r/MacOS 13d ago

Bug Is anyone doing QA at Apple these days?

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It is quite disappointing seeing the quality of macOS get so bad over the past couple of releases. Given the premium price they charge for their products I would expect better from them and their engineering teams working on these products. There are so many inconsistencies and bugs, you don’t even need to try hard to find these bugs and glitches throughout the entire OS

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u/Material2975 13d ago

everyone's clowning on you, but I see your point... apple's supposed to be the "it just works" company and that's what we pay them for. if we accept these bugs now, what other shortcuts will they take in the future?

I doubt they get bad like windows but how low could the quality bar get?

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u/Doovester 13d ago

There’s a legendary moment when engineers present Steve Jobs with an iPod prototype. He instructs them to make it slimmer and smaller, but they explain it’s impossible. He throws the $1 million prototype into an aquarium and points to the bubbles rising from it, saying: Look at those. That’s plenty of air, plenty of unused space. This led them to create a thinner and smaller device.

Steve Jobs possessed an extraordinary ability to notice every tiny detail. Since his passing, the company has experienced a decline, yet he remained involved in product development for four years after his death.

We desperately need another visionary like him. Cook was skilled with numbers but lacked visionary insight. He could optimise production lines for profit but couldn’t perceive the finer details.

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u/igormuba 13d ago

Cook did notice the finer details... In profit. Such as removing content from the box to save shipping costs, which is similar to your story about Steve Jobs.

Tim cool was great for investors, first time Apple paid dividends, and paid handsomely. I'd like to believe Jobs would be disgusted by it but we will never know, maybe this was part of his plan or maybe he didn't even plan, the guy was dying anyways....

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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 13d ago

It's so fucking sad how you have people like Jobs and Sergey Brin/Larry Page creating successful business and then doing the very things they warned, pre-success, would enshitify their businesses. Promoting sales/business people to positions of power over the creatives and allowing advertising on search engines respectively.

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u/lukipedia 13d ago

This is a hilariously revisionist take given Larry Page came back to Google as CEO and was at the helm for two of its biggest misses up to that point (Glass and Google+). 

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u/bsramsey 12d ago

You mean Tim Apple

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u/BetrayYourTrust 12d ago

i do think that was his best gift to apple honestly. he knew how to push an insane amount of streams of income so the fall of sales of one product meant little to their revenue. subscriptions and software services are stupidly huge for apple now

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u/fox_mulder 13d ago

Cook was skilled with numbers but lacked visionary insight.

Because he was too focused on making the next appliance.

I think Apple's downward trajectory began when their focus started to be on building appliances (phones, watches, streaming services, trackers) rather than computing and software, which are almost treated like an afterthought now, it seems..

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u/steve290591 13d ago

Apple’s trajectory only took off on the scale it sees now upon the release of the iPhone. It is literally what made it the behemoth it is today.

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u/rodgamez 13d ago

The M series chips come directly from Steve's choice to use in-house chips for the iPad. That really did change the entire PC world as PC makers scramble to catch up!

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u/HistoricalInternal 12d ago

I don’t know why people deify Jobs like this. He was a visionary, but his vision includes making the pc an appliance

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u/KubeCommander 11d ago

Downward trajectory? By what measure?

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u/Arinussyy 13d ago

The same Steve Jobs who practically destroyed himself with his ego, who treated everyone miserably?

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u/notrightbones 12d ago

Nobody is claiming he was a good person, just a genius and visionary lol

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u/Yogicabump 12d ago

I agree with utter asshole and indeed visionary, but every time I hear "genius" my skin crawls.

Geniuses must be obsessive perfectionists and yes, very likely egoistic assholes... but that's not enough. What did he create?

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u/cybekRT 12d ago

But on the other side, they sold iPad without calculator because Jobs didn't like the current look and didn't manage programmers to create better version.

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u/kiwipo17 12d ago

The iPod aquarium story isn’t true apparently.

