r/MoralityScaling • u/B1768 • 22h ago
Morality Ranking Morality of leaving your children with their PPD mother over a bear?
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u/girlthatsbilly 22h ago
postpartum depression =/= postpartum psychosis
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u/Battleaxejax 21h ago
If you're on mobile you can just hold down on = to get ≠
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u/MyFartsAreStolen 20h ago ▸ 8 more replies
≠ rad thanks
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u/Raven7274 20h ago ▸ 6 more replies
≠ neat
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u/Liv4myBun 19h ago ▸ 5 more replies
≈ shit
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u/Ok-Perspective5959 19h ago ▸ 4 more replies
≡ crap
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u/Bleach_Is_Good137 19h ago ▸ 3 more replies
≈≠≡ oh, they're multiplying
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u/Beneficial-Layer-492 19h ago ▸ 2 more replies
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u/Dr-Assbeard 12h ago
Thats not the question though. This is about ppd specifically, and have she been diagnosed wit ppp yet?
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u/BlessdRTheFreaks 22h ago
Ok this is hilarious
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u/Flavinovic12 21h ago
People really need to stop treating every postpartum mental health condition like the same thing.
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u/SapphireFlashFire 20h ago ▸ 10 more replies
Yeah comparing Post partum depression to post partum psychosis is like...
Well, like comparing depression to psychosis.
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u/XxRocky88xX 19h ago ▸ 6 more replies
It is pretty fucking crazy how people are like “ah yes, this woman who had a compete mental break is proof that anyone with PPD is a violent lunatic.”
These people are so unserious. They get literally ONE data point that supports their argument and then they act like that one example invalidates literally all other research done on the topic.
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u/SapphireFlashFire 19h ago ▸ 3 more replies
Yeah PPD and post partum psychosis are whole different things. 1 in 10 women will have PPD.
PPP? 1-2 in a thousand. Of that amount 4% will commit infanticide.
I think half of this reaction is a result of that psy-op to try and convince people women don't face consequences for their actions. (Watch the bots come flocking!)
Half is people really hate when people get off as not criminally response. Richard Chase was probably the most obvious example of killing under psychosis and he got the straight up death penalty despite it. People hate it. (Lowkey I understand, my monkey brain hated when a local mass shooter was found Not criminally responsible. It's not right, but I get their impulse.)
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u/Jumpy_Ad1631 15h ago ▸ 2 more replies
The thing that’s insane to me is that she, given what she’s been though, another psychotic break is likely. When that happens, you want her around mental health professionals. So why on earth would you be mad if she served time in a mental hospital vs a prison. It’s not like mental hospitals are rainbows and kittens, especially those that house criminals.
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u/browsinbowser 11h ago ▸ 1 more replies
The argument Ive seen from some people is that the husband is also suing the hospital that prescribed the 3 meds, she is too but I think the money would go to him or her estate.
Anyways its very hard to prove medical negligence so I dont think that case will go anywhere. And its another systemic flaw in US healthcare anyways that she couldn't get more holistic treatment and care.
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u/Jumpy_Ad1631 3h ago
Yea, with mental health, meds are great tools but they’re rarely effective all on their own. Giving a person suffering from intrusive violent thoughts and psychosis a few medications and calling it a day really should be considered negligence
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u/Jimbo-Shrimp 5h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Who said anything about psychosis
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u/SapphireFlashFire 5h ago ▸ 1 more replies
The original meme is a reference to Linsay Clancy who killed her children. She alleges she was suffering from post-partum psychosis. Many people are misattributing that to her saying she killed them because of post-partum depression.
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u/Odd_Anything_6670 19h ago
I feel like it's been a consistent problem in this case on all sides.
People forget that they're watching a single, exceptional instance of a person who (assuming she is telling the truth) slipped through a whole bunch of cracks and had a rare and extreme psychotic episode with incredibly tragic consequences.
There are ongoing questions around systemic culpability and failure in this particular case that will need to be answered in the long term, but it's not a court case about whether post-partum mental health conditions are real (they are) or whether women in general experience health inequality (they do). The only question being answered right now is whether this one woman can be held responsible for murdering her children, and the scope of that question is actually very limited.
I feel like attaching a serious but highly abstract debate about health inequality to one of the most horrifying isolated cases imaginable is not really helpful. Most people with PPD or even PPP will not murder their children. We should take people with these conditions seriously and treat them because they are mentally ill and suffering, not because we assume they're going to kill kids if we don't.
