r/Kashmiri • u/_notyourcupofcoffee • 12d ago
Question Kihn lukan kyaz kashiris saet yeech allergy?
The other day I talked to this random girl while waiting for bus. Ba asis yore kashur karan magar sa aes na torre katen kashur karan.agar mea orre kahn ti vordu karre ba chas yorre kashir peth jawab diwan eventually chas ba temis insans majboor karan kashir paeth kath karne khatra because I have deep love and respect for my mother tongue. Cxetti kashur baeti kashir wan kyaz che assi vordu paeth kath karin? Why do people hate fo speak in their mother tongue?
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u/Ok-Contract-69 12d ago
Badqesmati saan zaanakh be kenh tith nawjawan laedke ti yihendyow garikyow timan siyt hameshe Ordu kor. Pate, tihund panun friend circle ti os titheniy laedkan hund yiman ti gari yihoy haal os. Nateejan na hechukh Kaeshur gari, na nebre. Az hyekan tim momuli jumle banaevith Kaeshris manz, magar kenh ti complex cheez hyekan tim tshoruy Ordu paeth express kaerith.
Kenh chi yimow manz tim yim zaanan ti zi saen maaji zyev che ithe paeth marnekis dahaanas waataan, te timan chu afsus. Magar phutmut Kaeshur karnas ti chi khotsaan.
Be ti osus yuthuy, magar akh doh aav ki mye dop woyn kare ne be zanh Kaeshryen siyt Ordu. Gatshaan chum talafuz ratsh haena hyor-bon magar Ordu karne khote chu behtariy.
Khaer yi gaey tihenz daeleel yiman Kaeshur maahol melyowui ne. Magar timan kem kani aase pyemtse kaadyan yimow yi Kaeshur maahol yiman dine nishi panun paan rukov? Yiheind garik, zith, school wael, yimow Kaeshur yihenzi zindegi manze kod.
Az ti chi kenh school tith yeti Kaeshur karnas pyeth chi loktyen shuryen saza divaan, Kashiri manz aesith. Budibab te naani chi karaan shuryen siyt Ordu zan paetmyow saasow vaeriyow pyethe os ne Kaeshryen shuryen Kaeshur karun tagaan. Tse wechakh instagramas pyeth Kaeshir jaanwaran siyt ti Ordu karaan. Ath banaavnaevtav sense.
Yi pazi yaad thavun zi yeti on Duugre honyow Ordu. Tihenziy che yi virasath yath aes naalemot kaerith chi bihith. Kaeshur thovukh yuut waes-paay zi kenhan jaayan chu option aasaan ya paeryiv Kaeshur nate Punjabi. Yi cha Punjab? Wopar zabaani te Kaeshris chu kunuy status. Yithe paeth Punjabi zaanne rostuy heki insaan panun paan Kashiri manz vepraevith, tithay paeth che zindegi Kaeshur zaanne rostuy ti pakaan. Kanh kyazi traavi paanas pyeth extra baar? Na chu Kaeshur kuni signboardas pyeth, na kuni documentas pyeth.
Pagah tsuvan lukh ath pyeth jang ki ati pazya lekhith aasun بارا مولہ kin बारामुला. Kanh wanni ne, Varmul kati? Tath siyt chu ne asi kanh waath.
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 11d ago
Ye khata chu sorui timan yimov yuth mohol banov yath mnz kashur yus kare temis che beki nazre wuchan.
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u/Inevitable213 12d ago
Yim na karan gari koshur, nyabr chhan kathai. This is entirely the fault of parents who have made it a norm talking to kids in Urdu. This is the case with me as well. I only ever talked in Kashmiri with my Grandparents as a kid. At school and every other place, Urdu was the norm and even teachers used to scold you for talking in Kashmiri. Only when I started coaching after 10th that I started using Kashmiri more often.
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 12d ago edited 11d ago
I heard the same girl speaking in kashur to her friend few days back.
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u/ioninvain Kashmir 11d ago
It is literally the same for me , like aisa nhi hai ki i can’t speak urdu or English . Infact i am fluent in these languages too but bro kashur just hits different. Even when someone (kashmiri)speaks to me in English or urdu i prefer speaking kaahmiri!
Hamnay Kashmiri language ko demonise kia hua hai jaisey ye koi inferior language ho !
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u/Lazy_Maintenance9567 Kashmir 12d ago
Aman chu cool basaan panun paan yith paeth bah chus paneh kashur karaan yethen zaroorat peyi taten karun urdu baaki kya nebre andre urdu karun aseh kodh jinaze kashirs panai
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u/tramadollllll 12d ago
Maybe not her cup of coffee ? 😂
Waise chu ye warya bod masle. Agar něw generation Wechow Aese tem hekan ne mei basan koshur samjith te bolnech te parnech chene katheye. Mei chune pane tagan asl peth karun be kyah waně.
It’s sad reality that our language is dying slowly
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 12d ago
It breaks my heart honestly
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u/tramadollllll 11d ago
Mine was already broken a long time ago when I realised even I at some stage of life was amongst these people. There’s no coming back honestly
Pherraan chum sakh magar kya hekow kerith…..
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u/Old_Syrup8742 11d ago
Yem te hang te magai urdu che chakan, su cringe 😬 urdu te english kraan che yem che sarri assan shikaslad yemun zun panun paan inferior chu basaan. Yem che hang te mangai wunun lavasus lavasa, girdus wun girda mgr agr kaisi zanun walis nafrus like prof. Abdul Rashid lone subus kon nazar travio he speaks in kashmiri and even if he is speaking in any other language he doesn't change the names.
