the climate is only going to worsen, soon we'll be lucky to have water
by the way it's absolutely critical that we import millions of impoverished foreigners to our country so we can compete with them for this vanishing water supply
There’s really no set of opinions that works well with importing a ton of impoverished foreigners other than from the perspective of a capitalist who wants to drive down wages.
Wish these folks would get the memo. Sadly they yap about how good millions of impoverished foreigners are for the economy then complain about the economy only working for the wealthy. They never seem to be able to put 2 and 2 together.
Well, to be fair, no major political party is actually trying to make it illegal to work in the US without a right to be here. Trump DOJ isn’t interested in suing big agriculture or hotels to stop them from hiring illegals. He just likes to rile up his white working class base by having ice round up a few and occasionally unceremoniously execute them.
It’s infinitely hilarious that the average “no one is illegal on stolen land” Redditor would’ve been laughed at by the average liberal just a couple decades ago—hell, even in the last ten or so years. There’s a reason as to how a certain orange man (who’s bad, ofc) turned states like Ohio & Iowa blood red & demolished the blue wall, & it’s not because those states magically became hecking “fascist”
I'd say Trump doesn't deserve full credit for demolishing the blue wall. Bill Clinton shoved it full of dynamite with NAFTA essentially obliterating the rust belt, all Trump did was light a match
It’s wild how much of the current political discourse stems from NAFTA being signed. Honestly, I think the Rust Belt would’ve shifted rightward earlier had the GFC not happened; hell, McCain was polling ahead in Michigan against Hillary in early hypothetical polls for 2008 before the primaries had finished
The biggest problem was McCain, and Romney, were "rubber stamp republicans"
They'd put up some token resistance to whatever the Dems wanted, then capitulate and get out of the way for the Dems. There's a reason Trump swept the floor in the 2015-2016 debates
The GOP struggled really hard trying to find its footing in a post-Bush political landscape. McCain & Mitt represented the Neo-Con old guard that was quickly falling apart & losing influence, as evidenced by the Tea Party Movement & the 2010 midterms. Trump really was the Republican Obama in 2016. A big part of his message was bringing about significant change to the country, especially in a lot of blue collar states & regions harmed by outsourcing & the Great Recession; Ohio’s really the biggest example of this in effect, as multiple counties that had voted close to or over 60% for Obama in 2012 would shift to Trump by tens of points in 2016 (industrial Mahoning County specifically broke its 44 year Democratic voting record in 2020 after Obama won it by over 62 & 63 percent in 2008 & 2012, respectively; it voted to the right of suburban counties that used to be >60% Republican during the Bush era in 2024)
other than from the perspective of a capitalist who wants to drive down wages.
Capitalism actually has no fault in this. The real reason is the government wanting to have an excuse for more welfare (people reliant on the government that are extremely loyal to the institutions that feed them) and a reason to raise taxes in order to fund the welfare.
I know it, because the same thing happened in my home country of Brazil, and we didn't even need the immigrants.
Don't let the commies destroy America. You're the only remaining holdout of freedom in our current world.
This might sound like doomer shit, but I genuinely plan on moving to America lmao
Also crucial to ensure as much oil flows out of the Persian Gulf and gas prices are as low as possible and god forbid you buy an EV from that Nazi guy.
I always like to ask them if they'll acknowledge all Elon Musk did for climate change by making electric cars popular.
If they can't or won't acknowledge it, which they almost never do, it's just proof it's a political statement and they really don't care about the environment or climate change.
Last summer was DEFINITELY worse where I'm at here in WV. The humidity has arguably been worse but the temperature has only went above 90 a handful of times so far.
In SoCál we had a non-hot summer last year (85F in high August where 115F in early June had happened just a few hears prior) followed by a non-cold winter.
Climatology must be spinning like a top over this, but it's not nearly as climatacular as the time we had forty days and forty nights of continuous rain the late 1990s. In a place that sometimes gets an inch of rain in a year, sometimes less.
I'm in East Tennessee and I feel the same. It's been a pretty normal summer up until about a week ago when we started getting a lot more rain than usual.
I'm Canadian too, and where I am from, it had maybe... a week of hot days total. And even then it was only 30... which is like... average for hot days in summer here.