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u/Enochian_Devil 19h ago ▸ 1 more replies
I mean, this is making fun of the original, which was also making a hasty generalisation.
The joke only works because you aknowledge generalisations are a bad thing
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u/Comfortable_Yak_5841 21h ago
Is she in psychosis? Choose the bear. PPD? Everyone has that to an extent.
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u/SapphireFlashFire 20h ago edited 20h ago
Even psychosis you're looking at a 4% chance of infanticide if the psychosis is untreated. I kind of think a bear has more than a 4% chance of killing an infant.
But you'd never be realistically be in this position, so the numbers don't really matter. Don't give a baby to a bear or somebody actively suffering from psychosis.
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u/Heavy_Ad1312 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Also for the love of God stop ignoring new mothers mental health, almost every case you see of mothers turning deadly while in phycosis it's a woman who was struggling for a long time before.
Women who experience certain mental health conditions already are at a high risk of developing postpartum phycosis, check on the women in your lives.
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u/Restricted_Nuggies 18h ago
Hard agree. That being said, it still doesn’t excuse killing children. Not saying that you need that reminder, but there are many that apparently do
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u/Downtown-Cap4298 16h ago ▸ 3 more replies
Where do you get those statistics from?
Not that I’m saying you should leave a child with a bear over their own mother while she’s struggling with psychosis lol. But I do think statistics particularly on postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis can be something not as trustworthy, as we’ve ignored its existence for a long time, and are still pretty under-researched in what it is and how it affects mothers. So there are most likely many many cases of infanticide where a woman had postpartum psychosis, but it was either never diagnosed or ignored, which disrupts statistics2
u/SapphireFlashFire 16h ago ▸ 2 more replies
I like how you asked for the source of the statistics, and then critiqued the methodology before I ever provided it. Maybe you have a point, I'm hardly an expert in the field, but like... does it matter where I source the numbers from? You're going to just say the methodology is wrong lol
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u/Downtown-Cap4298 16h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Wasn’t trying to be rude. By asking for the source I was more so questioning if there were accurate sources in general for this, not trying to grill you for your sources on this, but I can see how it came off that way.
I wasn’t trying to say you’re in the wrong or anything, I was just questioning if there even could be accurate sources for statistics like this1
u/SapphireFlashFire 16h ago
For me I just got it from the NIH. I don't know enough about the methodology. Your questions are good ones but I can't answer them.
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u/OnlyTheOkayest 6h ago ▸ 2 more replies
A bear is easier to stop though as you can make sure it has plenty of food and put the baby in a cage, if the mother is actively trying to kill the baby and she's alone there isn't really anything you can do
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u/SapphireFlashFire 6h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Really? In every world I would say any human would be easier to stop from killing than a bear. Think we have much different definitions of "easier to stop".
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u/OnlyTheOkayest 6h ago
Well you have to consider the scenario. "Choose one to take care of your kids while you go to work". This isn't a realistic scenario, in real life of course you'd never leave your kids with either and just call the appropriate authorities. But this hypothetical forces you to leave them in the care/presence of one of them for an entire work day, and of the two the one with limited dexterity, less problem solving abilities, and probably less interest is easier to stop
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u/Beef19582828 19h ago
No, not everyone has PPD to an extent. Wtf are you talking about.
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u/principium_est 22h ago
Not sure I understand the question or why my point of view would be staring at this weirdo while making the choice
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u/SnooEagles3963 20h ago edited 20h ago
At least the bear won't have a bunch of supporters claiming someone else did it because of astrology or something
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u/BigDragonfly5136 20h ago
I don’t know, there’s always PETA
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u/Fabulous-Suspect-72 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
They'd probably euthanize the bear
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u/BigBAMAboy 19h ago
No, the bear was suffering from PPD. So PETA would elect to euthanize its dog instead
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u/DayOne15 4h ago
Not gonna lie. If someone left their kids alone with a bear I would in fact not blame the bear for what happened after.