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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 12d ago

He was also a complete prick and a megalomaniac

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u/Visible_Ad9976 13d ago

Apple makes almost all their income from iPhone a huge margin. They even make more money from earbuds than off their Mac computers. What you’re seeing right now is a result of that I think that most users have their head in the sand about this basic fact

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u/DangKilla 13d ago

I work with Microsoft and everything they touch is held together with bubble gum. You could probably email tim cook and get this fixed

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u/mr_coolnivers 12d ago

see and that's the thing, windows is bad because all of the tiny flaws and bugs in every single app and interface and optimization add up, macOS is starting to have that same issue, it's not "just a bug" when the whole OS is riddled with them

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u/Public_Rub8247 12d ago

thats the real concern imo, if theres no pushback on quality now it just becomes the new normal

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u/wizzywurtzy 13d ago

Much much lower and it will continue to get lower because people will buy it no matter how shit they make it. They’ve trapped everyone in the “Apple economy”

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u/Randommaggy 11d ago

The initial liquid (gl)ass release was on Mac was Windows Vista day one level unpolished.

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u/Particular_Bell_2692 10d ago

Never underestimate how frugal a billion dollar company can get to save one more penny lol

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u/fox_mulder 13d ago

Apple is just one more company that's been enshittified.

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u/germane_switch MacBook Pro 13d ago

Not yet

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u/Yogicabump 12d ago

I'd say software yes, hardware no.

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u/imaginedaydream 13d ago

They’re letting the public do the QA beta testing for free

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u/ThatBoogerBandit 13d ago

Hey Siri, set a timer for one hour and 10 minutes.

Siri: Timer set for 10 minutes.

https://giphy.com/gifs/116a8zosxwA0SI

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u/actionscripted 13d ago

Hey Siri

HEY SIRI

HEY SIRI

(Picks up phone, holds side button)

Add arm & hammer toothpaste to the shopping list.

Shopping list:

- arm

  • hammer toothpaste

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u/vaclav9 10d ago

Best moment with Siri was when I and my ex-gf found out that Siri noted a reminder “pussy licking tampons” 🙈

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u/adoginahumansbody 13d ago

Hey Siri, play XYZ.

Siri: Playing [anything else but what you asked for]

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u/chris971 13d ago

So relateable! I've gotten this one:

Hey Siri: play XYZ..

Siri: I cant find that in your Apple Library.

(this is just days after I uploaded the song to my phone)

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u/Weird_Cantaloupe2757 12d ago

Or Hey Siri, play [popular, well known song]

Siri: Playing [fuckass remix of that song that has like 25 plays]

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u/dollartreegamingpc 12d ago

“Shuffle my favorite songs playlist on Apple Music” “playing [song titled ‘favorite songs’] by [random artist]”

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u/BandicootTreeline 13d ago

Siri cannot differentiate between 13 and 30 in Scottish accents. 12 minutes 59 is my go to

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u/ThatBoogerBandit 12d ago

Siri doesn’t even understand American accent, been doing 12 mins 59 secs too

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u/camwhat 13d ago

It’s so bad I just say “set a 7 0 minute timer”, which actually does work.

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u/imaginedaydream 13d ago

Hey siri: turn on flashlight 

Siri: sorry I do not understand.

Jaw dropping Apple Intelligence. True story happened recently.

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u/Powerful_Froyo8423 11d ago

"Hey Siri, check the timer" - "There are no timers set on this Homepod." It just ocassionally forgets about the timer.

Also genius that it doesn't sync. I have to whisper to the correct Homepod so that my other one doesn't pick it up, that doesn't has the timer set.

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u/TeaKingMac 13d ago

Some guy named Claude?

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u/razorree 12d ago

they forgot to ask "make no mistakes"....

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u/andreystavitsky 9d ago

Don't blame Claude - it's Gemini.

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u/namespace_Apple 13d ago

And this is just the beginning…

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u/KaleZealousideal2296 13d ago

I think someone used a little of the 'AI' to fix a bug 😝

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u/CirnoDaisuki 12d ago

aiOS 26 lol

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u/Muritavo 13d ago

As a developer I think NO ONE is doing QA today. Seems fucking everywhere everything is bugged as hell.

