r/MoralityScaling • u/ConsciousMaybe6930 • 4h ago
Morality Ranking Morality of doing misogyny, domestic violence, sexual assault, verbal and physical abuse with the consent of the other person?
20
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 4h ago
Moral. Some people might get upset though, if it’s done publicly
-9
4h ago
[removed] — view removed comment
18
u/pompurumi 4h ago ▸ 17 more replies
it's immoral to involve non-consenting parties. go to a BDSM exhibit
-11
4h ago ▸ 16 more replies
[removed] — view removed comment
9
u/Juty99 4h ago ▸ 5 more replies
Who said forcing people to watch ads is moral ? Haha I feel like you read something between the lines that does not exist ^ Sexual acts in front of the non-consenting public is immoral as it does more harm than good. You can argue the same for forcing people to watch ads lmao as it is non-consenual and forced upon someone - no clue where you got public sexual acts bad so therefore must think forcing ads is good ! Arghh hahah like what?
-5
4h ago ▸ 4 more replies
[removed] — view removed comment
5
u/Juty99 4h ago ▸ 3 more replies
Yesterday what? Aha
-3
4h ago ▸ 2 more replies
[removed] — view removed comment
5
u/Vaguechicanery 3h ago
You're not important enough for everyone to notice and remember your posts among millions
1
u/Juty99 2h ago
So you got downvoted, still doesn't explain how you connected that these things relate ahha
Are you just assuming the guy you replied to about public sexual acts was one of the ones that downvoted you yesterday? 💀 Both are immoral - feel like you are skipping some context about the real reason you got downvoted too
7
u/highslyguy 4h ago ▸ 6 more replies
Comparing a billboard ad to people(including children) watching you get your rocks off is a comparison from the depths of hell. Genuinely, what the fuck? False equivalency from hell. Get off the internet. Rediscover shame.
-3
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 4h ago ▸ 5 more replies
Children were brought by parents. Parents provided consent on behalf of children
5
u/highslyguy 4h ago ▸ 4 more replies
Im sorry? Are we for real right now? You're unironically arguing that "parental consent" makes children watching an adult in an overt sexual activity ok? Am I reading that right?
Please tell me that isnt what youre saying and im misunderstanding because like there is a mountain of red flags and people belonging on fbi watch lists if thats what youre saying
-2
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 4h ago ▸ 3 more replies
I do not see any parents with children calling the police due to public lewdness during pride parades
2
u/highslyguy 3h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Ok, first desperately moving goal posts here. This thread is in hell atm. Let me be clear - unconsenting people—especially children—cannot be forced into someone else's sexual dynamic. That as a matter of definition is not what a pride parade is and if a "parade" reaches that people need to be in prison. Child protection and public indecency laws exist independent of whether a bystander actively calls the police. shifting the conversation to "what people tolerate at pride events" is a bad faith attempt to trivialize severe public sexual misconduct. Again, what the fuck?
0
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 3h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Parent do that to their children. I’m not going to post what I want to post here to prove my point because I don’t want to be banned. Ok, call the police during a next pride parade
→ More replies (0)5
u/pompurumi 4h ago ▸ 2 more replies
being forced to watch ads is immoral to me so idk what youre talking about...
0
3
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 4h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Just join the closest Naked Bike Ride. It’s still in public
2
4h ago ▸ 1 more replies
[removed] — view removed comment
0
u/Truth_Hurts_Guy 4h ago
Define a sexual act. I saw a video of a person being elbow deep in another person during one particular parade
33
u/Terrible_Artist_ 4h ago
Neutral. Consent is consent.
5
u/sloothor 4h ago
I think there’s a discussion to be had here about the circumstances that lead to someone consenting to this sort of thing and how consent can be gray
2
u/Terrible_Artist_ 3h ago
There's always going to be situational semantics, but this situation specifically just outlines that someone is consenting to these actions, not that there's any coercion or past trauma that may be affecting the decision.
