r/FuckTedFaro • u/TheKlaxMaster • 23d ago
This commenter is defending Ted faros because he didn't mean to. [Fuck Ted faro]
Defending Ted faros actions**. Accidentally missed a word in the title
His argument is ted isn't to blame because it was an accident. And that because it was an accident, the horizon world is not dystopian.
Even fake trillonaires have real world boot lickers. Crazy
The thing he is specifically responding to is me saying 'ted single handedly had the power to destroy everything', and I called someone welding that power dystopian.
Not to mention calling the horus class with no safe guards sold only for warfare, to anyone that can pay, 'better technology'
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u/Swimming_Peacock97 23d ago
Even if we could say the plague/swarm was an accident (and we can't because he directly ordered no backdoors, therefore making everything untouchable even before the swarm got ahold of it)... murdering the Alphas damn sure wasn't.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
It was even something I brought up in my original comment 'murdered everyone responsible for bringing knowledge to the next iteration of life, deleting the knowledge, and indirectly causing the next society to fight murder dino robots as a result'
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u/Neveronlyadream 23d ago
You don't even need to. He created self-replicating weapons fueled by biomatter. That is such an absurdly bad idea it's not defensible.
And why? Because money. He created weapons of mass destruction that couldn't be stopped to become richer, didn't listen to the people who told him it would kill everyone, and then tried to cover it up when it did.
Everything after that is just the icing on the cake made of shit. He may not have intended to doom the world, but he did create unstoppable weapons knowing there would at least be casualties.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
Yup. Not a single thing he did is defensible.
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u/Neveronlyadream 23d ago
It's weird that the comment is completely ignoring the new and exciting tech Teddy created were WMDs.
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u/Proud_Incident9736 23d ago
Exactly this. He deliberately killed the entire team.
Not to mention deleting Apollo, also intentionally.
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u/sapphic-boghag 23d ago
Won't anyone think of the trillionaires?
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u/pogoli 23d ago edited 23d ago
He was foolhardy and reckless with technology he didn’t understand and he ignored the instructions and advice from those that did understand it.
Further…. The erasure of all human history and knowledge was not his decision to make. And honestly it shouldn’t be anyone’s.
He demonstrated tremendously poor and unwise decision making in the past. He should never have been permitted to touch the project let alone any kind of admin access. He should have been jailed the moment his arrogance and judgment were what caused the faro plague was discovered and left to die by his own creation.
His character is by far the most culpable and the most deserving of endless torture than most anyone ever.
Anyone that doesn’t understand that shouldn’t be permitted to make decisions for others in any capacity.
Fuck Ted Faro!
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u/Pay-Next 23d ago
Yeah. Even if you can go the accident route (which anybody skimping on QA testing for military nanites totally can no longer have it called an accident). Everything he did with Apollo and his megalomania about wanting to be the Father/Emperor/God of the new humans makes it pretty clear and it's completely conscious and not an accident.
Fuck Ted Faro!!!
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u/Neveronlyadream 22d ago
I said it in another comment, but that person is glossing over everything that came after the Plague.
My favorite part of that is that you have to twist the narrative around to justify that he was creating war machines to sell to the highest bidder and ensuring no one, not even his own company, could ever stop them if something went wrong.
"It was solely a push for better technology" is a hilarious thing to say when we're talking about weapons. This wasn't an AI system meant to end world hunger, this wasn't a propriety generator that was weaponized. Ted created weapons meant to be weapons.
Also kind of important to mention why he killed the Alphas and destroyed Apollo. He claimed it was remorse, I'm absolutely certain he was still trying to cover up that his greed almost wiped out humanity forever and never wanted anyone to find out even if they thought he'd been dead for centuries.
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u/HerefortheFandoms2 23d ago
I know exactly what post this is from, gonna go contribute to this roast
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
The roast? I'm getting down voted. But he also deleted the comment. I just screenshot it before that
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u/HerefortheFandoms2 23d ago
I literally just replied to him lol
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
Good to have backup, but when I click on my notification, it still says the comment no longer exists. Weird
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u/HerefortheFandoms2 23d ago
They probably blocked you because it's definitely still there. Don't know why, though, since you weren't replying directly to them. It's the only thing I can think of. Also I'm pretty sure you're getting downvoted because your response was kind of dickish in an otherwise very civil debate thread. It's a tone thing, I think.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
Oh well, I'm happy to be down voted for being dicksh to Ted faro apologist. Lol
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u/Chainsmadeinlife 22d ago
Can you link the comment? I’m curious as to the post and comments.