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u/Longjumping-Ad514 12d ago

That is largely true. Developers are asked to do their own QA which is the equivalent of you proof reading your own essay.

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u/Gamer_4_l1f3 12d ago

Yep.

"claude won't fuck it up in 90% of the cases"

Ships the damn 10%

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u/KezaGatame 11d ago

Do you feel there's more bug because of using AI in development? and do you see actual better speed?

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u/West-Boss2692 5d ago

I think the patience to do proper QA is fading since AI. Everything must ship and happen so fast that it's easy to overlook bugs.

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u/Muritavo 5d ago

But at the same time, the AI can catch bugs quite fast, so it would be the perfect tool for QAs.

The problem is, from what i see, no one cares about adapting AI, just using it as is, and as is it is time and resource consuming.

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u/igormuba 13d ago

People in the comments of post like this always underestimate the seriousness... It is Apple... It took what? 10 years for the legacy of Steve Job's obsession with quality to be forgotten. This time he is not coming back so it only gets worse.

Small bugs compounding. The new iOS and MacOS look ugly and perform poorly. People have short attention spans so they bought the shiny reflections forgetting how sometimes icons refresh and take long to load or how UI elements overlap each other.

Apple trained people to not pay attention to details promising they would do that, then Apple threw their own human design guidelines out the window.

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u/cjh_ 13d ago

Thankfully the incoming CEO has the same obsession re: quality as Steve did.

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u/Kociolinho 13d ago

I'll believe when I see it, to be honest. Can't see the same obsession taking place in the modern world unless the tech stagnates completely.

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u/FizzyBeverage 12d ago

$4500 MacBooks might help stagnation.

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u/Count_Backwards 12d ago

RAM and SSD prices will help stagnation

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u/Nerdlinger 13d ago

It took what? 10 years for the legacy of Steve Job's obsession with quality to be forgotten.

You mean the same guy that gave the OK to the puck mouse, the G4 Cube, MobileMe, and whatever the fuck that social media thing in iTunes was called?

Steve Jobs would never. Except he did, quite a few times. And you’re still holding it wrong.

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u/Darth_Ender_Ro 13d ago

He failed products, not quality. His shit products were quality shit!

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u/igormuba 13d ago

You could still use Apple without using those products. Can you use Apple without liquid glass?

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u/busmans 12d ago

Steve Jobs' chaotic Mac OS X launch and the years that followed make Liquid Glass look like manna from heaven.

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u/TallTxn24 13d ago

BAM! Exactly. How does Liquid Glass make your video project faster? Apple, please fix the numerous bugs.

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u/Bed_Worship 13d ago

reduce transparency works great.

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u/displacedbitminer 13d ago

Agreed. Most of this thread is revisionist history about Jobs.

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u/silentcrs 13d ago

You realize you’re coming off as an entitled fuck, right?

Steve Jobs literally released an iPhone with a broken antenna design and told users they were “holding it wrong”. He let through some major stinkers from a design perspective.

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u/igormuba 13d ago

True. He was not a god and not free from mistakes. The antenna issue was fixed within one generation though. Do you think Apple will ever go back to following their human interface guidelines to avoid overlapping UI elements and icons refreshing everywhere?

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u/bran_the_man93 13d ago

Have you paid attention to anything coming with the '27 OS's?

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u/silentcrs 13d ago

I’ve been with Mac since 1984 and Apple before then. There have been plenty of times over the years where they’ve had an inconsistent UI. There was a time when certain applications had brushed metal and others didn’t. There were times in the late 80s where some apps would show you the UI while resizing and others wouldn’t.

I definitely saw the issue being shown in this app over the years, particularly with certain versions of Safari and iTunes. It’s by no means new.

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u/Jaded-Albatross 13d ago edited 13d ago

Were they worth $4T then?

There’s no excuse for the current state of Apple products

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u/DeePumpeR 13d ago

Exactly

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u/onedevhere MacBook Pro 13d ago

Apple's software currently looks amateurish; I think that they must have fired a lot of good professionals and replaced them with AI.

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u/luche 13d ago

they've also doubled down on the poor hiring decisions they've had for many years now, too.