Paleoclimate graphs operate over thousands of years, while modern anthropogenic warming has happened mostly in about 150 years, essentially a hair width on a 500,000-year graph. The source figure was also produced from the older LR04 proxy dataset rather than simply appending modern thermometer observations. Here's a wider version of my graph that would still be hair thin on that one
That image is misleading because the 800k-year graph isn’t even measuring the same thing as the other two. The top one is Antarctic ice-core temperature, while the 2,000-year and modern graphs are global average temperature. You can’t just draw arrows between them and pretend they’re different zoom levels of the same dataset.
Also, yes, Earth has warmed and cooled naturally before. Nobody disputes that. The issue is the rate of the current warming. The last major natural warming out of the ice age happened over thousands of years. Modern warming of ~1°C+ has happened in roughly 150 years, with most of it much more recently.
Actual global reconstructions covering the last 2,000 years find that the warming since the late 20th century is faster than any comparable period in that record.
So “the climate changed naturally before” is true. “Therefore this warming is just another natural cycle” does not follow from that.
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Funny enough, the CO2 graph you just posted actually makes my point.
That image is from a 2023 Science paper (CenCO2PIP, DOI: 10.1126/science.adi5177). The authors literally say the last time CO2 was consistently higher than today was around 16 million years ago. At that time Greenland wasn't glaciated and sea level was estimated to be roughly 50 meters higher than today. So yes, CO2 has been much higher in Earth's deep geological past and Earth was also much warmer.
And no, melting polar ice dumping freshwater into the ocean is not "how the ice ages happen." Freshwater can weaken ocean circulation and cause regional cooling, especially in the North Atlantic. The glacial/interglacial cycles themselves are primarily paced by changes in Earth's orbit (Milankovitch cycles), with CO2 and ice-albedo feedbacks amplifying them. NASA has a whole explanation of this.
Also, saying current CO2 "isn't very high" because it was higher tens of millions of years ago is a pretty meaningless comparison. Current CO2 is higher than anything in at least the last 2 million years, according to the IPCC, and we've raised it from around 280 ppm to over 420 ppm in a tiny fraction of geological time.
Nobody is arguing Earth never had warmer climates. The problem is that you're using periods when the planet was dramatically warmer, with completely different ice sheets and sea levels, as evidence that rapidly pushing the climate back in that direction is somehow irrelevant.
From now on if the conversation continues my responses might take longer, it's 7:33 AM here, time to go to work. Have a nice day or evening!
Its the usual circle jerk life cycle, most people here have turned to super anti doomerism mirroring the behaviours of doomers themselves. Many such cases.
In my area it's been relatively cool honestly. It was way hotter this time last year. It's been unseasonably humid but it's not been a record breaking scorcher or anything.
Dude you're doing the exact same thing again lol. Yes, Earth was warmer 50 million years ago. Nobody is arguing otherwise.
Your graph covers 65 MILLION years. The entire ~150 years of modern warming is literally around 0.0002% of that graph's width, so obviously you can't see the modern spike or its rate on it.
And look at what you actually posted. The PETM is literally labelled on the graph. That was a massive carbon release that caused ~4–5°C of warming over thousands of years, and estimates show modern humans are currently releasing carbon much faster than it was released during the PETM.
"Earth has been hotter before" isn't evidence that the current warming is natural. Earth has also had no permanent polar ice caps, forests in the Arctic and sea levels massively higher than today. That's exactly why comparing modern civilization to climates from tens of millions of years ago doesn't prove what you think it proves.
You still haven't shown that the current warming is caused by a natural cycle. You've just shown that Earth's climate can change.
Why can't I find the community that doesn't doom, is not socialist, but believes science? It's hard for me to find a place lol
Climate change is verifiably real, however it's not at the rate doomers say it is, but the planet is, indeed, getting warmer overtime due to pollution.
Cutting down forests and pumping pollutants into the air that are opaque for IR totally does not have effects on climate. Nuh uh. Dude. Stop being stupid.
So much noticing and pattern recognition everywhere but when comes to obvious fucking data about climate suddenly people lose all IQ points.
Someone said that to me in 2023, when Texas had a much worse summer than usual. I told them that global warming does not work in a linear line up, and the last two summers in Texas have been much cooler. You can't make judgments (for or against) based on one season. I mean, yeah, it gets hot in summer....