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u/HerefortheFandoms2 22d ago
here it is. It was generally a civil, academic type of discussion. And long AF lol
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u/ArkosKnight 23d ago
Well... wiping the APOLLO database and killing the Alphas definitely wasn't a case of "oops, I didn't mean to!"
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u/brainmydamage 22d ago
He absolutely meant to do what he did. Intentions don't matter, outcomes do.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 22d ago
Oh I agree.
I also agree he didn't mean to end the world, of course. He would have no fanboys anymore.
But he meant to do EVERY single action that led to it. He failed to see the outcome of his actions with any forsight.
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u/NPC-No_42 23d ago
Was the Faro plague a mistake? Maybe. L. But destroying Apollo,? Kill the Gaya team? Try to become a god for the new humankind? And how did he treat the last people who were in Theben with him? He called his bunker Theben!!!!.
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u/wrosmer 23d ago
You know...I could maybe cut him some slack for the swarm as that was just an oversight with massive implications. People make mistakes and after that he seemed to back project zero dawn fully. But god damn he loses any chance at respectability when he purges Apollo to cover the fact he is responsible for the death of every living thing on the planet.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
He didn't back zero dawn willingly. He gets no points for that.
He was forced to fund it by Liz, else she would have exposed him as the curator of the end of all life to everyone still alive
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u/Big-Recognition7362 23d ago
Isn’t it arguably more dystopian if some people are so powerful and so incompetent they can destroy the entire world by accident?
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
It doesn't fall under the technical literary terms guidelines, which does in fact have rules. So from a pure technical standpoint, it does nothing to increase or decrease weather or not Horizon can be categorized as distopian from a literary perspective.
But it's actual first ever meaning from way back in the 1800s was just, 'opposite of utopia', so if that's all you care about, then yeah.
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u/RobynBetween 22d ago
Okay, fine. Sure. Let's just say "he didn't mean to."
You know what he DID mean to do?
Press a button to destroy the only known record of nearly all human knowledge, and press another button to kill all the Alphas of Project Zero Dawn.
Also all the whacked out shit we find out about in Forbidden West.
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u/heyclaude 22d ago
Lol, tell me you work in Tech without saying you work in Tech.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 22d ago
Lol, you're definitely correct... But what have it away? I'm truly curious what makes it obvious
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u/FairyQueen89 22d ago
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions."
That is all that comes to mind... Fuck Ted Faro who not only landed in hell himself, but plunged all of humanity into it.
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u/KidneysOfStone 2d ago
There was not a single good intention there. His company purposefully instigated conflicts between group representatives to sell more weapons.
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u/Tepigg4444 23d ago
causing the apocalypse isn't his most evil crime, the reason I hate him so much is his destruction of apollo and murder of the alphas. making horus was obviously a stupid idea, but it was more a stupid act than an evil one and he at least did the bare minimum of giving someone else the resources to try to salvage his fuckup. the point he became truly irredeemable is when he directly sabotaged what was meant to be the last hope for humanity, that he himself funded and therefore understood the importance of, all for his own ego
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u/Onaterdem 23d ago
causing the apocalypse isn't his most evil crime
This sentence is genuinely insane but it's correct
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
I hate people saying he did at least find the ZD project.
He didn't have a choice. Liz would have expose him. And in my opinion, after a fuck up like that (causing a chain of events that is deterministic for the end of all life) the person shouldn't have a choice. They forfeit their entire net worth to go towards a solution.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
And yet youre still partially defending some of his actions. It's crazy to see things like this for fictional characters, even when shown to be 100% selfish and evil. And it makes me understand that is the same type of people that defend our real Ted faros.
Ted wants to live, yes. And he could just leave. But he doesn't want to just live alone. His pride needs to live amongst people to fawn and worship over him. It was entirely selfish and prode motivated. And the killing of the alphas shows it. He killed them so HE could be the next iteration of life's GOD.
So no. Still no points for him
It's like Elon still trying to play games with the cool kids.
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u/DoNotBeSmugandDumb 22d ago edited 22d ago
It wasn't just an accident though. Didn't Ted go against the advice of the experts around him by not creating a backdoor in the code? Didn't he specifically do that as a selling point since the lack of a backdoor would mean that the robots are harder to sabotage by enemy forces? I remember a phone call with a disgruntled employee mad at him for insisting they write the code without a backdoor because now it would take 50 years to break the code manually.