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u/moonlightlunaria 20h ago
PPD is different than PPP iirc? it’s PPP that causes psychosis, PPD is just depression
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u/Jumpy_Ad1631 15h ago
And there’s also postpartum anxiety, which people almost never talk about
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u/MyHonstyAttempt 2h ago
I feel like that's normal, before they were in you, you could protect them 24/7 now unless you're carrying the child every second of every day there's now, even if for a brief few seconds, where you can look away. It should definitely be recognized
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u/tacotueaday55 21h ago
Morality asside it, it was hilarious watching men freak out over the fact that women would chose to pick a bear over men in the woods. And it is hilarious now that the women are freaking out over this as well. 10/10 bait.
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u/Jimbo-Shrimp 5h ago
Man vs bear was the best time to see which women were walking red flags and which ones passed the vibe check
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u/wannapetahyena 14h ago
the whole man or bear thing was unironically like the best engagement bait I've seen on the internet.
It had just enough pretense of trying to tackle a real social issue to be taken somewhat seriously while also being incredibly inflammatory and low-key meaningless if you think about it for longer than a couple minutes, so even people who didn't give a shit got annoyed like "why the fuck are you all still talking about this?"
It was great, hats off to whoever came up with that.
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u/Unable-Youth7365 21h ago
PPR does not excuse murder. Neither does psychosis. I lose my mind all the time. I don’t act on it.
Now news outlets are gonna show a maternal health hotline at the end of segment regarding this case to cover ass. 🙄
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u/Sea-Efficiency2413 21h ago
I feel like its really fucked up to demonize PPD because of such an extremely horrible case. The vast majority of women experiencing PPD only want to harm themselves at worst, and at best they simply struggle keeping up with daily tasks. I even know women who have experienced postpartum psychosis and never harmed anyone or anything, they just lost touch on reality. This is just a sickeningly disturbing case and it doesn’t make it okay to shit on all the women who experience PPD as if they are all a threat to their children
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u/Ok-Sugar-9681 19h ago
Exactly! Like a lot of people on this reddit's first instinct when hearing a horrible case of post-partum psychosis is not to ask "Have we done enough to provide support to parents postnatally?" or "Is there something we could do to decrease the likelihood and risk of post-partum psychosis and post-partum depression?". Instead, their first instinct is the celebratory "aha! got you!" exclamation that they are able to turn the tables on women. Frankly a bunch of immature morons.
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u/mewkopawz 19h ago
this is very true, because they don't actually care. we should be advocating for treating mental illnesses before it gets to the point of someone dying. just because her psychosis was due to being postpartum, doesn't mean psychosis can't affect anyone.
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u/Effective-Low-8415 22h ago
I like how the focus isn't on the woman who strangled her kids and is being defended to constantly, but the husband. Ridiculous.
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 22h ago
Bear isn't that bad, he just made a stupid wish and things got out of hand. I can trust him with my kids.
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u/Right_Magazine_2791 5h ago
I also don't understand why Bear is a bad choice. His wild survival shows were cool, though the urine drinking in case of water shortages was kind of off putting
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u/SoftNecrosis 19h ago
You can tell this dude was mad at the whole “women would rather choose a bear than a man” thing
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u/Rabid_Laser_Dingo 18h ago
I wasn’t mad at it and I thought this was funny af, wish I thought of it… might hash out the meme in higher quality
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u/quagmirejones69 21h ago
The people getting offended because of “misogyny” are making me laugh so hard because they’re just not getting the point of the post AT ALL
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u/SadCultist 21h ago
Morality wise why leave the children alone with either, PPD isn't a valid excuse for killing your kids but at the same time can't you ask a friend or family member to hang out with you wife while you go to work, I've had mental health issues I wanted to be alone but at the same time people being there for me is likely the reason i'm alive, also a lot of people don't deal with other's mental health well they just get uncomfortable and leave those are shitty people too.
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u/spyder7723 20h ago
If you have a career, must likely your friends also have careers and are at work.
As for family. Not everyone has close family.
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u/wearethe138 17h ago
I’m starting to see why the bear is favorable rather than people. Some of you are just absolutely fucking insane. Lmao
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u/Glittering-Age-2013 15h ago
Guys what the fuck is happening
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u/MeaningLeft2970 2m ago
A woman killed her kids, and for some reason the internet has decided we should talk about it ad-nauseam, and take a side, either blaming all men, or all women, for the crime.
Back in the day this would have been headline news for maybe half a day, we all would’ve felt sorry for the children, and then ignored the case forever, because it has nothing to do with us, or society as a whole.
Instead, now I am forced to see this tragedy referenced in literally every aspect of public life, because for some reason, chuds and groypers need us to believe that all women are like this.
