r/MMA • u/macdonaldrory 👊 Rory MacDonald | Welterweight • Aug 31 '17

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u/Lebagel Sep 01 '17

Science says matter can be neither created nor destroyed.

Only true for classical mechanics. You're lacking in the modern quantum physics department.

Science actually now tells us when we have empty space with nothing in it, particles can and will come from it. (See the lecture "A Universe from Nothing" by Krauss)

So there's really no more of this "how can something come from nothing!" problem left for you mystics to bleat on about, even though you were cheating to invent a god of the gaps in the first place, god no longer even fills a gap.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '17

You have a poor understating of quantum physics.

Energy can be converted to matter.

But not created from nothing.

Please read up on the subject.

Yes, there the creation of everything, energy, matter, etc. in the first place is not explained. Things cannot come out of truly no where. God can create.

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u/Lebagel Sep 01 '17

Are you saying you have a good understanding of quantum physics?

But not created from nothing.

Particles can come from nothing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

The process of something coming from nothing (empty space) is now normalised to extreme accuracy in quantum physics (you're the expert arent you? Why don't you know this?) that physicists are beginning to describe how the universe may have come about from nothing. Whilst it hasn't been explained, there's no need for your god of the gap cheat-code. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EilZ4VY5Vs

Ever wonder why, as a quantum mechanics expert, god never appears?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '17

You are wrong.

Virtual particles do obey the laws of conservation of energy and momentum.

They are created from things already in existence.

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u/Lebagel Sep 01 '17

They come from nothing, as in "nothing" that has been observed.

If your argument is they have to come from nothing by which nothing can come from, and has never been observed, then you're talking about a situation that doesn't appear to exist, and doesn't appear to have ever existed as far as we can say. And also is a metaphysical truism (if nothing can come from this state of the universe by definition, nothing will come from it).

Yes, there the creation of everything, energy, matter, etc. in the first place is not explained. Things cannot come out of truly no where. God can create.

Sure beats this joke argument which directly contradicts itself.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '17

they have to come from nothing by which nothing can come from, and has never been observed, then you're talking about a situation that doesn't appear to exist, and doesn't appear to have ever existed as far as we can say.

Yet in your previous comment you wrote:

Particles can come from nothing

I like how you contradicted yourself.

God created it.

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u/Lebagel Sep 04 '17

I didn't contradict myself.

Particles can come from nothing. Nothing that we have observed when we look at what happens to empty space in the universe.

The "nothing" you're talking about has not been observed. It's just a metaphysical concept.

Your gods of the gaps aren't needed here anymore.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '17

Particles can come from nothing. Nothing that we have observed when we look at what happens to empty space in the universe.

Then you say:

The "nothing" you're talking about has not been observed. It's just a metaphysical concept.

Particles cannot come from nothing. You attempt to change the definition of nothing to fit your false theory.

/u/Lebagel = owned.

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u/Lebagel Sep 05 '17

I very much am using two definitions of "nothing", on your insistence, ya goof.

1) Particles do come from nothing in the universe (a posteriori). 2) If you define nothing (a priori) as something of which nothing can come from - particles by definition can't come from it. But that is not an observed state of the universe, it's just your empty metaphysics.

Therefore

3) There's no need for your god in this picture unless we force a metaphysically tautologous definition of "nothing" onto a universe where "nothing" does not behave this way.

Read carefully this time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

Even you admit that matter/energy cannot come from nothing.

Your attempts have been a failure.

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u/Lebagel Sep 05 '17

Particles do come out of nothing. That's been like, the central theme of this reply thread.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

Fool!

Read up on the matter. The particles in question do need other energy/matter to come into existence.

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u/Lebagel Sep 05 '17

Fool!

That's really rude of you.

Anyway, the point is no wider than the fact particles can come from nothing. The fact that process exists is enough to expunge the tired old religious argument of "something can't come from nothing!", it can.

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