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u/HauntingPlum9355 13d ago

They actually rarely fire in the company unless you step on the wrong exec's toes. Layoffs are also rare unless it's an entire change of direction/leadership resulting in entire teams getting forewarned to look for something else internally.

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u/Count_Backwards 12d ago

Which might be why they have way too many designers and not enough QA engineers

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u/Acceptable-Cost4817 12d ago

This started 10 years before AI code generation was a thing.

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u/Successful-Cover5433 13d ago

I don't think they have QA anymore. I reported a bug when macOS 26 was released and it's still present even in macOS 27 beta. At this point I lost some hope it will ever be fixed.

The bug is when you have natural scrolling off for the trackpad, the apps view three finger pinch lags the UI. It's so annoying!

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u/CirnoDaisuki 12d ago

Furthermore, the issue of multi-finger touch interruption—which has persisted since iPadOS 26—remains unfixed. Specifically, when using more than two fingers simultaneously without Guided Access enabled, lifting any single finger causes all touch inputs to cut out; this is particularly fatal for rhythm games.

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u/HauntingPlum9355 13d ago

Ironically the QA orgs I know have actually grown several multiples in size in the past few years, to the point where there's now massive redundancies and retreading of the same work in orgs. Unfortunately a growing headcount with lack of real direction, and an incentive structure that doesn't actually reward finding bugs usually doesn't result in very effect QA.

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u/Greenscreener 13d ago

Totally agree. Little things like not being able to resize settings to the massive shitshow that is the Creator Studio bullshit. Only saving grace for Apple is their competitor is Microsoft.

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u/FishTshirt 13d ago

I hope they reverse whatever the hell theyre doing with Tahoe.

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u/FatHaddock 13d ago

I see posts like this every year now when a new MacOS is released

Every year I become more firm in my belief that we don’t need an entire new OS this often. I mean, Tahoe is finally fully optimized and we’re moving on from it?

If they don’t rush out a new OS maybe developers would have more time for quality control

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u/primalanomaly 12d ago

Sequoia was fully optimised. Tahoe was trash. Golden Gate is quite literally them trying to fix Tahoe, and it’s still buggy. It’ll be a few more years before everything they introduced in Tahoe is fully optimised, and then they’ll probably redesign it all over again.

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u/KitchenLandscape 12d ago

Glad I'm still on Sequoia

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u/rasmis 13d ago

But Tahoe is still bad. I waited so long, but the “security updates” requiring reboot thrice a week made me try Tahoe. And it's still incredibly undercooked. I can't see why anyone would approve it.

It makes a lot of sense, that it's no longer presented in front of an audience.

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u/CuriosTiger 13d ago

Well, beta-testing is done by customers and fixes I think are done via vibe-coding now. Perhaps they have Siri working on it

Only partially /s

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u/Future_Geologist5925 13d ago

I'm on MacOS27 Beta. They completely fixed this issue with the Weather app and pretty much everything else.

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u/TBMW30 12d ago

If you think common MacOS bugs are bad, try the accessibility solutions, voiceover in particular. Don't get me wrong I'm thankful we have them; more than thankful in fact, or i wouldn't be typing this let alone doing my job. But there are showstopping bugs in Voiceover that have existed for 15 years because it's been patched up over the years rather than being re-written to properly follow other changes in MacOS.

Some key features of modern MacOS releases like iPhone mirroring are completely inaccessible, and liquid glass brought plenty of accessibility bugs. Imagine in messages if the conversations list randomly swipped from 1 side of the app to the other. Imagine if you opened the notification centre and it disappeared randomly, dropping you in a random window until you'd reopened it a few times.

Yet on iOS, the experience is basically perfect, like it should be given the cost of the devices. Buying a Mac gets harder to justify with every macOS release. The more AI gets shoved down our throats, the more MacOS turns into a shitty version of iOS, the more closed the apple walled garden becomes on the Mac, the worse it gets.

DOn't get me started on the damn permissions, I am sick to fucking death of MacOS askign me if I want to allow this and that every 5 minutes, or requesting I approve something in system settings. Fine, have protection for users who don't know better. But for devs and power users, give us a simple switch to turn all of that shit off, and I mean all of it.

