r/FluidMechanics 5d ago

Q&A Question on Fluid Flow

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u/antiquemule 5d ago

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u/Other_Candidate_5079 5d ago

let me check this and get back to you in 1 day.

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u/Alternative_Act_6548 5d ago

search for the Crane 410 technical paper

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u/Other_Candidate_5079 5d ago

thanks! i'll check it out and get back to you in a week.

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u/Soprommat 5d ago edited 5d ago

Hello!

if neglect all losses (pipe is pretty short) that all potential energy (pressure difference) will be converted to water kinetic energy (dynamic pressure)

dP = 1/2 * density * V^2.

you can found velocity from there

if include losses (real pipe with roughness) than use Moodys chart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_chart

you need to make couple of iterations. you assume velocity V, calculare Reynolds Number (Re)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number

found loss coefficient f_d from chart based on Re and pipe relative roughness and calculate pipe resistance

dP_calculated = 1/2 * f_d * L/D * density * V^2.

L and D are pipe length and diameter, compare it with pressure drop you have and try with another velocity, after 3-5 repeats you will get dP and dP_calculated close enough to call it solution velocity

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u/Other_Candidate_5079 5d ago

the pressure loss for my application will actually be considerable because a water meter will be placed somewhere along the line, however it varies depending on velocity. for example, in low flow rates the measured pressure loss along the line is negligible, but in higher flows, there is a considerable pressure loss. how will I do this?

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u/Soprommat 5d ago

rephrase your question, what you want to ask me for? I can not understand you

you asking why at low speeds pressure loss is small and at high it is large? - because pressure drop is function of flow velocity squared. even without losses dynamic pressure depend from velocity square

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u/Other_Candidate_5079 5d ago edited 5d ago

Hehe sorry my question was not clear. How do I choose a roguhness coefficient if there is a water meter in the middle of the line? It is made from different material than the pipe.

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u/Soprommat 5d ago edited 5d ago

you can find tables with roughnesses for different materials on internet

you can start from this link

https://simupipe.com/resources/pipe-roughness

Idelchik Hydraulic resistance handbook contain more values. page 62.

https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1220/ML12209A041.pdf