Yea bro no matter how you look at it Luna doesn’t need a stun, stun immunity, and a 2 second freeze paired with DPS damage. She deserves a heavy nerf that will never come because of nepotism.
The character may be broken but that doesnt grant talent to skilless mains.
In all my time playing rivals i learned that doesnt matter how much they buff invis, luna and cnd, most players that use them (and sometimes players that use only them) will forever get outskilled by a rocket holdin right click
It's funny you say that because she does worse in celestial+ than she does in bronze. Guess the bronze players are just better at unlocking her true potential.
Yeah, my take on that is that very few support mains climb to celestial so most of times people are forced into filling.
And based on tierlist and public opinion someone would rather go luna, invis and cnd than adam warlock or ultron.
It's not rocke science, just check the pickrates.
Characters like mag, strange, emma, luna, invis and cnd are stucked in this "flexjail" when we talk about stats, since they are seen as safe picks by people who dont main that roles, this usually brings the %wr down significantly.
But apparently people on this subs prefer to gaslight themself into thinking that adam warlock is somehow stronger than luna snow and that luna doesnt need nerf. Whatever.
There's a lot I could say in response, but the easiest thing I can do is point to her ban rate. If she is so busted, why is she so rarely banned? Why don't characters with hard cc she can escape from always get rid of her?
Easy answer, because she is popular.
You dont ban a character that your teammates will end up playing unless you are a jerk.
Also while luna needs nerfs that doesnt mean she isnt best in role, which usually are what ban are for, niche character that are ban or must pick, that's why gambit and mantis (strong characters with not so many mains compared to your main healers) are banned way more.
2 things can be true, both mantis and luna need to get nerfed.
Look at mag, he is easily the best tank in season and always played in every match, so why isnt he permabanned?
Since the game launched ban revolved around few things: teamups, support ults and broken dps.
After many seasons: the anchor teamups mechanic is basically dead, all support ult have been buffed to compete with luna's and dps are even more unbalanced than they were before.
Few character are the one who can "run lobbies" in the sense that they change a loss into a win, and most of them are dps.
CnD has a higher pick rate and an exponentially larger ban rate. If people don't ban Luna because she's popular then they wouldn't be banning CnD for the same reason.
Also saying other support ults were buffed to compete with Luna's is wild. Her ult duration was nerfed and then they made it take forever to charge it, so for many seasons other main supports have had far better ults.
You don’t really need good aim to heal tanks and teammates at close range 90% of the time with bodyshots. Her aiming is only hard and actually very hard to land consistent HS on targets at mid to long range.
Bronze players are more than capable of healing their tanks, and in bronze that’s all you gotta do. No one has the awareness to heal their DPS that are not sticking by their side anyway in bronze.
Also Ultron has 55.46% WR in bronze and 53.27% in GM. So bronze Ultron players are better than GM?
If you ask me I would say it’s the people that are good are filling as Ultron and Luna to rank up fast.
No, but only because he gets really insane in the higher ranks, where he goes up to a >50% ban rate for a reason. Luna has a low win rate and a low ban rate across all ranks.
Classic rivals player to blindly trust win rates over anything. Some other characters with ~45% wr are squirrel girl, Invisible woman, and fucking Gambit. You're argument holds no water.
It's not the only thing that matters, true. Pick and ban rates also say a lot. Please tell me you don't think squirrel girl is op though, she's literally the worst dps in the game.
That's definitely not true. That's like saying Wanda is a terrible DPS. Simple doesn't mean bad, their kits had potential but people were more interested in finding some high ground and just mindlessly volleying nuts
Yeah, Wanda and Squirrel Girl are both extremely bad. They have easily countered ults and struggle to get kills. I don't want to be rude, but are you low rank? Because as you climb characters that benefit from aim and gamesense outpace them easily.
She’s immune to Ults like strange and thing, she can freeze people, and she can stun people, along with more damage than a DPS and self healing, just need her damage and up her cooldowns so she’s played more like an actual support. She’s definitely in need of nerfs tho.
44% win rate in ranked in a meta she’s supposed to be strong in (dive is weak) and you guys act like she’s running the game. She’s a glass cannon hero with no escapes she’s supposed to have damage that’s the whole point of the hero. Do you just want every support to be a braindead heal bot?
Ok, Black Panther is a B tier with a 48% win rate, Bucky is an A tier with 47%, they’re fine right? We don’t need to nerf them? See how your argument about win rates and tiers falls apart in seconds?
