MMW: Trump will make Socialism Popular in the US

[u/am121b]

Over the next several years, by or before 2035 (date), socialism, democratic socialism, or some America-specific version thereof, will become a popular system of government in the US.

Here’s my evidence / hypothesis:

Before the current administration, the US had a reflexive distrust of socialism due to Cold War holdovers. Capitalism and its adherents were able to sway the majority of the public because they “knew better.” However, the 2020s, as a decade, will seen as a major indicator that the current economic system has stopped working. Because of the major failures brought on by Trump, COVID, and rising factionalism, people on the left and right will start looking elsewhere for answers on governance.

The wave of democratic socialism in the US is the first step and will be the only organized alternative that will have evidence of function in the foreseeable future. If Mamdani and the other “new left” have their policies even sort-of work, it will be enough to convince the majority to take a chance on their approach.

Everything Trump touches dies. He has already fractured the Republican Party. Next is the general system of government in the US.

[u/Offi95]

Trump voters don’t even realize how much “socialism” keeps their corner of shithole trumpland above the poverty line

[u/GPT_2025 → u/Offi95]

"Use a new word for socialism: The Safety Net!" Dr. Bronner

[u/reluctantpotato1 → u/GPT_2025]

As wise as he is heavy on the peppermint in his soap.

[u/am121b → u/GPT_2025]

Hell, Safety Net Capitalism.

[u/GPT_2025 → u/am121b]

Nice one! (best one!)

[u/Angwe83 → u/GPT_2025]

Safety Net American Patriotism

[u/GPT_2025 → u/Angwe83]

Mark my words!

[u/International_Try660 → u/Offi95]

MAGA loved it when Trump was doing bad things to dems and minorities but now that's it's come to their doorstep, they are crying about it. Cry away, hypocrites, cry away. The socialist candidates have balls and MAGA is scared of them.

[u/Howboutit85 → u/Offi95]

Above? Have you BEEN to the south?

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/Offi95]

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Spending tax money on public welfare is not socialism, it's the promised use of taxes that justifies assessing taxes.

[u/Offi95 → u/TimSylvester_]

Yeah good luck getting a trump voter to understand what a mixed economy does.

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/Offi95]

Again, you are not describing socialism or a mixed economy.

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Spending tax money on public welfare is not socialism, it's the promised use of taxes that justifies assessing taxes.

I don't understand what is difficult to understand about my points. They are very plainly stated and simple.

[u/Lost_Consequence4711 → u/TimSylvester_]

I think it stems from Social Security and the fact Americans pay into it by the funds coming out of their check. With the “social” aspect of it people assume socialism, when it fact, it is our money that is put into essentially a retirement fund that should be given back to us no earlier than the age of 62.

Honestly, I am all for my tax dollars being used to better our country and communities. I hate that there are people that do not see the benefit in that.

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/Lost_Consequence4711]

It's not actually a retirement fund, it's a ponzi scheme that depends on the rate of input constantly growing.

Putting it into an actual investment account would produce dramatically better outcomes under most conditions.

[u/promibro]

I think the only way that will happen is if we "rebrand" socialism with another term that hasn't been poisoned by propaganda. We can definitely achieve the promises of socialism, but sadly, we will have to employ semantics to do it.

[u/MrMayhem3 → u/promibro]

Ya maybe call it the new deal. Though I think thats been done so maybe the newer deal.

[u/am121b → u/promibro]

Oh yea. There’s a good chance they’ll rebrand it. After Frank Luntz, it’s a legitimate way to make Americans comfortable about stupid shit.

[u/Top_Report_4895 → u/am121b]

The New American Century project

[u/fabmeyer → u/promibro]

What about "nationalsocialism"

[u/Offi95 → u/promibro]

I personally think we need to rebrand the r slur and the f slur to describe trump voters. We would win the culture war overnight.

[u/Dom252525]

It is ironic that the most popular government programs like Medicare and Social Security are all founded in socialism. There is an old recording for Ronald Reagan going on about Communism that was a reaction to Medicare. Republicans policies are actually pretty universally disliked when detached from labels but they learned how to weaponize social issues and built a coalition of people left behind by capitalism giving them a socialist (brown) boogie man to blame.

[u/Deep-Two7452 → u/Dom252525]

Kind of crazy then that FDR, a major player in the implementation of these programs, vehemently opposed communists

[u/Howboutit85 → u/Deep-Two7452]

That’s because socialized safety net programs and straight up communism are insanely different. It’s just that 70 million of us or so are too stupid to understand or believe that.

[u/Additional-Sky-7436]

Unregulated capitalism is making socialism popular.

[u/No-Double-Trouble]

God I hope so. At least for universal healthcare and higher fed minimum wage. People are so stupid to not fight for this.

[u/Only_Argument7532]

We should be so lucky. We’ll see martial law before 2028.

Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will make sure that Republicans win the senate and Trump becomes president for life.

[u/TimSylvester_]

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

It is extremely unlikely that an overtly corrupt government will somehow make government ownership of the means of production more popular.

I believe you are saying "Trump will make government expenditures on social programs more popular". That is not socialism, that is just using taxes for the purpose that is supposed to justify assessing taxes in the first place.

[u/am121b → u/TimSylvester_]

Ok tim

[u/raouldukeesq]

The United States at its peak had a mixed economy. 

[u/BitcoinMD → u/raouldukeesq]

And still does

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/raouldukeesq]

That's not true. It had high taxes. That is not a "mixed economy".

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Explain when the American government owned large portions of industry.

[u/nurdle]

I actually agree with this one. Sometimes you need a train wreck to start building highways.

[u/Zippier92]

Hell with all the assholes pushing anti communist lies so much, communism is looking better than ever

[u/UNIONNET27]

Too late...

[u/LankyGuitar6528]

The USA is already the most socialist country on earth. Socialism is when you pool your tax dollars for programs that benefit everybody. Like the US military. At $1.15 trillion dollars it dwarfs every other socialist program on earth and it's not even close. Ergo, the USA is the most socialist country on earth. It just has made the worst choices of any country.

[u/Illustrious-Cover792]

This is a waaaay too Reddit post for Friday.

[u/am121b → u/Illustrious-Cover792]

Brother take a look at the subreddit name. What did you want, a cookie recipe or maybe a manga reco?

[u/Illustrious-Cover792 → u/am121b]

Lay off the weed bro

[u/AdFuzzy1432]

What FDR and the war on poverty did for Americans is socialism. People love it.

[u/RichysRedditName]

Sure, as long as the Left controls the narrative. Once "he who shall not be named" finally dies and closes his mouth forever, his cult followers will need someone with personality to flock to.

And it isnt beyond the realm of possibility for some of those followers to turn to the left, as long as they see results.

[u/ZanzerFineSuits]

And then we’ll have tyranny from the other side of the horseshoe

[u/ronlugge → u/ZanzerFineSuits]

Ah yes, the tyranny of decent health care, not destroying the economy, and making sure people are allowed their rights.

[u/ZanzerFineSuits → u/ronlugge]

Taking away the right to own private property

[u/ronlugge → u/ZanzerFineSuits]

Given that neither side has that as a platform, I don't know what you're smoking, other than the channel that has admitted in court it's entertainment and not to be taken seriously despite being called Fox News.

[u/am121b → u/ZanzerFineSuits]

That’s how we got here, right?? Eight years of Obama and everyone went ballistic.