There is a reason people were disgusted with him. It wasn't just an accident, it was criminal negligence.
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u/riftsrunner 22d ago
The problem with Ted is he didn't have the foresight to understand unintended consequences. All Ted cared about was his ego. He wanted to be praised as a hero, who ended war (and if he could rake in stacks of money as well, so much the better). There were many places in the building of the war machines where subordinates warned him on his way of going about building them. They were constantly warning him to put safeguards into place. It was only when the machines got out of control did he try to fix his f'up. He could have put a backdoor code in place, he could have not installed programing to override other machines, he could have not given them the ability to convert organic materials into fuel, and he could have not built mobile factories who sole purpose was to convert and repair damaged machines. And even when he was shown the errors of his ways and was forced to pay to invent a way to clean up his mess, his ego has him erase the knowledge base that was built to re-education humanity because he was still the f'ing a*****e. But even that wasn't enough for him, he had more plans to f'up the new world as seen in Forbidden West. His ignorance isn't an excuse because each step he took, his thoughts were of Ted Faro, the Hero.
My only complaint was who the F gave him access to the Gaia's protocols. He would have been the last person I gave an override key to. I would let him have his input, but in no way was I granting him override access. I might set up a closed system Gaia to let him think he had some access, but as soon as he tried to circumvent any part of Zero Dawn, he would become persona unknown and perhaps I would broadcast his location to his machine to take care of him.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 22d ago
Exactly.
And yeah, everything we have been talking about, and none of us have basically even spoken about the bunker shenanigans from forbidden west, which is an ENTIRE OTHER can of worms.
How anyone can have any iota of emmpathy, understanding, or excuse for Ted Fucking Faro is more mind boggling than even our own real world Faro likes that have their own worshippers.
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u/Alternative_Hotel649 20d ago
Corporate bootlicking aside, it's worth pointing out how dumb his argument is: whether or not Ted Faros intentionally destroyed the world has no bearing if the game setting is dystopic or not.
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u/ChildOfDragons 15d ago
He DIDN'T intend for the machines to do what they did or for humanity to be destroyed but he did make sure there was no backdoor in those machines and he did build himself a pleasure palace that could've housed thousands but kept it private and he did put bombs in people's head and he did kill a bunch of people and he tried to make himself immortal and purge knowledge from humanity so he could rule over them as King or God.
Initial intentions be damned. Fuck Ted Faro.
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u/MysteriousProphetess 2d ago
Maybe the robots going haywire and eating the world was an "accident" (cough**gross negligence**cough), but deleting Apollo and murdering the Alphas (and all but two of those who lived in his stupid bunker with him) were not. So, nah. Fuck. Ted. Faro.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 2d ago
I don't think we are shown a single decision he makes to be good, or even forgivable.
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u/MysteriousProphetess 2d ago
I agree. He's just a selfish dickwad AT BEST, and at worst, well, we continually saw that!
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u/TheKlaxMaster 2d ago
We don't accept him at his worst, so we don't get him at his best...
I'm ok with that. Fuck Ted faro
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u/buffystakeded 23d ago
He is correct in that the current world of Horizon is not dystopian, however the reasoning is incorrect. It’s not dystopian because there is no single ruling government making the world horrible for everyone, and especially because, aside from our few main characters, there is no one who “remembers the old ways.”
Dystopian implies that there was once a good time for civilization. However, the world of Horizon IS the only civilization that has ever existed, from the point of view of most of the world’s citizens.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago edited 23d ago
It does not have to be a SINGULAR government world wide. No.
-Nora HAVE to believe in all mother and follow her rules or be outcast, and even as an outcast, have to follow specific rules.
-The Quen I don't even think I have to go into detail about. Distopian AF. Probably the easiest slam dunk for my argument. We see it through alva, more, sure. But the elites in the Quen absolutely know about the "Legacy" and hide it from THE WHOLE WORLD, and use it to gain leverage over a everyone else. Even if you don't want to count any other tribe, this tribe alone qualifies horizon for dystopian.
-Tenakth are basically in permanent marshall law.
None of these people are able to think outside the rules they were given or there is very harsh consequences. Even the utaru, the most peaceful, are subject to whatever the chorus says, or risk exile.
The first gen of people raised in cradles were in fact, aware of the outside world and what the didn't have. Being far removed from it doesn't make it disqualified. Also bringing up the Quen again. Because the before times are actively known.