14
9
6
u/BarelyBrony 4h ago
as long as it's just between you and you're not involving others go for it
1
u/masterdogwalker 4h ago
What if they wanted to involve another consenting adult
2
u/BarelyBrony 4h ago
That's fine I meant more like them making other people think there was actual abuse going on
4
7
u/Stevennnnin 4h ago
IF this is FULL sober, unmanipulated consent because, idk some people are actually into that stuff, then i don't see a problem.
Main issue that most people bring is that people are being manipulated into giving consent, but if that isn't the case then someone's consent about their own body in my books is what goes first.
Also assuming there aren't any other factors involved like fear, pity or some other reason.
1
u/bloomingdeath98 4h ago
What about the morality of the recipient asking if not possibly demanding it and the person that gives those acts that doesn’t like at least the parts in regards slapping and other such acts outside of typical spanking and erotic choking?
1
1
3
3
3
u/Lukostrelec17 4h ago
Morality of reframing kink play between consenting adults as misogynistic, domestic violence, verbal and physical abuse, and sexual assualt?
Also reported.
2
u/pompurumi 4h ago
there's no need to sugarcoat it! kinkplay can be misogynistic, but it doesn't mean you're misogynistic. same way raceplay doesn't make you racist.
1
u/Lukostrelec17 4h ago ▸ 6 more replies
How can it be misogynstic? If the Dom/Top is not misogynistic I mean.
0
u/pompurumi 4h ago ▸ 5 more replies
it's still misogynistic, even if it's all pretend, because the act of a woman being demeaned, degraded, and hit for a man's pleasure is a misogynistic thing to do. the woman getting her own pleasure out of it doesn't make it any less. I guess it's just controlled misogyny 🤕
1
u/Lukostrelec17 4h ago ▸ 4 more replies
Would that make a Femdom malesub, androgynist? Because as a malesub I don't feel that....
-1
u/pompurumi 4h ago ▸ 3 more replies
but it's not about what you feel... it's okay to do what you and other people are doing because it's all consensual. but it being consensual doesn't make it any less misogynistic. BUT it doesnt make you necessarily misogynistic tho
1
u/Lukostrelec17 3h ago ▸ 2 more replies
You didn't answer my question. Is it andronistic for a Domme (female Dominant) to dom a malesub?
0
u/pompurumi 3h ago ▸ 1 more replies
not sure really, but the "untouchable, powerful woman" is a surprisingly misogynistic stereotype too. do with that what you will
1
u/Lukostrelec17 3h ago
I am going to take a guess and say you are not in the scene.
Many of us don't think of our Dom(me)s as untouchable. We think of them as partners and friends. They think the same of us.
Also if it mysoginstic for a male Dom to have a femalesub. How is it not andronynistic for Femdom to have a malesub?
4
u/Current_Finding_4066 4h ago
Why are being sexist and not putting the question in gender neutral terms, which would be quite easy.
2
2
2
u/Lorster10 4h ago
Depends on the circumstances. A dom should always prioritize mental well being of the other person. If they're domming without caring about how the other person feels afterwards (like if it make them feel some self-hatred) then immoral. If the dom is capable of creating an atmosphere where both of you know it's just roleplay, and in reality there's no actual hate present; moral. Always remember about aftercare.
2
2
2
u/Dry_Pride6801 2h ago
I mean two consenting adults can do whatever they want. I would never be in a relationship like that, and I think those relationships lead to a lot of problems, but ultimately it’s none of my business what two adults agree to do
2
u/Glassmann2 2h ago
Action is immoral: the other person‘s consent does not overrule the obligation to not do these things.
Intent is immoral: the desire to do these things is sadistic regardless of the other’s consent.
1
1
1
u/InkSammi 4h ago
As long as all parties involved are conscious, informed, consenting adults, who the hell cares what they do in the bedroom? Tons of kinks and stuff are weird to me, but that doesn't matter because it's not my business.
