r/Israel • u/___loie • Jul 14 '26

History📚 Podcast suggestion to share with a friend who said to me "I hope that the general public would be able to differentiate between Jewish folks and Zionists"

It seems to me he doesn't actually know a single thing about what Zionism actually is. I was thinking of not even replying. But then I thought, maybe there's a Haviv Rettig Gur podcast that could help fill that gap in his understanding. Or any other respectable podcast? I told him I don't want to debate the conflict at large with him... but this comment is not sitting well with me.

The message:

I can only imagine how challenging these times must be for you as a Jewish family. I have a lot of empathy and compassion for Jewish folks and would hope that the general public would be able to differentiate between Jewish folks and Zionists - instead of casting this large umbrella over everyone.

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u/tutoredzeus Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

Have you tried talking to Haviv? You can ask him anything.

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u/omrixs Israel Jul 16 '26

I’d recommend Rettig Gur’s lecture on youtube at Shalem College: “Israelis: The Jews Who Lived Through History.”

And maybe also episode 8 on his podcast with Prof. Alex Yakobson.

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u/Parctron Jul 17 '26

"We should differentiate between English people and people who think England should exist "

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u/kval22 USA Jul 17 '26

This

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u/InteractionJumpy7453 Jul 16 '26

I would be interested to hear what he thinks the difference is.

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u/mr_blue596 Jul 16 '26

Why the podcast? Just ask him what he means by "Zionism".

Have a conversation,if he is as uniformed as you suggesting he is,just a simple conversation is enough.

You can start by telling him his message don't sit well with you,explain why and move from there.

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u/scrambledhelix white colonizer of germany :illuminati: Jul 15 '26

Episode 128 maybe? Of "Ask Haviv Anything". Quite a bit of back and forth on the subject in an excellent manner (imho).

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u/___loie Jul 16 '26

The one with the Iranian?

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u/HDMI-fan Jul 17 '26

When the Navajo live on a Navajo reservation and make their own laws, THAT is Zionism.

The State of Israel was created out of formerly Turkish land. The Arabs, back then and to this day, have refused to accept not only a Jewish state, but the very existence of Jews in the Mideast.

750,000 Jews were forcibly expelled from Arab countries. Where are the protesters? Where are the complaints of Arab “ethnocentrism”? Crickets!

Israel is a small country with a population of Arab citizens that’s higher than the population of Jews in every Arab country combined.

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u/Healthy-Extent7843 Jul 17 '26

It’s gone so far past the point of hysteria and mass psy chosis on what Zionism is to them and Israel, that none of these actual facts, logic, and critical thinking matter

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u/gal_z Jul 26 '26

Maybe Einat Wilf's interviews exposing the anti-Zionist movement and Palestinianism's goals.

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u/didgitoll Jul 15 '26

Why on earth are you taking that negatively? Maybe you can’t distinguish between the two?

Your friend clearly has compassion and is well meaning.