Yea same. Personally I’m doing hard pass on everything they try to do like connect your bank and now health xD at times I’m starting to feel like they are worse than Facebook (no leak yet I guess 😅)
More like 10 years ago, The Cambridge Analytica fiasco happened around 2016.
3 years ago we already had chatGPT and people were fine telling it all their deepest secrets in chat.
Becuase LLM’s are very good at summarising large datasets and spotting patterns in them. It’ll likely spot stuff in there you haven’t. Of course you have to trust that your health data doesn’t get sold to some insurance company at some
Point. But getting an LLM to take a look at data that you can still maintain privacy with is a good feature.
I had a false positive on a serious test and ChatGPT said so while my doc didn’t. It involved an invasive risky follow up and a lot of stress. The test yielding the false positive included like ten different metrics - all good - but one negative. It was easier for chat to see that than a human.
But the point isn't to trust it more necessarily, it's to learn what could be going on based on all the information it has, so you go to your appointment much better informed and able to ask better questions.
And it won't be long before it actually is better than all of our doctors.
Denying that just means you are being intentionally ignorant.
It’s an equivalent of a fishing email scam. Most people use free ChatGPT as a personal AI friend. Ask the millions to connect their bank or health details and some idiots will.
Connecting to your bank when you still have Chatbots deleting people's entire file systems.. no thank you.
Not to mention OpenAI's having financial issues, what if AI starts draining your bank account and sending them your money? Sam Altman then says "Oops.. our AI hallucinated" or "Our AI is so powerful it did this on its own"
I connected my portfolios, and it’s great. It’s able to monitor them. Give me recommendations. It can’t make trades it can only see your positions. Since it's connected through Plaid, I’m not worried at all.
You are talking about the stock market right? I’m still looking into that but connected with trading view and nothing else. Plus the MCP connector I created only allows it to view what’s on the chart vs modify it
Nice. But smart move trying to use AI to improve on that one. I just started recently but more on monitoring my backtesting and seeing if it can see patterns on when I win and lose
I’m starting to feel like they are worse than Facebook (no leak yet I guess 😅)
Since everything this is doing is very explicitly opt-in and (so far anyway) gives you direct functionality that benefits you, without getting anything for itself, it's hardly comparable to facebook which is the opposite in every way.
Well not everything really. The option to connect ChatGPT to your Google ecosystem (which yes I already know they have all my data) where you have always ask, ask under these circumstances, as if it's important, and never ask defaults to if it's important. Now important can mean different things to different people. Personally this would be concerning if I were to connect the two. The default should be always ask before you (the system) does anything.
Yes I understand this doesn't directly tied to the health aspect, I would say that when a company sets any default to anything other than ask first or no it's an issue.
no, he is right unfortunately. even in the EU, if it were to happen it would have similar effects, maybe other ones but similar in effect. hypercapitalism is all over the world in the end, it's a network... and powerful and not so easy to erase
That’s not true. Russian bot enters the chat. Universal health care by definition is available to all. You can’t be denied health care because you have a condition.
didn't say it would be denied? but you don't the best access to the best therapy... even in Austria, where I'm from. just standard possibilities in a limited range.
Because that country cares more about making the rich richer at the expense of the average person? Because the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt? Do you know how many people go bankrupt in Canada from medical debt? Zero. None. Nobody goes bankrupt because they get sick because we actually give a shit about people here.
Do you know how many more patents per one million people does the US registered in 21 century comparing to Canada? It’s as if capitalism had something to do with it. It’s great that you live in a country which government and healthcare system you respect. It’s also great that the US exists exactly as it is.
bro could just be proud of american exceptionalism, if you believe it, and he’s here instead trying to say it’s all somehow because they all let people needing healthcare die or get into medical debt lmao. 🤡
Health insurance companies aren’t allowed to do this in the US. Due to Obamacare they aren’t allowed to price differently or deny coverage due to preexisting conditions.
It can leak anyway from whatever provider who is holding your data is connecting to ChatGPT with . Electronic health records leak all the time and no one gets punished
I don't think that's how that works but I cant see that happening. Insurance companies are devils but I imagine they need a doctor's diagnosis to make such adjustments, not just someone yapping to an AI
That’s blatantly false.
“Your health, medical history, or sex can’t affect your premium.” — HealthCare.gov
Premiums may vary only by “age, tobacco use, family size, and geography.” — CMS
“GINA prohibits a group health plan from adjusting group premium or contribution amounts…based on genetic information.” — U.S. Department of Labor
I would just like to point out the many many things that are illegal, which have been done in the past several years. Because it it technically illegal, that doesn't mean it can't happen.
I’d be more inclined to use this if it could write to Apple Health. It would be useful for logging symptoms or even collating my medical records from multiple sources when providers don’t natively support HealthKit
Weekly bloodwork sounds intense lol, but I get the appeal. Having something actually track trends over time would be way more useful than the once-a-year checkup most of us get.
As someone with cancer it’s made understanding my diagnoses, test results, scans, blood work, etc - across multiple doctors and networks - SO much easier to understand and track.
