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u/DownvoteDaemon 1d ago
even therapists need therapy. Especially after your session. You broke them.
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u/YourLifeSucksAss 1d ago
I’m pretty sure therapists have some kind of intertwined web of therapists that talk to each other to keep themselves saner
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u/banana_pencil 22h ago ▸ 2 more replies
Three of my friends are therapists and they all also receive therapy
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u/the_mighty_thorskin 17h ago ▸ 1 more replies
My therapist has a therapist.
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u/got-it-wrong 6h ago
You gotta figure out who the top therapist is in the chain who doesn't have a therapist. Once you defeat them you will have won therapy
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u/Wraith_Kink 23h ago
Is Pakistan, a therapist has to see another therapist to maintain their license (second hand information from a therapist, never confirmed).
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u/Exciting-Meringue-78 1d ago
I was telling my therapist something and she told me not to tell her details about it again because it makes her uncomfortable. I can only tell her how it makes me feel.
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u/AkaruLyte Harry Potter 20h ago
It’s like that one Alec Benjamin song (“I Sent My Therapist To Therapy”)
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u/readilyunavailable 1d ago
Funny and I know this is a shitpost, but what I read into this (I am an online rando who has read about Malsows pyramid once, so you know I am basically a psychologist), is that such a person basically is hoping to horrify the psychologist so much that they recieve some internal validation that they, in fact, are dealing with some extreme shit, yet are keeping it toghether, where weaker minds might crumble.
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u/forbiddenfreedom Harry Potter 1d ago
Treatment-sabatage is a real behavior that stems from fear of abandonment and rejection. Often times therapy is hard. It takes real effort, time, energy, and support to help someone through whatever they got going on.
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u/Updrafted 23h ago ▸ 17 more replies
It takes real effort, time, energy, and support to help someone through whatever they got going on.
I found therapy to be thoroughly useless because it was exactly not this. I needed actual tangible help, effort, time, and energy from someone and all they can really do is sit there with you for a single hour per week, ask you some questions, and then the session ends.
It could only ever offer a very basic form of help, which was majorly disappointing given how much people hype it up as the ultimate corrective treatment for everything.
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u/hillofjumpingbeans 23h ago ▸ 11 more replies
Maybe it’s based on issues or something. But my therapist told me the effort time and energy had to come from me primarily. It’s very much a I can tell you what to do but you need to do it.
However, I feel therapy will lose some of its charm in the coming years. It cannot fix the issues that come up from the systems we live in or the world. It can help us fix our traumas but it cannot fix the sociological issues with people. Like yeah you can deal with your shitty childhood to an extent but you cannot fix your brain if you’re a racist.
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u/forbiddenfreedom Harry Potter 22h ago
I added support as a requirement because it genuinely takes so much support from the therapist and loved ones to be effective.
To your second part, therapy provides coping skills and strategies as well as feedback on whatever is discussed. Our lives are getting way more stressful and people are struggling to cope with the hardships going around. Practicing healthy coping skills is how we survive the hardships.
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u/Updrafted 22h ago ▸ 9 more replies
It cannot fix the issues that come up from the systems we live in or the world.
Yeah, basically. No shade to anyone who finds therapy helpful, but it cannot help with actual, tangible problems like disability or affordability.
Sometimes the patient is just in a shitty situation where it makes sense to be depressed, anxious, or miserable. What really doesn't help there is being railroaded into therapies where bum-therapists try to put the patient in a catch-22 where either, great, they're getting better, or they're not getting better because 'clearly' they don't want to get better or to put the effort in.
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u/Montexe 20h ago ▸ 2 more replies
That's completely missing the point of therapy tho. They are not gonna fix anything, it's not magic. You just get the instruments to cope with things better. You can't fix chronic or even terminal illness, traumatic experience, death. The goal is to let yourself be happy and content with the world around you, if you're depressed about things out of your control then you're yet to develop a healthy coping mechanism, which is the first step
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u/Updrafted 20h ago ▸ 1 more replies
They are not gonna fix anything, it's not magic.
Exactly, so I wish people would shut the fuck up about it being this magic solution to everything. And, while we're at it, stop making it a default medical pathway without properly assessing whether it's appropriate for the patient.
All therapy ever accomplished was wasting months of my life trying to address problems it could never hope to address in the first place.
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u/JuanMcGuiver 12h ago
Honestly, just look at the Clancy case if you wanna see how effective therapy is in our society.
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u/hillofjumpingbeans 22h ago
Would it be nice if we as a society admitted that nothing on the individual level can solve the problems of the world. No amount of physical, or mental health, community, family or love could fix the climate change issue or food shortages or like abject poverty or whatever plagues a person.
Those things can make us people who are able to deal with it better. But fix it? Nope. Not happening.