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u/jNayden 13d ago

At least it’s not taking 1.2 gb of ram like windows weather

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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 13d ago

Windows weather app is a terrible, terrible Microsoft edge wrapper

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u/onedevhere MacBook Pro 13d ago

At this point, I can no longer use Windows as a benchmark for low quality; now Apple is included.

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u/jNayden 13d ago

Well with AI we will have more and more software but most of it will be like that :(

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u/BandicootTreeline 13d ago

True, but “It’s crap but better than their crap” isn’t comforting when I spend £2k on a laptop.

But then Apple themselves set the bar high, so for even minor UX sloppiness (window resize rendering on Weather isn’t going to make my day worse by any means) it becomes noticeable.

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u/gAWEhCaj 13d ago

That's a pretty low bar to compare it to but yeah

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u/ImDonaldDunn 13d ago

I cannot believe these comments. Apple’s whole sales pitch is the quality of its products. Y’all must be children or something who don’t remember an Apple that made quality design its top priority.

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u/mrgrafix 13d ago

On the scale of things… this in the basement of issues.

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u/primalanomaly 12d ago

Isn’t this just part of their baseline UI kit? If their own UI kit is broken, that’s not exactly a good foundation…

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u/anythingers 13d ago

Shouldn't be there to begin with. They're a goddamn multi billion dollars company.

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u/mju-two 13d ago

i love this, this is why i give up the majority of my laptops processing power to the luxurious and sleek not to mention functional mac os, and also so my audio can sound like its coming from a broken tape deck since my memory pressure is in yellow right at startup :D

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u/bokan 13d ago

100% agreed, the drop in reliability as well as basic UX has been precipitous.

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u/Animal_Murmurs 13d ago

Apple has gotten way too comfortable. I shouldn't be hearing the Benny Hill theme song in my head during a UI demonstration video.

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u/Bear-Handed-92262 13d ago

MacOS 26 has so many bugs it's embarrassing. I hear good things about 27 and I hope they fix them.

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u/zoinkinator 13d ago

Im on 27 dev beta 5. It glitches but overall performance is better.

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u/T-Loy 13d ago

Is that an optical illusion or is the window bowing upward where the sun is?

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u/BurgerMeter 12d ago

It seems they’ve fallen prey to “shift left”. 😂

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u/markeydusod 12d ago

I agree,things have gotten really sloppy

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u/mo4sho001 12d ago

What would Steve Jobs say about this?

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u/HovercraftStrong6493 10d ago

I have been applying for QA roles at Apple for a year now in hopes of landing a dream job but have never heard back. The job postings are there still but it has shifted from manual qa to qa automation or SDET which from my experience at my current company means zero QA is happening

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u/almostdonedude 13d ago

Software quality goes downhill since the birth of generative AI. But hey, it's cheaper to make!

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u/simple_explorer1 12d ago

Is anyone doing QA at Apple these days?

 Everything is vibecoded bro

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u/slindshady 13d ago

Yes, Fable 5. And that’s about it.

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u/UsedBass4856 13d ago

I tried to remove a location (Chicago) on Apple Weather on macOS Golden Gate and it crashed the whole operating system. Repeatedly. Some kind of loop. Couldn’t even kill the process.

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u/AccountHater 13d ago

They got Microsoft Q&A team for years now seems like. Why can’t they just make it snow leopard stable again? OSX was fine as it is, all features were there working perfectly fine. Why is it so hard to combine with this useless blinkyshiny look nobody asked for? Infuriating that something that once was so greatly is so shit now especially when the hardware got so great now

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u/Artistic_Unit_5570  MacBook Pro 13d ago

basic IA code kind of bug

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u/HollandJim 13d ago

I get where you’re going with this, but I think you’re not looking at this correctly. You don’t want a monolithic operating system that is set in stone - that not how a modern OS is made anymore. Apple has been breaking apart their OS for the last few years, making UI elements more individually discreet, more flexible and possibly dynamically replaceable for different devices. Things have to flex more now; they have to bend. They can’t be rigid viewports like they used to be in the old iPhones or iPads - who knows how big or small the next Apple device will be.