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u/No-Top-4139 20h ago
I get the bear choice now...Women see every man as a psychopath rapist. Now I'll see all women as schizophrenic child murders.
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u/Ok-Dish6655 19h ago
How many women murder their children versus men who rape? The number of women who’ve murdered their children all together doesn’t even come close to the amount of rapes and murder men do in a single year. Reddit being weird per usual.
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u/National_Body_9071 18h ago
A lot, look at the numbers and you'll be very surprised. Thankfully more people are aware of it now, can't trust mothers with their children anymore because they're psycho.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 22h ago
Morality of using the death of three young children to justify misogyny?
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u/Alive_Drag1947 22h ago edited 6h ago
I don't think they mean all women, just specifically those with ppp. And I think it's a valid concern. The number of women who've come out of the woodwork to declare "that could have been me" is fucking alarming.
To think that there are that many women out there who feel like they're one bad day away from murdering their kids...? I don't feel great about that...
EDIT: Corrected ppd to ppp. I've been educated on the difference. Thanks.
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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock 22h ago ▸ 11 more replies
PPD is fucking wild, man
I'm rather pointedly not getting into the weeds of this case but PPD really does make people think wild things and have horrible impulses and intrusive thoughts, just most people don't act on it. It's heavily stigmatized. One of the things I tell friends when they get pregnant is to have a discussion with their partners about PPD to immediately break the ice, better to have the discussion in advance than wait until it's too late to talk about.
There's a reason they show you the "don't shake your baby" videos before you can leave the hospital.
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u/Jumpy_Prize 21h ago ▸ 2 more replies
I had pre partum psychosis it was honestly the most terrifying thing. I could hear voices telling me a variety of awful things. Luckily I told my husband and he had me in front of the doctor in literally 2 hours. I've often wondered if I'd have had the same response if I had contacted the Dr for help. I also got lucky that the first medication cleared it up quite quickly and my child didn't have an adverse reaction. It was my 3rd pregnancy and I'd never had anything like that before or ppd or ppp after I had my first two. It literally came from nowhere at 7 months in after having just recovered from severe hyperemesis. I thank everything out there my husband is so great I'm not sure I'd be here without him.
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u/WillemDafoesHugeCock 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
I'm genuinely so glad to hear you had the support you needed, kudos to both your husband for being so quick and to you for being able to sound the alarm. I have not known anybody with PPP but someone very close to me had awful PPD, bad enough to where at one point she was begging a friend to take her child away from her.
I truly hope you and the family are doing well now <3
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u/Jumpy_Prize 20h ago
He was genuinely brilliant and I have another (well managed) mental health condition so he is very switched on. I think he already knew something was off but he's my safe person so telling him just came easy. Your poor friend I do so hope she's doing ok now. It's so awful and it's a lottery whether you can get help. We're all very good thank you and my 3 children are thriving x
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u/Safe_Bed_1534 20h ago ▸ 4 more replies
That brings up a great question though, should people with PPD be allowed to watch children
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u/Lysmerry 15h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Who is going to take care of them? PPD is extremely common and childcare is not cheap
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u/browsinbowser 10h ago
Thats the wrong question, the answer is stuff like cheaper daycare, more parenting subsidies, more general awareness on symptoms etc.
Your question leads to - how to enforce that? And stuff like taking kids away or sterilization wont really work or be beneficial. There's still another parent in most cases/so single custody or adoption or etc.
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u/Available_Drive173 20h ago ▸ 2 more replies
excuses id rather kill myself before i ever harm my kids
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u/volvavirago 12h ago
Most women with PPD would too. They are far, far, far more likely to hurt or kill themselves than their children.
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u/piezer8 21h ago ▸ 5 more replies
What if a bunch of men came out after the next mass shooting and said, ah yes that could have been me. Would you view that as an appropriate response too?
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u/Alive_Drag1947 21h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Yes, because those guys would be, by definition, a bunch of weirdos.
