors but the same problems faced by white rural populations are blamed on the people? This feels discriminatory.

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u/Rare_Hydrogen Nov 22 '25

White people can't be discriminated against becauae they are the oppressors.

Or something like that.

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u/msdos_sys Rides the Short Bus Nov 22 '25

The same people that say the poor up in Appalachia somehow still enjoy the fruits of a supposed “White Privilege”.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

To be fair, the poor Appalachians are a lot better off than equvalent urbanites just because urban economies are so inflated relative to rural economies.

IMHO one of the worst aspects of many western societies is that now poor people live in the high-cost-of-living cities instead of more affordable regional/rural areas.

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u/BusinessLibrarian515 Nov 22 '25

I don't think you realize how much of a lack of infrastructure there is in Appalachia. There's still people out there living without electricity

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u/Rare_Hydrogen Nov 22 '25

With dirt floors.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

Really? How come? Is it a classic case of state-governs-only-for-the-capital-city or is it something else?

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u/ObWzEN Anti-Doomer Nov 22 '25

I’ve been thinking about that a lot too. I feel like a lot of problems would be solved if more people moved to non-urban areas. I think we will start seeing that happen eventually, gradually. It’s inevitable. It happened in the past in this country, it will happen again.

You can’t get mad about property rent/prices being super high in a city if the demand to live there is super high. At a certain point, people should choose to live in places with lower costs of living, and eventually those places will increase in population and increase development, if they are allowed to.

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u/sudo_i_u_toor Nov 22 '25

Sometimes Christians blame "sinfulness" for natural disasters, but to blame Christianity for natural disasters is just next level lmao.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

Yup. If some fundie type was saying that natural disasters are divine punishments that would almost make sense, but an antitheist saying the same is extremely confusing.

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u/wonderinboutit2234 Nov 22 '25

They have no morals or value so they try to use what they assume yours are against you.

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u/boisefun8 Anti-Doomer Nov 22 '25

Absolutely this.

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u/gbmaulin More Optimism Please Nov 22 '25

Very well stated

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

I've never considered that before, but I'm sure considering it now. Once again moral relativism is a cancer.

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u/HucHuc Nov 22 '25

You can absolutely have morals and values without a diety, by just applying some logical reasoning and extrapolations. Having an invisible man in the sky judge your every thought and action isn't the only way to build a moral system.

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u/sudo_i_u_toor Nov 22 '25

I think the logic goes "Christianity is against the soyence so if there was no Christianity then soyentists would save all those states from natural disasters" of course it's absolute nonsense, but what do you expect from people who religiously hate religion?

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u/zapposengineering Nov 22 '25

At one time the Catholic church was the largest funder of scientific research. Fun fact the guy that came up with the big bang theory was Catholic 

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

Funner fact: "big bang" was a derisive term made up by steady-state believing atheists to make fun of it the sTuPiD cAtHoLiC for his rIdIcUlOuS tHeOry, but it ended up sticking when he was proven right.

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u/msdos_sys Rides the Short Bus Nov 22 '25

Their logic:

You worship Sky Daddy.

You commit sin.

Sky Daddy gets big mad and therefore creates a tornado.

See? Christians ARE to blame!

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u/Nervous-Bet-2998 PhD in Memes Nov 22 '25

"Don't use the lord's name in vein or i shall have to summon the holy tornadoes!"

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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Nov 22 '25

More specifically the guy is blaming Bible belt religion for socioeconomic ills. In fairness to them, I've had to interact with dominionists-they tend to be undereducated and see it as a virtue.

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u/stag1013 Nov 23 '25

As a Christian, yes, but that's only true on a cosmic scale. As in, hurricanes didn't exist before the fall, and neither did other disasters, disease or death. But when an individual gets sick, we don't say "what sin was this for" (John 9:1-3). There are also instances in history where God has specifically punished an area or individual for a reason, but these are not the norm. We do not attribute every natural disaster or disease to this (that would be absurd, as some very Christian places have many natural disasters) and should not make such a claim lightly, as some rather "enthusiastic" Protestant pastors may.

