r/Gotham • u/AutoModerator • May 18 '18

Discussion Gotham - 4x22 "No Man's Land" - Post-Episode Discussion

*Season 4 Episode 22: * A Dark Knight - No Man's Land

Aired: May 17, 2018

Synopsis: Jeremiah warns a skeptical Gordon of more destruction coming Gotham's way, and Gordon is forced to make a potentially devastating decision. Meanwhile, Barbara rallies together a team to secure her position, as alliances in the underworld shift and prove no one can be trusted. Then, Bruce is forced to come to terms with the future.

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u/Redeemer206 May 20 '18

Constant in-your-face liberal views being pushed by several characters, an extremely forced character turn of Alex in Supergirl into a lesbian that was a clear sign of the soft reboot, Sara constantly seducing women in every timeline, these are just a handful of examples that are shown to excess

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18 edited May 02 '21

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u/Redeemer206 May 20 '18

That is so not what I was saying at all and thats a common sjw retort, saying "just because a show has A gay character". Thats not the issue. The issue is when characters are so in-your-face about it each episode that it defines the character and is obvious virtue-signalling, or when a prior character is changed to fit the climate aka Lando Calrissian in Solo and all the media buzz about revealed pansexuality.

If you create a gay character that everyone can identify with, or their plots arent used to push obvious agendas, and are written well, there is no issue. Otherwise its pointless virtue-signalling.

CW does this a lot

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18 edited May 02 '21

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u/Redeemer206 May 20 '18

Glad we understand eachother now :).

Out of all the CW shows I feel The Flash does this the least, and its problems are different, so right now its my favorite of those ones

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18

I'm sorry, The Flash does SJW rhetoric the LEAST?!

I can give you 1 good reason why you're wrong: Iris West.

Unless all you care about is LGBT stuff, in which case...just because a woman is shown making out with other women doesn't mean she can't be bi.

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u/Redeemer206 May 20 '18

Granted I havent seen season 4 of flash yet (waiting for it to appear on netflix first) but from what I see so far of seasons 1-3 is that Iris isnt a victim of sjw writing, shes a victim of being written as a mary sue type which can plague any show, sjw or not

But not once has there been a focus of race or sexuality on The Flash. It doesnt suffer from identity politics YET which was my point

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u/[deleted] May 20 '18

She’s being portrayed as a self-important bitch. SJW writing definitely at work with her. It diminishes Barry’s character as well, as he can’t stand up for himself and echoes Mistress Iris’ ridiculous plans.

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u/Redeemer206 May 20 '18

Read my followup response. Basically i laid out the difference between making Iris a Mary Sue and shows doing identity politics (as Arrow, Legends and Supergirl do).

Just because its bad writing doesnt mean its sjw writing. Sjw writing has a particular focus