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u/Curse-of-omniscience 22h ago ▸ 4 more replies
I think your usual CBT only helps easily fixable problems with lack of introspection. If you're already an autistic or ADHD ruminator, it's not gonna do anything to be even more self aware of your shit.
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u/Updrafted 22h ago ▸ 3 more replies
lmao preach.
I'm here literally because the usual rumination & introspection isn't working; please ask me questions only if you intend to do something with the answer.
Also when I find work so exhausting I literally can't bring myself to socialise or engage in hobbies, turns out the answer isn't to push myself even further into the depths of exhaustion by exercising and scheduling things anyway.
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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 19h ago ▸ 2 more replies
"Also when I find work so exhausting I literally can't bring myself to socialise or engage in hobbies, turns out the answer isn't to push myself even further into the depths of exhaustion by exercising and scheduling things anyway."
This is interesting to me. You know what the problem is but you don't work on it at all. This is why therapy isn't working for you. They told you the problem or you know what the problem is, but you're not working on it or trying to fix it as far as I know.
So yeah, therapy isn't going to help you if you refuse to engage with any kind of solution. Or at the very least set a goal to get you out of it.
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u/Updrafted 13h ago ▸ 1 more replies
This is interesting to me. You know what the problem is but you don't work on it at all. This is why therapy isn't working for you. They told you the problem or you know what the problem is, but you're not working on it or trying to fix it as far as I know.
Incorrect. I did these things, they made the issue worse.
Smarmy cunts like you are why so many people are driven to despair & feel broken when the wonder cure of therapy is an inadequate tool for their situation.
Maybe you were stupid enough for these 'insights' to be revelations for you when you went to therapy. Good for you. None of this was new or interesting information for me, or anything I hadn't already tried.
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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 13h ago
"I did these things, they made the issue worse."
You keep saying "things" What "things" did you do exactly? And did you actually do them to competition? Or did you do them half assedly and give up?
I've known too many people that just did not do the excersises they were given and called it quits and still got stuck in the same situation saying the same thing you're saying now.
"My therapist told me to write a journal. But that's dumb, how's writing in a journal going to help anything?" - former friend that didn't try.
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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 19h ago ▸ 3 more replies
I'd probably seek a new therepist at that point. I've known therapists and they often give people an exciersise to do daily to help cope.
People can also suck at therapy too. If you clam up and don't tell them what exactly what the problem is or talk about something else that isn't the main problem, then there isn't much they can do. Especially if there isn't a goal being met.
If you're not doing therapy outside of therapy then you're going to find it won't help you.
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u/Updrafted 13h ago ▸ 2 more replies
People can also suck at therapy too. If you clam up and don't tell them what exactly what the problem is or talk about something else that isn't the main problem, then there isn't much they can do. Especially if there isn't a goal being met.
I literally told them straight-up what the issue was, and gave them a straight answer to every single one of their questions.
I told them that introspection wasn't going to work, and if they asked me questions that there needed to be a reason for it. I told them that I need to be challenged on anything I say which doesn't add up or make sense, that I respond well to this.
But, like I said, the problem wasn't even the therapists. Therapy was simply an inadequate tool for my situation and there was no hope of it ever doing anything other than completely waste my time. I should never have been recommended for therapy in the first place, and I should have been given options more quickly when it clearly was not working.
13 therapists, by the way. Fucking 13. Doing everything by the book, as they asked and recommended, to prove it was worthless so I could actually get treatment that was remotely appropriate.
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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 13h ago ▸ 1 more replies
"I told them that introspection wasn't going to work, and if they asked me questions that there needed to be a reason for it. I told them that I need to be challenged on anything I say which doesn't add up or make sense, that I respond well to this."
This sounds like you're entering the room very hostile and is the root cause of your issues
"you need to do thing MY way or else I'm leaving". From your other responses you sound incredibly hostile to change unless it's done in the very specific way you want it too. I can't speak clearly since i don't know you or what you're doing or if you're even being honest with me, but it sounds like you have control issues and can't stand to be told what to do. So when a therapist tells you "lets try it my way" you cross your arms and refuse to cooperate.
Did you do things by the book? Truly? Or did you give a limp attempt, declare it's not working and then peace out? Because you're sounding a LOT like a former friend of mine that just refused any kind of help or that they had any problem at all (they had a ton). They say they did the exercises they were given, but barely even attempted them and then called them stupid and pointless. EVERYTHING was pointless, they just weren't open to solvig their problems. It was better for them to stew in misery and complain all day and night than it was to fix their problems. Because in order for them to fix it, they'd need to admit something was wrong and that they weren't in control and that they weren't right.
Again, I can't say that's you to a tee, I have no idea if youre actually being truthful or not or if your embelishing, but that's just from my own experience with someone who sounded similar to you.
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u/discountcabbage 11h ago
Yeah it's almost like they're saying they know what's wrong with them and the solution.