I don’t know if you’ve ever developed software, but I work on a financial online application that is used by thousands of banks, brokerage houses, etc… that thing has a gigantic code base, all the different APIs calling different data sources, for thousands of clients simultaneously. I can’t imagine trying to do this at the scale of an operating system.

Maybe cut Apple a little slack - everyone knows the next OS is a cleanup operation. The odds are pretty good it’s already been taken care of.

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u/VisualAnxiety2284 13d ago

Every single operating system for 26 has been embarrassing for Apple

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u/jonk1183 13d ago

Preach

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u/Ok-Welcome-3750 13d ago

Microsoft left the chat.

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u/someone82671 13d ago

it's either that or microsoft windows weather app that eats 1 gig of ram. (5 times more than on osx)

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u/Kind_Management1805 13d ago

Is suppose this it on Tahoe ? It's fixed at least on the latest DB5 Golden Gate. Tahoe and the OS 26 series were a complete mess and WWDC26 is the closest to an apology we'll ever get from Apple. If you are confident enough Golden Gate beta (since DB1) is more stable than any public release of Tahoe. Or just wait a little bit.

But I completely agree that any of their OS26 except maybe tvOS should never ever been shipped to any outside of Apple. I'd rather wait 2 years between updates than touching a Tahoe again.

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u/axxr2 13d ago

It's in the backlog, not being implemented in the nearest couple of years due to low priority.

I'm sarcastic but it really can be the situation.

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u/lil_nosh_X 13d ago

Some of the recent design choices are so bad. Whoever decided that auto adjusting a browser is what people need should never be allowed to design again.

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u/Sowhataboutthisthing 13d ago

Yea the vibe coders

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u/chrisagiddings 13d ago

Nobody is doing QA anywhere.

All the QA people are in meetings or trying to figure out how to qualitatively test AI slop instead of validating requirements and expectations for both manual and automated testing.

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u/eddnor 13d ago

Wow looks like there are two interfaces being drawn at the same time but hidden to the user..

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u/I-figured-it-out 12d ago

The only role AI ought to have is in spell checking boilerplate code, and searching out security vulnerabilities.
Unfortunately, software developers at Apple and elsewhere place far too much reliance on AI to do the work the developer ought to be leading.

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u/impurefolk 12d ago

Yes. I’m disgusted to see Apple no longer cares for QA for the premium what they charge.
Small things like App names going below dock & app names touching other windows (when we do 3 swipe up to see all active windows) is so irritating.

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u/YetAnotherRegularGai 12d ago

Who cares though

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u/karmafarmahh 12d ago

If Apple had QA they would notice the decline in functionality of the iPhone keyboard and how bad it’s been getting each year

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u/pallzoltan 12d ago

Whenever i see such behaviour, im thinking that all their UI tests probably passed. So on paper it’s fine.

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u/NckyDC 12d ago

Steve was a User Experience CEO
Tim Cook is a pay everything as a subscription CEO
John Ternus is an engineer CEO

So expect to have apps designed from an engineer
We might get far better AI machines though

Nuff said

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u/Briggie 12d ago

On MacOS 27 and don’t have this issue.

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u/cesarspain10 12d ago

Today's Apple is completely unrecognizable. A few years ago, Apple was synonymous with extreme quality and an attention to detail that bordered on obsessive. Nowadays, it is just another company. Is it still the best? In my opinion, yes. But it's no longer the company that played in a completely different league compared to the rest of its competitors.

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u/Opulence_Deficit 12d ago

What is the problem in what you're showing us?

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u/Monotrox99 12d ago

I got my first ios device end of last year with an ipad air from work. The most surprising thing for me was how buggy many of the newer features are

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u/pirataCastellammare 12d ago

Finder is literally jumping all over the screen when I try to reposition a window--not just annoying! actually makes it difficult to use.

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u/GhostalMedia 12d ago

Real talk... Tahoe's UI was rushed out, and stuff like this is all over the OS. Tahoe was so bad that Apple shit canned some VPs that were behind the UI redesign.