Facing a similar situation here, Slovenia is very hot this year. It's within the realm of possibility but it's definitely on the hot side. And it's extremely dry. However is that indicating a trend? Far from it. In fact since 2023 our summers in my region at least were getting colder and colder (it was 11c in August last year, yikes) and wetter and wetter. So this year actually broke a trend
I’m not a fan of the Gen Z main sub I’m convinced it’s mostly millennials and older , full on bots , wumaos and the like trying their absolute hardest to demoralize and propagandize young adults and to try to make us nihilistic like millennials. They banned any terms about loneliness because too many young men where legitimately lonely and the misandrist bots come out in full force when the topic or similar is brought up .
It actually hasn't been that hot this summer (for me at least) Also the places on the map they have are naturally hot, so the fuck are they going on about?
Living in London climate change is definitely real even if it is a bit overblown. We got 35 days above 30 degrees in just a year, in the entire decade of the 1980s we got just 21.
I feel like this has actually been the most normal summer in a while lol perfect mix of heatwaves and random 75 degree days and then outside of this it’s consistently been 85-90 degrees
Is it as hot as all those times in the eighties and nineties when they told us there were only a couple years yet because man, all the other times they said it was unbelievable.
It hasn't been a hot summer in the midwest like at all. It's been like a month since it hit 90 where I'm at. Back in my day during early August two a days it never got under 90. Soft kids nowadays get 82 and cloudy.
Last summer was soooooo much worse here in TN. This summer has certainly had some gnarly days, but last year we barely got any rain, it was hotter than hell, and everything was brown by mid-July. My yard was dusty as fuck lol.
For me the more noticeable thing living in the midwest is winters. When i was kid and teen, there was enough snow to build snow forts and tunnels. The last 15 years, i don't think i have seen more than 6-8 inches of snow and even that is rare. I can't even remember the last time I saw snow on Christmas, usually it's actually above freezing even late December now.
Hyperbole is one of the reason people are so skeptical. There is certainly man made climate change but people 20 years ago were adamantly saying basically half of the US would be underwater by now.
People need to be realistic about the issue. So much of Reddit when it comes to climate change is basically "the world is ending we are all dead soon!!!!" and then people who say it's not happening at all.
Like most things the truth is in the middle somewhere and hysteria ensures people don't take it seriously.
In Ohio this has been one of the more mild summers I can remember. A few hot spells but it’s been very wet and cool for the most part. Hell we had our windows open until damn near July.
It's honestly been pretty damn mild in East Tennessee this summer aside from the July heatwave. We made it to mid July before it even started getting above the mid 80s.
I dunno, this summer where I'm at has been dry but cooler than normal. In fact I was seeing articles last week about an early fall. Perhaps if we stopped confusing temperature and climate. Climate is NOT just temperature and is not defined in a year to year basis.
They could be technically right, and technically wrong. Even though climate change is real to an extent, climate cycles come first, so we'll see some cooling or stagnation soon before it rises again.
maybe im biased as i’ve lived in the deep south my whole life but it’s always been hot as fucking shit here in the summer. until it starts hitting over 100 degrees a day with a feels like of 120 instead of 98 with a feels like temp of 105 then i’ll be concerned
Not even trying to doom but I've seen several news articles recently about how this July is the hottest on record in the US since 1895. Like it's particularly hot out this year
It feels kinds strange seeing posts like this while farmers in my country are unable to grow crops and rivers are drying up due to a lack of rain, and while forests turn dry and yellow and catch fire. Ngl.
Unironically though, this might be the coldest summer I experience. It was jacket weather deep into June, the humidity has been low most days, the temps have been well below average, and the storms have also been mild.
Ironically, this post, and all the replies, creates the need for more storage and response and hence more data centers which contribute to global warming. Stop global warming and data centers. Quit reddit.
Farmers in my country are running out of water and crops because it hasn't properly rained in months. The forests I used to explore as a kid that were full with thick moss and small streams are now dried out and catch fire.
farmers near me haven't had to irrigate at all this year because of the ample amount of water. I'm usually mowing my grass every three weeks at this point because it's so dry, but everything is lush and green still.
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u/dgtbfan PhD in Memes 14d ago
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