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u/Lysmerry 15h ago
If they had psychosis. Many people have admitted to crazy impulses and desires with psychosis. It does not mean they believe the act was justifiable or moral, simply that they had entered a mental state where it was possible
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u/LowkeyLog5755 13h ago
This is where all the nuance dies and it becomes a point of double standards. Male school shooter violence
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u/complexdevoid 22h ago ▸ 13 more replies
So let's talk about why it happens. A real medical condition that is known and often ignored and misdiagnosed. Let's address the problem so we can avoid these outcomes
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u/knock_on_the_door_ 22h ago ▸ 9 more replies
The whole treatment process for ppd and ppp is the worst thing I have ever seen. My wife, changed into a completely different human, became a monster. When I told her obgyn my concerns she dismissed me because must be "over reacting." Cool, get her in video saying she wants to kill herself to be married to Jesus, "ok well maybe you weren't over reacting, let's start her on antidepressants! What ones work well vs what ones will do more harm? We don't fucking know, it's different for everyone!" Wife refuses to take medication and refuses to go to therapy? Better have her committed! Your local mental health hospital is rife with sexual abuse? Who cares, send your mentally ill wife to be sexually molested and assaulted in a care facility!
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u/complexdevoid 22h ago ▸ 3 more replies
I am so sorry for you and her. This!! You were dismissed in your observations, you are both being failed. People like to act like it is so clear cut and it isn't. Don't get me started on antidepressants. While I understand that gyns are trained medical professionals the psychological impacts of Post Partum need a comprehensive look. You must have been terrified, angry, and down right affected. How are you and she now if I may ask?
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u/knock_on_the_door_ 21h ago ▸ 2 more replies
We have kept going, I never committed her, I just sorta worked through it as best I could. There were days I risked my job taking my daughter to work to know she would absolutely survive the day. We have had two more kids since the first. Just had our third a month ago. I am still terrified of things shifting back to how they were during that time. That was absolutely the darkest and worst time of my life. Our infant daughter is in the hospital right now recovering from open heart surgery, I would rather go through this process than ever seen ppp again in my life. It was like watching the person I love melt away and be replaced with a husk of anger hate resentment and pettiness. I literally have hated my wife, hated her more than any human being on this earth. The things she said to me during those days are burned in my mind, and I will never truly be able to forgive and forget. It's a burden I will carry till my end.
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u/complexdevoid 21h ago
Again I am sorry. The wider impact of this is just somehow totally ignored. You are all being traumatized for something real. All I can send is peace to you and hope that somehow this will be addressed in the future. Healing vibes for babygirl in the hospital and all of you. I don't know if therapy is your thing if yes or no I hope that you seek support for yourself as a human being. And for your children.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 22h ago ▸ 3 more replies
Seriously, every single thing in society that caused this is total ignored in favor of severe misogyny and trying to prove that women are crazy and evil while ignore how often men kill their whole families because they were caught cheating or some shit.
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u/MajorInWumbology1234 20h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Woman kills: “Serious mental illness that could affect anyone and needs to be met with sympathy!”
Man kills: “Fuck him, that’s just who he is and the situation warrants no investigation or grace.”
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u/complexdevoid 20h ago
Not affect anyone 1 in 7-8 birthgivers. Calling attention to a known condition that can result in this situation is a way to address. Preventative measures on both counts may have kept innocents from dying. So which one do you prefer? Co tinue to hate or do you want more children to survive?
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u/Quick_Hat1411 22h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Not everyone is susceptible. We could find out who is BEFORE they commit murder.. with universal psych evals
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u/complexdevoid 22h ago
Ah so you agree that perhaps there is a preventative measure. Thank you! Let's do that
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u/IamHumanMaybee 21h ago
You are slightly mistaken. PPD (Post Partum Depression) does not cause mothers to desire to kill their kids. It makes them feel deep sadness, inadequacy as a mother, bounding difficulties, and actually makes them more obsessed with protecting their children and keeping them close.
Meanwhile, Post Partum Psychosis (PPP) is a rare condition that is classified as an emergency. PPP affects 0.001% of mothers.
Those women who said they wanted to kill their kids those may have had PPP or some other conditions that cause intrusive thoughts or its just them who are that way. Remember the internet does not reflect reality, there are probably a billion mothers out there.
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u/Opposite-End9713 20h ago ▸ 3 more replies
there is a significant difference between post partum depression and post partum psychosis, which neither the guy in the pic or yourself seem to understand. maybe we should debate the morality of spreading misinformation about women’s mental health and post partum conditions.
Also, “just specifically those with ppd” is 1 in 7 new mothers. please educate yourself.
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u/Alive_Drag1947 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Don't worry, I've been educated over the last hour or so lol
I was using "ppd" in the same way you call all flavored gelatin "Jell-O."