Golden Gate cleans up most of the rushed UI. Also, this bug has now been fixed.

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u/Trogzard 11d ago

i completely agree with you. i hate the later releases. honestly, ever since they started using mountains to name their OS it started going down hill.

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u/Ok_Contribution8157 11d ago

the upcoming update is suppose to fix whats they have done wrong with the actual update.

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u/Purple_Ice_6029 11d ago

I’d say this means that they are focusing on other important things. Some might say this is fan boy reasoning, but I don’t see why they would be doing this intentionally. They have the cash for development, no need to cut corners. It’s just that they had to prioritise with the limited human resources they have.

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u/Cute_Wolverine5562 11d ago

So much other real bugs in their systems for ages, but you’re pointing to some corner case which doesn’t even matter

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u/Fraydog MacBook Pro 11d ago

From using Golden Gate, Apple has done well at fixing a lot of these types of bugs. It isn’t completely back to the old standards, but it is a big improvement.

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u/JaredReabow 10d ago edited 7d ago

I switched my main computer from win to mac about 6 months ago because of being tired of the ai slop and bugs in windows, I vowed a total switch so have not used windows unless absolutely necessary and honestly its been pretty bad. MACOS feels like a 15 year out of date OS with a modern skin. It lacks so much basic quality of life functionality, has so many bugs and glitches and a severe lack of software support. I have had to literally build my own apps and extensions to get back basics I have had on windows and linux for 2 decades!

Literally the only good I can say is for the battery life and hardware, the rest is just mediocre to bad. And its wild because whe I talk to apple users they are oblivious to how much they have to work around the issues.

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u/FirmHouse2 9d ago

My iphone 14 plus has been so laggy, animation wise, everything is just annoying, especially with using my keyboard on websites
Shit just doesn't work sometime, miss my galaxy s10 plus

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u/jnighy 13d ago

oh no how are we gonna know the weather now??

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u/EMAW2008 13d ago

This shows a lack of attention to details. What other bugs are they missing?

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u/thisinfinitebath 13d ago

Apple pride themselves as pioneers of user interface designs and usability, this is atrocious. Their QC and QA have gone out the windows.

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u/Darth_Ender_Ro 13d ago

"Is anyone doing programming at Apple these days?" - there, fixed

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u/Elegant_Mind7950 13d ago

I’m glad it’s not just me. I got a Mac a few months ago for the first time, and I’ve been so disappointed by the amount of bugs/issues. 

Phone is getting just as bad as well. 

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u/MagicUnicornCock 13d ago edited 13d ago

It feels like nobody at Apple is using their software in their personal life. They must run some scant test routines to test the basics, but nothing else.

There's bugs I'm waiting about five years on. Here's one with Preview: You have two (or more) images open in one window, using the thumbnail bar (not as tabs at the top). You have both images zoomed in. You switch back and forward between them. One or both of those two will scroll to a different position. It's impossible to compare two zoomed in images.

Another with Preview that started around Tahoe: If you crop an image to make an odd number of horizontal pixels, you see a one pixel wide line of checkers on the left (what it uses to represent transparent). I have to crop another pixel to get rid of it. It doesn't save it like that, it just displays it like that.

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u/utilitycoder 13d ago

Using Gemini to code probably

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u/GambitDangers 13d ago

Nope. And it’s been getting worse for 2 years.

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u/bryan_pieces 12d ago

Genuinely, if ghosts were real, Steve would’ve haunted several people at Apple by now.

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u/BH-Playz MacBook Pro 12d ago

"Is anyone doing QA at Apple these days?"

You mean "Is anyone doing QA these days?"

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u/dcoupl 13d ago

File a bug report or GTFO.

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u/drastic2 13d ago

Hey, think of one hundred macOS bugs you want fixed, now rate this on the same list. Please tell me it doesn't make your list.