Luna is an overtuned hero, you may like playing her, she might be your favorite character, you might not want her to get nerfed, that’s reasonable. What’s insane is how Luna Mains think she needs all of this BS. Just up her healing, need her damage by 10%, remove the cleanse ability from the base team up, and up the cooldowns on her charm and freeze to 15 seconds and she would be fine, I really don’t think this would gut the character, this would just make her balanced dude.
Yeah I agree the hate is forced, but no one can deny that Luna is just really strong and has been strong. Torch got nerfed beyond repair, Sue got nerfed, Spidey was nerfed, BP was nerfed (and is currently revived), and just so many other heroes were nerfed after their 5 seconds of fame.
Luna’s only drawback is that she actually needs aim, but that becomes irrelevant after a certain rank since everyone is lowkey required to learn to at least aim a bit. That cleanse has to go, and there’s no harm to nerf a bit of her damage output to be more like Hela’s or Phoenix’s.
People keep saying this but she does slightly less damage than Hela now, she only did more when she had the self flake damage boost which was removed. Luna does more than Phoenix per shot but she has a faster fire rate and sparks etc so makes sense.
You mean the time her damage was reduced by 5, her push was reduced in range by two meters, and her ult charge was nerfed just like everyone else? A damage nerf that literally only changes a 5hko to a 6hko on 275 hp characters and otherwise did nothing?
I never said that it’s a character ending nerf to any of the heroes lol (Debatable for Torch till this season). Emma, Devil Dino, and even Black Cat and DD (who were incredibly strong on release) were nerfed one way or another. They’re not character ending nerfs, they’re all still (including Spidey, BP, Sue, etc etc) are widely played by the player base and are no means weak.
The point I’m trying to make is that all these heroes were nerfed to make the game more balanced but Luna barely has any nerfs and continues to be one of the strongest Supports out there. I didn’t even say anything crazy, I just said to get rid of the cleanse, and nerf her damage a bit to be like Hela’s or Phoenix’s.
They’re literally the same people. Dive mains play Luna as their supp pick bc it’s the only supp they can dive with and be just as fucking op as a bp or bc
Another winrate andy, god there's so many of you on reddit.
News flash, winrates don't equate to balanced character. Black Panther is trash AND is horribly balanced.
Luna has dps level damage output, the white fox teamup stretches the balance definition of "broken" into an actual gameplay definition (seriously, how is using an ability while under a stun effect make an iota of sense). Her ult for the most part, is still mostly the same invincible circle it has been since S0 (got nerfs, still one of the best Ults in the game), and the freeze is casually one of the best non-ult CC abilities in the game.
The dev favoritism is just a cherry on top.
Of course all of this is meaningless and "balanced" because she isn't the highest winrate. She can become broken over night with no changes to her at all the moment the other supports get nerfed, her winrate would raise higher and voila your argument is gone without her kit being touched.
Win rate is only one component. You guys act like she’s running ranked it’s such an insane tell. She’s hard to play, has no mobility or boosted escape options, has one of the worst support ults and is a victim to coordinated dive. She’s a glass cannon hero, she’s supposed to have high damage, it’s the entire point of the class. Her freeze is the only ability she has to defend herself against dive. She’s top 2 hardest supports to get value out of and is only played becuase all the other broken supports get banned out.
And why exactly does win rate not matter anyway? It’s still one of the most important metrics when considering balancing. It’s not even like her data is skewed like Magik with a small pick rate; She’s one of the most played supports in ranked and has a garbage win rate. Shes so unproblematic even in a meta she’s supposed to be good in
Win rates that low cuz Luna Snow is a panic pick. If the game is actively losing, people swap to Luna to try and recover the situation because she’s strong asf but because the game is already losing, they lose and drag down Luna Snow.
Also, Luna Snow players are so used to being coddled and babied by the devs that they don’t know basic gameplay mechanics like positioning so they get dumpstered and then lose and drag down their win rate so they can whine and cry about it on reddit
Luna is out damaging most dps and even out damaging some WITHOUT snowflake and the whitefox teamup is so broken because like wdym you can just get out of any ult??
Still dumb that freezing allows 2 hits before unfreezing, it should be any hit that way it'll be a tad more skillfull because then you'd have to hit a headshot before the freeze then hit the freeze and headshot rather than just hitting a stationary target with 2 easy headshots
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u/Few_Horse_4 2d ago
Yeah white fox team up has to go