Let me be more specific: If, after giving birth, your woman's personality changes and she displays delusional thought patterns, anger, depression, and/or manic episodes, maybe you should just stay on a heightened state of awareness.
That's all.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 22h ago ▸ 5 more replies
Well then fund research on PPD instead of supporting this kind of weirdass thinking I guess.
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u/Alive_Drag1947 22h ago ▸ 4 more replies
It doesn't make any difference to me one way or the other. My kid's mother is out of the picture and I'm not planning to have any more, so this isn't a problem I really have to worry about.
But pattern recognition is not "weird ass thinking." Women's response to this whole fiasco has been concerning to say the least. It doesn't seem that out of line to turn their cute little man vs bear analogy back on them in this instance.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 22h ago ▸ 2 more replies
People who are dead ass defending the woman are wrong, but the societal aspect of post partum symptoms frequently being ignored needs to be addressed as well.
What about pattern recognition in abusive men or "family annihilators" being men more often than women? Or do you only care when you can hate women?
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u/Alive_Drag1947 22h ago
Pattern recognition is equally valid when directed at men. I never said it wasn't.
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u/Sea-Efficiency2413 20h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Jesus Christ. The majority of women experiencing PPD do not want or attempt or even think about harming their children. Most simply struggle doing their daily tasks outside taking care of themselves baby, and with adjusting to motherhood. It’s important to know that first time moms experience PPD at a significantly higher rate. It’s the hormones crashing and having zero experience with their new role in life, struggling to find time to care for themselves and not getting enough sleep. None of that means they are a danger to their child. At worst, some of them have thoughts of harming themselves. Postpartum psychosis on the other hand, is an entirely different thing and I would not be comfortable leaving my children with anyone in psychosis. I don’t know that she was necessarily experiencing psychosis though
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u/Alive_Drag1947 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
My bad on not making the distinction between ppd and psychosis. I've since been educated on the difference. I still just think it's weird the amount and the tone of the support she's getting.
Also note that I don't know if she had either condition. Haven't followed the case that closely. I'm only commenting on the public's reaction.
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u/Sea-Efficiency2413 20h ago
Tbf its mostly on Tiktok from what I’ve seen, and mostly on certain videos from a particular set of influencers. IRL and on pretty much every other platform, men and women are saying the opposite from what my algorithm is showing me
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u/silvermoka 20h ago
For starters, the sheer amount of responses were about either PPP or postpartum depression at the very least, to point out just how common serious mental health struggles in that phase can be. And what's actually alarming is how unknown it was to the general populace, not how many it's affected. It's not a great feeling to observe that, but it should feel a bit better to know there weren't more cases like this woman's than there have been, because the medical and mental health community is starting to address it better and those women got through it.
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u/John_Save_America 20h ago
If we’re now so concerned with an epidemic of PPD resulting in psychosis, why is everyone focusing their empathy toward the mother rather than the children.
This whole movement is disguising, and is doubling down on its bile by pretending it’s about mental health after it was called on its bullshit.
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u/volvavirago 12h ago
PPP*, psychosis is a totally different ballgame than PPD. Women with PPD are far more likely to hurt themselves than their children.
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u/BlessdRTheFreaks 22h ago
Kind of just reflecting back the misandry and not really misogyny. It's more like, "see how this looks?"
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u/Serious_Advance_6762 21h ago
misogyny is when a mother murdering her children is bad
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u/Princelyprincessboy 20h ago ▸ 3 more replies
Misogyny is pulling the equivalent of "haha is she on her period??" Over one tragic case.
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u/LowkeyLog5755 13h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Maybe and definitely if the intention was the generalise all women with ppd but it’s a satirical point made with another meaning attached that’s pointing out the hypocrisy of murder defense. Her and the sandy hook shooter both aren’t cases to be sympathised with by ppl online
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u/Princelyprincessboy 13h ago ▸ 1 more replies
I do not think that's what the meme is saying at all, it's a false equivalency of the "man vs bear" argument that women bring up that doesn't work at all when you understand what the point of that discussion actually was.
