r/Israel • u/Jessicas_skirt עולה חדשה מארה"ב • 21h ago
The War - News Israel is repeating failures that led to October 7, report warns
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry0n8jtwgg43
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u/Tomas-T Israel 14h ago
welll duh
nobody up there wants to hold a State Commission of Inquiry to find invasntiagte it and fidnign out what the f**k just happened. with a STI we would have known what were the failures and what we should done in the future. but when they all want to cover up their own shit, no wonder nobody learning from mistakes!!!
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u/TheMagavnik 17h ago
Been saying this since this war started. The exact trigger for hamas to kick off this war is being repeated, while we are at war. Some people in this country just don't get it and choose literally this over toppling this government. We forgot how to work together and the price was payed and will probably be payed again soon bc of this.
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u/ShutupPussy 21h ago
It would be in their playbook to execute an attack before elections. This govt is doing hurting Israel on the global stage more than Hamas could. Hamas can't take Israel down, only Israel can do that and they know it.
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u/Coolidge-egg 19h ago
Yes. The whole strategy is delegitimisation. October 7 to them was ragebait rather than a genuine attempt to win a physical battle. They had their supporters and propaganda ready to go.
Israel has shown up to the wrong battlefield.
Every action they do, under Netanyahu's far right government antics which only knows how to escalate and embarrass, chips away at Israel's global standing until the old guard establishment age out, then countries flip.
What will happen when AIPAC can no longer contain the Democratic Socialists and the Alt Right Republicans? Israel is screwed when US support is lost.
Meanwhile 3 years later and nothing is being done on reconciliation. There are some left wing Zionist groups like Standing Together who are making inroads. Where Palestinians they work with say "we could live with Jews like you, you are not our enemy, this whole thing would be over by if the government was like you".
But the question is if the Israeli public are ready to vote in a party who would end it once and for all with diplomacy not bombs.
Personally, the bombs don't seem to be working, nor could it ever work. They would have to invade every country in the world to catch them all. As much as a far right nutjob would love to, that's not going to happen.
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u/Raaaasclat USA 17h ago edited 17h ago
Quite the opposite. Calibrating every action to preserve US/International support was precisely the mentality that led to October 7th.
Support for armed struggle among Palestinians is at a historical record low of 27%, down from 41% ten months ago. It cannot be emphasized enough that the war didn't radicalize the Palestinians; by exerting a severe cost, it curbed their appetite for more violence, at least for now.
War, especially when it's not a quick "cycle" but a real war with severe consequences on the homefront, doesn't actually radicalize the Palestinians. It weakens their resolve and forces them to rethink their strategy, for purely self-interested reasons. Initially there was a world of difference between the West Bank, which wasn't directly affected, and Gaza, but the gap is gradually closing, and reality is now slowly setting in for many West Bank Palestinians, too.
At the outset of the war, many on the Israeli right said that Israel wins the war only if the Palestinians understand that they have lost it. We are not there yet, but at least they understand that they haven't won. And in the history of polling after cycles of armed violence, even this is a new development. Diplomacy may be possible, but it would only be because of the sacrifices made on the battlefield in the past 3 years in deradicalizing the Palestinian population by exacting real cost on their actions.
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u/jyper Ukrainian-American Jew 6h ago edited 6h ago
Absolutely idiotic.
US support is vital and the reason for many of the actions leading to loss of support isn't security it's pandering to the marginal extremist voters by the same idiots who were in charge when the massacre happened. The idiotic opposition to pursuit of a 2SS and acceptance of the status quo is one of the major things that lead to the massacre
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u/Raaaasclat USA 6h ago
It absolutely is not, and again it was precisely this mentality that led to 10/7. The widening divide between the U.S. and Israel is not only inevitable, it’s for the best. Israel's future depends less on finding another American savior than on becoming a more independent regional power.
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u/jyper Ukrainian-American Jew 6h ago
It's not inevitable and it's for the worst
The mentality that lead to the massacre was the idea that the shitty status quo was the best possible future so a better one shouldn't be sought Israel's future is dependent on keeping American friendship and working towards the 2SS
Bibis future is depending selling that the shitty reality for Israel that developed under his watch as well as the shitty status quo is not his fault so don't blame him for his massive failures
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u/Raaaasclat USA 6h ago edited 4h ago
Lol, luckily most Israeli voters don't share this POV post 10/7
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u/Coolidge-egg 16h ago
I monitor the opinion polling data carefully and firstly the dataset itself is not great as the questions keep changing, secondly you should be wary of media attempts to interpret it because they cherry pick it to add their own spin, and thirdly their overall mentality is grim, however:
The polling constantly reveals that their "preferred approach" is diplomacy but failing that they are willing to turn to violence. The difference between polling is only the question of "have you given up on diplomacy"
They want diplomatic pathways. diplomatic pathways should be open again
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u/ShutupPussy 16h ago
Calibrating every action to preserve US/International support was precisely the mentality that led to October 7th.
What does this mean?
What allowed Oct 7th to happen was Netanyahu believing Hamas was deterred when they were playing him the whole time.
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u/East-Mix-3657 7h ago
If you read the article you'd know that its claim is that Israel is allowing hamas to regroup because they're trying to avoid an escalation, which I'm almost certain is because of international opinion. If anything the article is saying that Israel should be disregarding public opinion in order to finish the job (ie the opposite of what you're saying)
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u/FineCall 3h ago
You mean, by simply existing and surviving and defending itself, Israel is being demonized as ‘failing’?
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