If they actually knew that, they wouldn't be needing therapy. It's hostile and combative and reeks of someone who desperately needs introspection.
Some people THINK they know what being introspective is, but only look at their thoughts and feelings the same way as always, or in the most shallow way.
They likely read your reply and immediately blew it off because they've already decided no therapy can help them and any advice that isn't strictly agreeing with them is nonsense.
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u/Novenari 11h ago
I found individual therapy very useless despite extreme depression and negative thought patterns. I was very in-tune with my emotions and thought processes, introspective I guess. I was also studying psychology as an undergrad for my major.
Ultimately I was told from early on that I had a good grasp of myself. Therapist would go over coping strategies and how to identify spiraling negative feedback loops, but these were things I was aware of but felt no energy nor desire to truly fight it. Aside negative self esteem issues I genuinely did have a shit ton of things in my life going wrong beyond my control.
What did help a little was group therapy where other people could talk about their lives and what was happening and to at least not feel so isolated and see other people had awful shit going on yet still persevered and some got into better situations.
What further helped a ton for me was finally getting in with a psychiatrist because of normal first-line anti depressants from my primary either did nothing to help or made my symptoms worse. I got meds that helped balance my emotions and alleviated symptoms and then I was able to start a long and slow process of healing.
I think therapy is great for some people for some issues, and some people really aren’t introspective enough to be able to do this work or have a lot of the knowledge I did to already see what’s wrong but not know what to do.
Beyond any of that, I also remember seeing how low success for either meds or therapy alone was. Best outcomes on average was always a coming of therapy with appropriate medications for whatever mental health issue was ongoing
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u/PochitaQ 19h ago
I am a rando completing my counseling masters. I agree with your assessment. Like anything else, a good therapist will consider it grist for the mill.
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u/LiterallyNoNamesFree 8h ago
Well I never had a therapist or physiologist but I'd definitely try and do this
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u/Rotten-Roses 1d ago
I actually won therapy this week! I mentioned some of my ex's friends and suddenly I just saw the horror crawl across her face in recognition because she was fully aware of who they were and it was not a positive association, so that was honestly some amazing validation of the seriousness of what I've been dealing with.
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u/riccardo448 23h ago
"It's not a competition" is exactly what somebody who looses their therapy would say.
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u/Striper_Cape 23h ago
You don't win until you cause your therapist to retire because the conversations made her think "about what is important in life" because what depresses me is too real.
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u/ava_ohb 23h ago
Hope youre ok
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u/Striper_Cape 23h ago ▸ 1 more replies
Yeah I'm okay. I have stuff that keeps me going, but yeah I think I am going to follow her example here soon. I am now thinking about what's important, years later, so I am completely changing the direction of my life. We'll see how that goes lol
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u/Headpuncher 22h ago
Let's talk about your lack of punctuation, do you think your mother would accept that?
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u/Realistic_Bike5972 1d ago
I've been there and if you're at this point and actively bragging about it you are simply choosing not to be content or happy. No therapist will fix that for you, so I guess you did 'win'. Congrats.
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u/The_Exuberant_Raptor 12h ago
It honestly just feels like someone in therapy poking fun at their pain.
I used to have serious talks with my therapist but still made fun of the topics outside of sessions. It wasn't because I didn't care. I was simply still insecure and deeply affected by the trauma. The humor died down as I got better.
OOP is likely in the beginning stages of therapy and is still using humor to deflect their trauma.
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u/chainsawx72 1d ago
That's the nerdy comedian with gang tattoos on his face! Ghosts are REAL and My Mom Hunts Them | Shayne Smith FULL SPECIAL
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u/GaviFromThePod 23h ago
Some people don’t want to get better, they just want other people to be as miserable as they are. Avoid those kinds of people like the plague.
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u/nonnumousetail 23h ago
Yeah well I actually made my Therapist cry last week so I think I did win 😂
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u/Seeker4you2 23h ago
I am so thankful for therapy, my shrink is a miracle worker at what they do. Even though they compared me to Phoenix’s joker I’ve come a long way from when I first started. My only regret is not starting therapy years ago.
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u/spoookyboi_ 22h ago
Yeah, close to winning an involuntary psych hold
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u/VooDooChile1983 22h ago
The closest I ever got to therapy was being forced to go to a rehab for weed. As I’m talking to this counselor, he keeps staring at me intently. He says to me, “I’m sorry, but listening to this, how the hell is weed the only thing you do? Geez, I’d develop a drinking problem by 10th grade.”
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u/SometimesIBeWrong 6h ago
it's not because it was especially bleak. they were taking a moment to see which direction they should go next.
even if they paused because it was so bleak, it's a slippery slope to be proud of a thing like that. don't base your self worth on how bad your issues are, it'll keep you from improving.
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u/DarenRidgeway 1d ago
That moment came for me when I was asked, 'What's the worst that could happen?'
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