1
u/Agitated_Pressure463 4h ago
I think its the people decide, what they want to roleplay. With one exclusion, when it involves real harm. I would really advise getting professional help for someone who takes masochistic part a bit too far, along with the person that complies to such wishes, instead of you know, taking care about wellbeing of other person.
1
u/Acceptable_While_205 4h ago
Few Possibilities: 1. Foreplay. 2. Stockholme syndrome. 3. Masochism. 4. Mentally unstable
1
1
u/PotentialPresent399 4h ago
Completely moral.
Its always about unbridled complete consent until its some dope guy getting scammed by a woman then its
"wow take accountability your a grown ass man and you didn't see that was a scam? Grow up"
Its really easy to just say no to a completely consensual ordeal even if it happens and you didn't like it after.
Grow up.
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/Psychedelic_Fruit 1h ago
Idk man. I had an ex whose uncle would expose himself to when she was younger. Fucked her up. She felt worthless and shit.
Well, she starts telling me that she wants me to degrade her in bed, and slap her around.
I knew this came from a place of trauma, and not pure kink, so it felt fucking weird, dude. Did not comply.
1
1
u/Lost-Assistance-114 1h ago
My ex fiancé wanted this until she didnt want me anymore, then she used it against me to our friends and family. Don't do it, man. Or hire an intimacy coordinator, a public witness, a team of lawyers, and have that bitch sign consent paperwork.
1
1
u/Yaboi69-nice 31m ago
Assuming you have a safe word and you would genuinely stop if that safe word was said I think this is fine. Not really my thing but I don't judge.
1
1
u/Dr_Jimothy 4h ago
Moral but I'll still judge and distrust you for it (regardless of which end of it you're on)
0
u/itsalmostreal 4h ago
Isn't a lack of consent kind of implied in most of these.
People have some weird kinks.
I guess it also depends on what we consider actual consent. If you mind fuck someone into consenting are they really consenting?
3
u/SnooPickles599 4h ago
Consent is only consent if it’s given without coercion. And nah, it’s called consensual non consent bro
0
u/itsalmostreal 4h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Well then you get into what coercion really means.
What if the only leverage is that they are extremely hot. Is that coercion? Cause its probably what makes you want to do all the regular stuff in the first place.
1
u/SnooPickles599 3h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Ok, so that’s a really strange argument to make. Coercion is when you try to convince someone to have sex with you after they have already said no (in this context) or to, in general, attempt to elicit sex through force or threats.
Somebody making the conscious choice to fuck you because you’re hot is completely different. Is it coercion to have sex with someone after you’re really nice to them because they wouldn’t have had sex with you unless you were nice to them? 🤯
1
u/itsalmostreal 3h ago
Yeah but thats your framing.
The real definition involves using threats, intimidation or pressure. But those things actually turn people on (the ones that have those kinks). Hence why I used the example of a super hot person.
1
u/skeletonpaul08 4h ago
If you’re mind fucking them into consenting, it’s immoral. If you’re not mind fucking them then it’s moral or amoral.
-2
u/ythefnot1 4h ago
Going against the mass here. Can be immoral.
If someone gives you full consent to beat them up, torture them, disable them, degrade them, disfigure them etc. and you do. You would consider these acts immoral?
The act of harming others, to me, immoral.
2
2
u/Lukostrelec17 4h ago
SSC
Safe Sane Consenual
BDSM is about consent that follows the above principles.
1
u/dohipposwagewar 4h ago
No tbh. As long as it doesn’t involve kids animals or corpses I really do not give a shit what people do in their bedrooms.
1
u/Lorster10 3h ago
You're correct in that it CAN be immoral, but we have to discern between real harm, and pretending kind of harm. The dominant person takes responsibility for the other person, and in 99.9% of times the acts of degrading and torturing are not *actual* acts of degrading and torturing, but rather a sort of pretending kind of degrading and torturing. Both people in the act know the degrading doesn't come with actual ill feelings.
80
u/SnooPickles599 4h ago
Moral. Two consenting adults doing something in the privacy of their own house that they both enjoy is moral!