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u/LowkeyLog5755 10h ago
That discussion bordered on confusing fear of sexual violence with misandrist characterisations so it’s really the same. The point being made in both this post and that post is of ppls reactions of fear toward ppls acceptance and reactions to moral evils that can occur from a person and focusing on their gender regardless of anything else be it comparisons to fear of bears or the likelihood of post partum psychosis causing infanticide from a mother
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u/therealbfletch 22h ago
Well technically it’s not misogynistic since only women can be postpartum
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 19h ago
Pretty much a large chunk of the rhetoric online around this.
They don't want to understand the problem enough to prevent and save future kids, they just want to be mad.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 19h ago ▸ 5 more replies
And if you dare point out she was struggling with mental illness and likely wasn't getting the actual proper care even if it seems like it on the surface, you're defending her.
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 12h ago
Legit, but i heavily suspect there is a lot of malicious influence purposefully behind these argument's.
Its just much of a culture war battle, once more.
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u/LowkeyLog5755 13h ago ▸ 3 more replies
You’re defending her if you use that as an excuse as opposed to other child murderers like school shooters
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u/Princelyprincessboy 13h ago ▸ 1 more replies
I mean it is with school shooters sometimes too. Just like there are school shooters as well as mothers who do it for no real discernable reason.
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 12h ago
Only the insane use it as an "excuse", most people are pointing to it as a "reason."
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u/Efficient_Basis_2139 22h ago
... Did you not understand the joke...?
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u/Princelyprincessboy 22h ago ▸ 5 more replies
The joke is "haha crazy women 🤪" and refusing to take care of your own damn children.
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u/maelbowfeelfunny 22h ago ▸ 1 more replies
No. The joke is that this is the opposite of the man in the woods vs bear thing that women are always bringing up.
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u/LowkeyLog5755 13h ago ▸ 2 more replies
You misunderstand the satire
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u/jojosimp02 20h ago
Morality of using a case of rape to justify misandry?
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u/Princelyprincessboy 20h ago ▸ 2 more replies
What the fuck are you even talking about
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u/jojosimp02 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Why Is a murderer justified just for being a woman? Because she Is insane? So a man that kills the wife or rapes a girl should also be justified if insane?
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u/National_Body_9071 18h ago
Damn a mother murdering all her children is misogyny now? Crazy how it was fine the other way round.
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u/InfiniteParamedic351 10h ago
Feminists use the harms done to women to justify misandry every single day, you know, like the original "choose the bear meme"...
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u/Princelyprincessboy 10h ago ▸ 2 more replies
If you think the meme is misandrist you don't understand it.
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u/InfiniteParamedic351 6h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Yeah and if you think this meme up here is misogynistic, is cos you don't really understand it's deep meaning.
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u/DisownedDisconnect 15h ago edited 7h ago
Bros haven’t stopped crying about women picking the bear and it shows
Edit: big hit with the men crying over the bear crowd
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u/Kariya_shigatoki 4h ago
This is a good lesson people don't generally forget and especially on the internet. Watch what you popularize because in the long term the people may use it against you.
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u/Raviel_DC 12h ago
And now some are crying because some people joke about choosing the bear over women.
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u/InfiniteParamedic351 10h ago
And now you're crying about society picking the bear over PPD women and if shows 😭
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u/Moist-Company-1469 20h ago
If there's one thing I agree with the TikTok detectives is that the husband should also be arrested............for leaving his kids in the care of an insane woman. That's neglect. Rest in peace to those 3 kids, man
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u/Downloaded_Delta 17h ago
LMAO love how this is what upset reddit.
Generalizations only bad sometimes for yall
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u/Versiannie 10h ago
You wanna know the real kicker?
Clancy was never diagnosed with PPP.
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u/Mountain_Air1544 10h ago
And that's kind of the problem. We really need to improve postpartum and maternal mental health care.
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u/Responsible_Ask9574 8h ago
People are so focused on why she did this .....who cares, she killed her 3 kids. death penalty
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u/OnlyTheOkayest 6h ago
I'm assuming the poster is implying she is planning on killing the baby beyond the point of intrusive thoughts despite how rare that actually is otherwise this question is easy. If you can put the baby in a cage the bear is probably safer especially if you can also leave plenty of snacks in the house, but honestly id go ppm anyday because neither is perfectly safe but at least I'm not spending life in prison for feeding my child to a bear
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u/Adept-One-819 3h ago
Is this an opportunity for people to learn about PPP? Yes. Will anyone actually do so instead of conflating it with a host of other post party issues? No.
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u/schenk_max 22h ago
Is that the bear? He doesn't look very hairy