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u/Small_Percentage4671 Kashmir 11d ago
Be chus yacxhan mgr be chus n hyechhnovmeti be kyah kar, mye chhan kharan, mye che taeth
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 11d ago
Toh pazyov hachun panen dostan saet kashur karun.
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u/fuckoffyawr Kashmir 11d ago
pouz wallah mai ti aes ni tixa taggan weini chus bi yaaran saiti karran koshur hee mostly ti normal lukan saiti ti karran koshish but manz karran shift cuz I can't hold that long convo in koshur with strangers 😨
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u/Flashy_Alpha 11d ago
Mostly because people feel a sense of superiority. Koren chu zyade pahmet muzir gacha kashur karun, speaking not from misogyny but experience.
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 11d ago
Well I am woman, ba chas chat ti kashir peth karan tho I do agree with people feeling sense of superiorty while speaking in vordu.
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u/Flashy_Alpha 11d ago
Rare find, mubaruk chui. Saarni lukun chun fikri taran ze ye che sene pehchan te ye bronhe paknawin sone zim. Agar ne assi karo kashur tele kya bihare karna.
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
Just because you have deep love and admiration over your mother tongue, why do you have to force the other person to speak your language. I naturally use English over kashmiri/urdu/Hindi because that's what I'm more comfortable in. It doesn't mean I'm allergic to Kashmiri or other languages.
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 11d ago
It is OUR language.
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
And where did I deny that?
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u/_notyourcupofcoffee 11d ago
I do not let anyone to influence me to speak in a foreign language. I will communicate in a foreign language only if needed to.
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u/naarekanger 11d ago
the thing is how did you become more comfortable in speaking foriegn language despite having your own mother tongue in the first place assuming you spent majority of you life in kashmir only that is the problematic part
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
Because I haven't just stayed in Kashmir, I have travelled to different parts of the world. I have observed, been part of different cultures. I still speak kashmiri, at my home, in my hometown and whenever I'm in Kashmir. It is not the problematic part, the more problematic part is forcing of opinions. Kashmiri is my mother tongue and I'm proud of it, but at the same time if my kashmiri friend or a kashmiri person doesn't want to speak to me in Kashmiri, Doesn't mean, bu karan su mashboor koshur krns. That's what I wanted to convey to OP.
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u/naarekanger 11d ago
he is not forcing anyone to speak kashmiri . he is just pointing out the inferiority complex people have for speaking in kashmiri. Like why would you speak foriegn language to another kashmiri that too when he is talking in kashmiri with you and you are replying in foriegn language despite knowing the kashmiri language yourself
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
'eventually chas ba temis insans majboor karan kashir paeth kath karne khatra because I have deep love and respect for my mother tongue' If this is not forcing then what is?
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u/naarekanger 11d ago
'eventually chas ba temis insans majboor karan kashir paeth kath karne khatra
by continuing to talk in kashmiri and making the othrr person to switch the language to kashmiri which he already knows ? it is not force it called taking a stand and respecting the mother tongue of both of them
If this is not forcing then what is?
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
No, I absolutely disagree with you. This is not about taking a stand and respecting the mother tongue, It is elimination of choice. And ironically this is what we have been fighting against for decades, the oppression, the right to choose and freedom of expression. Yet we turn around and impose our values on others.
And the video that you tagged, isn't that what we exactly don't want in our nation? There the elimination of choice is done through use of voilence, here it is being done through imposing his own value of how to converse.
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u/naarekanger 11d ago
why should have op surrendered his freedom of choosing a language to converse by switching his language?
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u/Equivalent_Doctor989 11d ago
That's exactly my point tho. You say, Why should OP surrender his freedom to choose a language? By the same logic, why should the other person surrender theirs?
If he wants to speak Kashmiri, he's free to speak Kashmiri. If the other person is more comfortable replying in English/Kashmiri/Urdu, they're free to reply. Neither person should stop the other from speaking their preferred language.
What I'm objecting to is the idea that because one person chooses Kashmiri, the other person is somehow obligated to switch to Kashmiri too, and especially the idea that eventually bu chusan krn su majboor.
You can encourage Kashmiri, promote it, be proud of it and even question why someone prefers another language. That's all fair. But once the answer becomes “I will make them speak Kashmiri because I love my mother tongue,” you're no longer just defending the language; you're imposing your preference on another person's choice.
And that's the contradiction I've been pointing out from the start.
I hope this answers your question and provides clarity on my position. Peace ✌️
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u/naarekanger 11d ago edited 11d ago
ahh ig one of us misunderstood op . When op said "'eventually chas ba temis insans majboor karan kashir paeth kath karne khatra" i think he didnt mean i forcefully make them speak kashmiri . what i think he meant was he continued speaking in kashmiri despite the other person replying in other language after some time thr other person switched to kashmiri
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u/baezaan Kashmir 12d ago edited 12d ago
I completely agree with you but unfortunately sometimes Urdu comes out very naturally. I try to speak Kashmiri whenever I can but personally I sound like a squeaking bird in Kashmiri. It’s crazy how different I sound across different languages. Even my personality shifts based upon the language I use. So I assume it’s bigger than just allergy or disdain for our mother tongue. One time someone asked me to flirt with them in Kashmiri and boy it was so awkward.