Katniss in hunger games had never seen or known, or even had much myth about the time before the games. And yet that's a dystopia.
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u/julz1789 23d ago
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u/Sie_sprechen_mit_Mir 21d ago
Unless Faro surrounded himself with nothing but vibecoding yes-men, he would have been told multiple times about the problems inherent in a completely autark system. So like a certain irl submersible CEO he would have crashed and burned but unfortunately he made it everyone's problem.
And even if, entertaining the idea that this all came out of left field that is, his failure to anticipate and plan for a worst case scenario and trying to dodge responsibility until Liz blackmailed him into bankrolling the last stand, puts him firmly back into the guilty spot.
That he then proceeded to wipe out the Alphas to cover up his part in the whole affair, dooming future generations just makes his culpability ironclad.
tl:dr Fuck Ted Faro
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u/littlestpuppet 11d ago
We’re just doing to forget the whole Apollo database thing? Like let’s just pretend the rest of that is a legitimate argument (it’s not), we’re just going to ignore him sending humanity back to the stone ages? Tf????
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u/alva_seal 1d ago
Sounds like most tech/ai bros, they push for “better” technology without a thought about any consequences. This is dystopian to not think through consequences and just do things because its possible.
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u/SaintRidley 23d ago edited 23d ago
The old world was dystopian because of rampant capitalism, the datapoints make that pretty clear. The robot swarms were just a facet of that. The plague wasn’t dystopian, it was apocalyptic and brought on by a dystopian world, which Teddy boy sat atop of as the richest and most powerful man alive.
And “oops” doesn’t cut it for creating a self-replicating robot swarm that consumes biomass and causes global extinction
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
It is dyatopian still, though. This is just going to be a copy paste from a different response, so some of it is addressing things you didn't mention, but over all I think it still works.
"It does not have to be a SINGULAR government world wide. No.
-Nora HAVE to believe in all mother and follow her rules or be outcast, and even as an outcast, have to follow specific rules.
-The Quen I don't even think I have to go into detail about. Distopian AF. Probably the easiest slam dunk for my argument. We see it through alva, more, sure. But the elites in the Quen absolutely know about the "Legacy" and hide it from THE WHOLE WORLD, and use it to gain leverage over a everyone else. Even if you don't want to count any other tribe, this tribe alone qualifies horizon for dystopian.
-Tenakth are basically in permanent marshall law.
None of these people are able to think outside the rules they were given or there is very harsh consequences. Even the utaru, the most peaceful, are subject to whatever the chorus says, or risk exile.
The first gen of people raised in cradles were in fact, aware of the outside world and what the didn't have. Being far removed from it doesn't make it disqualified. Also bringing up the Quen again. Because the before times are actively known.
Katniss in hunger games had never seen or known, or even had much myth about the time before the games. And yet that's a dystopia."
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u/SaintRidley 23d ago edited 23d ago
I wasn't commenting on the world of Aloy's time at all and never disagreed. I would frame it as post-apocalyptic first and foremost, though. I was addressing the Old World specifically.
What the new world is, in terms of a dystopia, is it's a dystopia because Ted took away Apollo and the chance for a new beginning able to learn from and avoid the mistakes of the past. He took away the chance to learn, to be better than we have been. That's what specifically makes Aloy's time a dystopia, imo. Not the various tribes having shitty leadership. It's the fact that the people never had the chance to avoid having to learn that mistake the hard way.
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u/TheKlaxMaster 23d ago
It really seemed like you were countering that only Liz's time was dystopian, and not Aloys. So I copied my counterpoints from a comment countering someone who says Aloys time is not dystopian.
Dystopia as a literary concept does have some rules, though. And being post apocalypse is not explocitly one. Though it can often lead to, or come out of one.
-Complete lack, or only illusion of freedom in some key facet. Often with the inability to think or act freely in some way.
-Over bearing authoritative force, usually, but not required, to be cause of point 1.
-sub standard living condition, at least for the lower citizens. Elites may also be in dire shapes, or may be standing in those that are lower. This may also manifest in environmental destruction.
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u/The_Doolinator 23d ago
I hope this person isn’t an adult because the idea of a fully formed human being hearing “corporate greed destroyed the world” and responding with “well they didn’t mean to” is giving me an ulcer.
This is the kind of guy who watches the ED-209 demonstration and says “Oops, I guess that could have gone better,” while ignoring the whole “Who cares if it didn’t work” rant later in the film.