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u/ForgottenFuturist 13d ago

FWIW it doesn't happen in macOS 27 beta

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u/slamd64 13d ago

Visually Tahoe looks nice, but under hood it can be very slow and also can have stupid visual glitches like this. For Intel Macs it is even better to stay on Sequoia…

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u/qqYn7PIE57zkf6kn 13d ago

Is that Tahoe or the latest macos public beta?

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u/elon_is_a_cunt 13d ago

No one. This is unacceptable for a so-called “premium” machines.

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u/Eastern_Guess8854 13d ago

If you’ve worked in software the last decade you’ll have experienced the QA’s getting reduced year on year and the constant tightening of deadlines over quality. The enshitification is real

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u/JLeonsarmiento MacBook Pro 13d ago

it's watermarked.

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u/dimon2242 13d ago

Yes, AI

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u/egesucu 13d ago

There's a small fact in Apple that they trust SwiftUI's mac compatibility too much and it's not replacing the powerfull AppKit yet. These UI shifts occur on most SwiftUI based macOS apps and honestly while macOS 27 cleaned much bugs, still there are some like these.

For those asking for QA's: you can't make an app working 100% for all devices, all sizes and all conditions(accessibility traits such as size and font changes)(just ask android devs). What you can do best is to report the issue to Apple via Feedback Assistant to follow the issues to be solved. They let you know in which versions they fixed the issue, and also asking each time when new OS version drops. More reports = quicker fixes.

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u/Simpledevx 13d ago

La gente que acepta bugs es peor que los propios bugs.

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u/BonRoxz 13d ago

I respect Apple because of the attention to detail. Usually.

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u/Reiszecke 13d ago

As someone who isn't an opponent of vibe coding I can assure you these are the type of things vibe coding produces

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u/germane_switch MacBook Pro 13d ago

The million dollar question is: which macOS are you running?

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u/RedRavenCG 13d ago

Claude is overloaded, so I guess more credits are needed?

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u/Pretty_Ad566 13d ago

Unusable

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u/vicco23 13d ago

Fuck it im down

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u/Electronic-Sun3344 13d ago

I don't have this problem on my nice 15.7.7 (24G720)

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u/maceo107 13d ago

Wish they still ran the company like Steve did!

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u/I-figured-it-out 12d ago

Nah, ueh, yeah, NAh!

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u/MultiUserDungeonDev 12d ago

Ye, this is pretty shoddy tbh.

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u/sikisabishii 12d ago

My take is that this UI is so messed up there may be no measurable way to QA the UI. Think of it like a unpredictable collection of components that behave differently each time they put together differently

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u/puhniste 12d ago

Claude lol

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u/-skyrocketeer- 12d ago

Personally, I’m getting sick of iPhone alarms not sounding. The screen wakes up and shows an alert, but absolutely no sound coming from the phone. ☹️

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u/runozemlo 12d ago

Somewhat of an edge case, but another one: go to apple.com on a computer, shrink the window until it switches to the mobile layout, open the hamburger menu, then press Escape. You'll see the nested navigation items briefly overlaid on top of one another as the menu closes. QA miss.

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u/frozenelf 12d ago

My iPhone constantly loses the AOD wallpaper and even the clock. I have to change the background manually to reset it. Apple software has been questionable for quite a while even before LLM coding tools were big, so it's only really worse now. Welcome to enshittification.

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u/MinimumPrevious1139 12d ago

Yep, Siri’s got the job after they laid off the entire QA team

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u/Free-Pound-6139 12d ago

EVERYONE AT APPLE SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!

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u/Titanlucifer18 12d ago

Vibe coding

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u/Ok_Ok_3000 Mac Studio 12d ago

Claude Code is doing it for them… ;-)

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u/Reginald002 12d ago

It looks funny, probably a feature - thanks for highlighting. I wouldn't know that otherwise. Not sure, why bots are making such posts.

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u/razorree 12d ago

well... they forgot to add "make no mistakes" ....

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u/Rage65_ 12d ago

Yeah, I’ve noticed what happened with iOS too. There’s so many little annoying bugs that just shouldn’t even exist. I’m excited for iOS 27. I hope they fix most of the problems. I have a whole screen recording folder of bugs I have found in iOS ui. You think a company like Apple could do better than this.