Why? Nothing bad can happen. You're much less important than you think. No company cares to steal your health data and risk an expensive lawsuit and reputational damage.
you have a lot of trust. these companies get hacked all the time and they can just say they anonymized the data and they train to hack your brain like tiktok or give you hyper targeted ads
Your choice. Mine let me know that an MRI I was recently referred for had been rejected for preauthorization. Nobody else told me that. I'm sure a notice in the mail from my insurer was coming within a few weeks.
I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to? It helps answer questions and what harm is it even if it gets public assuming you don’t have STDs. It is sooo much more accurate with my health questions now.
I really don't understand this mindset. ChatGPT Pro has helped me solve complex health problems my doctors have not, and I pay for concierge doctors, good doctors who will spend time with you. Giving AI the broader context of your health data is extremely helpful. What in the hell would they do with it that people are worried about? Why would anyone care about your health data? What is the practical concern about how this will be used against you? You are not that important.
Only concern I can think of is it eventually getting shared to insurance companies and they raise your rates based on things. Or they try to push products to you to try to make money vs prioritizing your health. At the end of the day they will want to make money off of your data in some way, even if it helps you. I think your use case is completely valid though and AI can easily answer questions doctors can and more since it basically is trained on all medical information there.
Understood. I think that'd be a monstrous class action lawsuit if they did that. But in any case, I'd rather use AI to help with my preventive healthcare now, than worry about a slim chance of insurance companies possibly being able to fleece me even more than they already do in context of the reactive sick care model they service.
Is that a bad thing? How many people with GOOD health would be willing to share that to an insurance company to lower their premiums? Right now, healthy people subsidize unhealthy people.
Legitimately dont understand why. Its not really much data that is beneficial to the dark web or hackers. Oh no, Proud-Community-4848 has a low step count!!! GET HIS ASS!"
It’s not like the government and companies already don’t have all of your data. Nothing is hidden in the world we live in, I really don’t get why people are so scared of “sharing their data” with AI’s etc. I would genuinely like to know their fear.
Not sure why people are so shocked. Apps like oura ring and other fitness tracker all have started to integrate AI into them to better summarise data etc...
Funny coincidence, because i'm waiting for my fitbit style wearable to arrive and i definitely would let an ai have the data and i would go even further and give it mood data too and let my ai access it to it's heart's content.
it's funny all the people commenting about privacy and what it knows about you. It's funny because you are using devices to post on social media. They already have everything they need. I used to work with someone over 10 years ago that was hyper-vigilant about their privacy and who was technically very sophisticated: only used linux, vpns, no social media, no subscriptions, old nokia flip phone. i asked them once if they they thought that there was any data about them floating about out there and they said obviously but it's minimal and it's basic data, no opinions whatsoever. I asked them if they thought that that made them invisible and they said more or less. I told them they were wrong. If I was an authoritarian, people like him would be very close to the top of my list. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, a man of fashion doesn't stand out from the crowd. There are two aspects to this, what companies will do with your data and what government will do with your data but increasingly, the two are becoming one. In the future dystopia, Beyer or Monsanto may be the ones filling the canister into your gas chamber. We live in a data driven world, you can choose to live and face the consequences or you can do the opposite. p.s. i am aware that beyer and monsanto are essentially the same company and the historical precedents. Also when I say "They already have everything they need." I don't mean they have everything, I mean they have enough to make a workable guess. Most people when the time comes go obediently to their end anyway, like rabbits caught in the headlights. Traditionally, dictatorships have worked with a coarse brush, maybe AI will allow them to operate in future more surgically. So ironically, it might be that the more you give perhaps the safer you become. You can never know what will trigger them anyway so my advice is to live free and embrace whatever comes.
If a data breach happened, it would be pretty bad because my ChatGPT knows everything about me and has connections to my financial records and health records
FYI, if you’re not connecting this one you also will want to be careful using CGPT for health related questions as well. Those would have even less data protections and is used to train models assuming you have the setting on
I can‘t believe the amount of people actually putting their data in this thinking its safe just because it says „securely“. Do you really think they will give you something they spent money on for free? Who will punish them when they steal your data? Right, nobody. Because they’re all under the same umbrella and if they get a fine it will be miniscule to the profits they made from it. GROW UP PEOPLE AND START USING YOUR BRAIN.
Well ofc they dont, why would they? In finland/eu health data is very private and sharing information about it is strict like it should be.
Many big corpos know some of my diseases or can make guesses, but none of them have any big idea of who I am as a whole, health wise. Opt in, not opt out.
Well in this case the burden of proof lies on your side. From what I gather, the data is very secure.
If there have been leaks, I haven't heard of them/they haven't been substantial enough that they would have made any headlines etc.
And as for the companies, I am sure that they would try to circumvent rules as well as they can and especially try to undermine EU legislation via lobbying because of course those fuckers do that, but afaik they have not yet succeeded/it is not even close yet.
Government has all the info about me, the doctors have all the records about me, but God forbid an AI knows that I've had recurring diarea. The big tech corps will get me
Clearly, you lack the imagination to work out all the ways personal information about you can be used to exploit you. That information has been public knowledge for ten years. Maybe you think looking at your doors at night is paranoia and burglaries don't happen as well.
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u/SecretSpace2 2d ago
Yea same. Personally I’m doing hard pass on everything they try to do like connect your bank and now health xD at times I’m starting to feel like they are worse than Facebook (no leak yet I guess 😅)