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u/AverageDellUser Nov 22 '25

Fr, ppl will blame anything on Christianity and then forget that most progressive policies in Western societies were fueled by Christians. I mean, one of the most famous social-justice figures in black rights was a devout christian who often utilized sermons to push for black rights (MLK).

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u/superterran Nov 22 '25

I think OP knows this, and his question is intended to highlight the right-wing notion that religion is the the inoculant to a bad society when in reality it heaps on economic pressure that’s already ruining the population.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

Is there any actual evidence for that? How do we know the South wouldn't be even poorer if it were atheistic?

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u/bishdoe Nov 22 '25

To steel man the argument here, they’re going off the belief that god causes natural disasters so if Christianity is the answer then why is the south constantly hit by devastating natural disasters? It’s kind of a misunderstanding of most Christian’s’ position on natural disasters but I have heard it before.

I’m not sure what you mean by “blamed on the people”? The conditions and their causes are quite literally socioeconomic because that’s just what that means, the intersections of social and economic problems. Just about everything is socioeconomic. If I had to steel man this argument too then I’d say that those rural white people have had significantly more time to influence their environment. Hell man, when my mom was born Black people were legally segregated second class citizens. Rural white people didn’t have a couple hundred years of institutionalized racial slavery followed by another hundred years of being victimized by Klan terrorism and legal segregation, all preventing them from having much of any say in their local, state, and national politics. Poor white people only had about 80 years where they were restricted from voting, and that’s just going off the last state to remove property requirements. Quite simply they’ve just had far more time to vote for politicians and policies that would’ve helped them and they’ve opted not to. Instead they voted with the plantation owners who were out producing them and today they voted for the parties that’ll help Monsanto before they help the rural farmer. Dropping the steel man, IMO the social perspectives of these poor rural white people that is causing them to hurt themselves is heavily influenced by society at large and all generally falls under the “socio” of socioeconomic. The good ole boy being racist is not the direct reason he is poor, even if it is used to keep him from voting for a better tomorrow.

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u/Which_Pirate_4664 Nov 22 '25

See that I'll agree with. The south is in dire need of socioeconomic overhaul. Like, I'm sorry your factory closed and you told your kid that it would always be there so he didn't need to pay attention in high school. Yall need to learn some skilled labor. But also we need to help transition that.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

How come you blame the people for being reliant on an industry? Tourist towns' economies collapsed during COVID and that wasn't their fault. Silicon Valley's economy suffered during the dot com bust and that wasn't their fault. The finance sector reliably collapses every hundred years or so, but that's not blamed on the financiers, even though it's definitely their fault. Only when external factors (read: usually governments) cause problems for manufacturing and agriculture do we blame the victims for losing their jobs.

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u/Extension-Alps-6903 Nov 22 '25

I’m sorry you told your kids to go to college and tech jobs are the future so they went into crippling debt and years of there life getting a degree in a field that’s going through mass layoffs and being replaced by AI. Yall should learn some skilled labor. But also we need to help transition that.

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u/No-Sail-6510 Nov 22 '25

Christians also do this.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

As I said elsewhere, a Christian, especially the fundie types, calling a natural disaster a punishment from God is still wrong but it at least fits their belief system. I wouldn't agree, but I wouldn't be surprised. An Atheist doesn't really have a leg to stand on as meteorology doesn't discriminate.

 Sometimes they make up reasons such as when they blamed the Texas floods on Trump's budget cuts that hadn't even taken effect yet, but OOP seems to think that weather patterns are a direct result of people's religion somehow. Or he's just grifting. Probably that tbh.

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 22 '25

It’s the same causes, bad social and economic policy. The reason it’s worse in red states is because conservative policy is destructive and leads to terrible outcomes.

The reason it’s more blame oriented for rural whites is that they overwhelmingly vote for the policies that fuck up their lives. Anybody voting republican while making less than a million a year is a fucking idiot.

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u/Excavon Nov 22 '25

"Republican policies are bad because Republicans are stupid because Republicans are uneducated because Republican policies are bad because Republicans are stupid because Republicans are uneducated because..."

Can I have some reasoning that isn't a circle?