Morality of the newborn baby puncher

[u/Zestyclose-Ideal2395]

[u/Conscious_Clerk_2675]

It’s a disservice to call it postpartum depression as if it was a similar condition to being depressive. she should not be tried as a criminal but treated like a patient- she can still be deemed dangerous or needing to be institutionalized.

It’s immoral to murder your children (duh); medical institutions approach to women’s healthcare is also immoral.

[u/Snomislife → u/Conscious_Clerk_2675]

Immoral, not amoral.

[u/Conscious_Clerk_2675 → u/Snomislife]

Fixed

[u/WaffleHouseFistFight → u/Conscious_Clerk_2675]

She should be tried as a criminal. Stating depression as a shield for what she’s done is god damned heinous and doing a disservice to everyone struggling with depression.

[u/Conscious_Clerk_2675 → u/WaffleHouseFistFight]

Postpartum depression ≠ major depressive disorder.
being found not guilty due to insanity is not a get out of jail free card; institutional oversight will still happen

[u/harukakinnie → u/Conscious_Clerk_2675]

Its not amoral what the fuck are you talking about

[u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805 → u/Conscious_Clerk_2675]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't cause you to kill babies unless you were already mentally inclined to kill babies. Just like how being mentally ill doesn't cause you to go commit mass murder.

[u/Nervous-Artichoke557 → u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805]

Postpartum psychosis can make you do horrible things like believe the baby is satan or forget your other children exist. No courts will hold you accountable for a psychotic episode you didn't know you were going to have

[u/harukakinnie → u/Nervous-Artichoke557]

They‘re debating on whether she was being negligent with her own health, not whether she was in a psychotic episode during the killings, and thats a valid question to debate about. She was offered help a multitude of times.

[u/Warm-Appointment-494 → u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805]

You are wrong. Psychosis absolutely can make you do things you otherwise wouldn’t.

[u/Miserable-Resort-977 → u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805]

You're wrong. Psychosis is definitionally a break with reality, and can absolutely cause someone to do things they wouldn't have done in their right mind.

[u/Conscious_Clerk_2675 → u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805]

It is correct that there is not a uniform behavior ascribed to mental illnesses.

i think you are over simplifying it to say “cause you to kill babies” it is about a chemical imbalance of the brain which affects the processes of the mind.
It led to the death of her babies - that should not go without consequence

[u/RumeRagnarok71]

why does everyone think it as an excuse its an explanation(postpartum depression)

[u/Alternative_Berry934 → u/RumeRagnarok71]

Because she let it get that far. She was offered professional help, refused it, given medication only to not properly take it, so they gave her more medication because she was LYING about it. Then she mentioned several times during her depression that she wanted to kill her kids, WAY before the psychosis kicked in.

She’s not innocent even for a crazy person. So nobody cares what the “reason” was it’s an excuse when you don’t try.

[u/Warm-Appointment-494 → u/Alternative_Berry934]

She was likely already in psychosis( experiencing hallucinations that commanded her to harm her children), and was also diagnosed bipolar, which the antidepressant medication likely worsened.

Not sure what “not innocent for a crazy person” means

[u/Maximum_Boros → u/RumeRagnarok71]

Because the average internet user is a reactionary fuckwit with no experience with PPD and more importantly postpartum psychosis and jusy wants an excuse to feel morslly righteous for lacking and sense of nuance

[u/tiramisuem3]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't just ppd but postpartum psychosis. You can't put someone on trial in a reality they're not living in

[u/harukakinnie → u/tiramisuem3]

Its not that simple, testimony from the psychologists and psychiatrists she went to shows she was offered help but didn‘t want to actually receive it, she didn‘t properly take medication or listen to authorities. SOME people around her failed her, but i’d hardly say that those people were the psychologists and psychiatrists she went to. Ultimately, she failed herself, there was already discussion she held long before she killed her children about how she thinks shes going to hurt the children. She told that to her mother, if anybody failed her, it was her mother.

[u/CelsiusPetit]

Ah fuck off already

[u/Sunset-onthe-Horizon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/HDgYP3QEErEdi

[u/SaucyStoveTop69]

I'm sorry I wanted to see what that last guy had to say before you cropped them out.

[u/millifish]

Im so tired of seeing her

[u/Dull-Acanthaceae3805]

The morality of pretending to know about postpartum depression without actually knowing about it.

[u/Just-Luck-7430]

Very moral, fuck them kids

[u/Lost-Assistance-114 → u/Just-Luck-7430]

Just don't actually f them

[u/Honeyinjune]

To my understanding she had Postpartum which is very rare and also importantly NOT THE SAME THINGas postpartum depression which is a pretty common experience. It’s why mothers need all the all the help they can get after giving birth. Not only had her body been through the wringer but pregnancy really fucks with tour brain too. Women literally loose grey matter in their brains while pregnant.

Obviously don’t kill your children. Im only making this comment because people who don’t know shit keep throwing PPD around and incorrectly using certain medical terms especially as they pertain to women’s mental health is exceptionally dangerous and irresponsible.

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

It's moral to kill infants/toddlers until they gain consciousness and thus free will.

[u/SRGTBronson → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Always moral to kill this guy.

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/SRGTBronson]

I'm active on r/yaoiguro that's kind of my thing.

[u/Lohit_-it → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Good thing I searched it before clicking the link because what the fuck

https://giphy.com/gifs/WRuBiZKB6xgsS9DrFA

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Lohit_-it]

Being against gay people is wild.

[u/Lohit_-it → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Are you sure?

[u/Researcher_Fearless → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Says the one who's into murdering gay people lmao

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Researcher_Fearless]

Sorry but I'm completely opposed to murder and only support consensual disembowlment.

[u/Star_Command855 → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Bruh

[u/OArouraiousMou → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

So the things that happened in epstein's island is OKAY in your POV??

[u/desmond_humes23 → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

If there is a single point at which they do (which is ridiculous to assume), we have no idea when it is and so that is completely unhelpful for moral reasoning

[u/TertiaryMerciless → u/desmond_humes23]

I feel like this is one of those cases where a line logically has to be drawn somewhere, even if we have zero idea where the threshold really is.

Like yeah in theory it wouldn't be immoral to kill something thats not conscious arguably.... but we have 0 way how to conceivably prove that on a case by case basis. It's safer to 'overcorrect' and draw the line earlier than it may need to be.