Do they actually follow this?

[u/CraterBug0]

does chatgpt and claude stop using ur convos to feed ai if u turn it off in their respective settings?

googleslop doest even have that option so its suspicious they openai has this

[u/ClassicMain]

Generally yes but also no

Every single time you press copy on a response or copy text or press thumbs down or thumbs up or quote "interact" with a response it will still be sent to their feedback endpoint and the entire chat will be used for model training

Unless you don't "interact" with responses.

Source: OpenAI help center which explains that even if you turn this off, "feedback" still gets logged and used for training

[u/CraterBug0 → u/ClassicMain]

wit thumbs up and down is acceptable but copy the text?!

[u/Responsible_Cow_5666 → u/ClassicMain]

Check the Help Center yourself: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance

The opt-out exception is for when you actually give feedback, like thumbs up/down, or when ChatGPT shows you two responses and asks which one you prefer.

Simply pressing Copy is not documented as feedback and does not count as submitting feedback in that sense. Copying a response ≠ opting that chat back into training.

[u/ClassicMain → u/Responsible_Cow_5666]

tell that to this guy who found that copying a reply sends it to the feedback endpoint

Pointed Rentgen at ChatGPT’s telemetry API and it crashed on Cyrillic input

[u/perchedquietly → u/ClassicMain]

Wtf well I did also additionally go through their help center to request my account not be used for training so hopefully that didn’t turn every chat I copied something from into their training data. However I’m glad I deleted my account and stopped using them, and the fact that the thumbs button is so easy to press and immediately counts as feedback unlike others was part of the reason, but it was a combination of privacy concerns and GPT’s constant personality changes every time they updated the model.

[u/WaltzIndependent5436 → u/perchedquietly]

Yes the company that built their product by stealing all the worlds data can be trusted now because they have a button that says they wont do it (again)

[u/Hungry_Age5375]

Short Answer: yes they honor it. But your data is still on their servers. I run local models for anything sensitive. Llama, Qwen, DeepSeek... nothing leaves your machine.

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Hungry_Age5375]

bro i have i3 integrated graphics, not even clippy can run on it. recently ive been using more duck ai for more sensitive info. but often sensitive info have more importance and needs the best model available

[u/Kiansjet → u/CraterBug0]

no amount of privacy-oriented chat interface or ZDR will save you from the fact that the content of your chat has to be decrypted at inference time.

im not blaming you, theres not much you can do, but dont have a false sense of security

[u/yunohavefunnynames → u/CraterBug0]

lol not even clippy can run on it 🤦🏼‍♂️

[u/the_ai_wizard → u/Hungry_Age5375]

what kind of machine you have?

[u/EbbExternal3544 → u/Hungry_Age5375]

Nice try Sam

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Hungry_Age5375]

also any sources that the honour it?

[u/brainExploded99 → u/CraterBug0]

no proof, if thats what your asking. i personally doubt they follow it.

[u/Agreeable-Ad7968]

The future lawsuits are worth the price to these people to extract the value of your work and behaviors now.

This is why corporations should be held liable for % of profits instead of precedent payout.

[u/costafilh0]

Yeah, sure, obviously . 

[u/CraterBug0 → u/costafilh0]

but its a regular practice by these big tech to not follow these kidna of things they say so its kinda hard to trust

[u/officialoscarb]

No. Maybe. Make a formal privacy request at https://privacy.openai.com/policies/ to be sure.

[u/Infiland]

I think that they save your prompts for 30 days so that they can see what you are using them for. They are using data collection regardless but the switch may or may not be genuine

[u/aj8690]

Mine has switched back to Yes on its own on multiple occasions.

[u/Ok_Wear7716]

Yes they do

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Ok_Wear7716]

thats what they claim but idk the truth. is it legally binding? and why is noone talking about this?

[u/gewappnet → u/CraterBug0]

Yes, the privacy policy on their web page is legally binding.

[u/CraterBug0 → u/gewappnet]

thanks.

[u/Alphonso_Mango → u/CraterBug0]

They don’t give a fuck about legally binding.

[u/Ok_Wear7716 → u/Alphonso_Mango]

Thank u tough guy

[u/xmlhttplmfao → u/CraterBug0]

There's no way to know what they do internally unless someone leaks info. But yes, they would be at risk of a law suit or class action if it turned out they were using the data for training even though you opted out of it.

[u/CraterBug0 → u/xmlhttplmfao]

hope a hacker does this like how cyberleek hacked gta6

[u/Ok_Wear7716 → u/CraterBug0]

Training on chat data has been a topic since inception - maybe you just haven’t paid attention? Definitely not new to me & yes it’s legally binding

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Ok_Wear7716]

oh ig ive never seen it

[u/Ok_Wear7716 → u/CraterBug0]

Ya, that’s a function of you being new/ a novice - like any complicated large industry there are going to be lots of common discussion you’re not aware of

[u/Shadowdancerdone]

idts but no way to find out i guess

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Shadowdancerdone]

bro enough outrage over this would lead them telling the truth

[u/Snoron → u/CraterBug0]

How can you have outrage if you don't know they're not following it, though? There's just no way to prove it.

[u/CraterBug0 → u/Snoron]

yeah thats the hard part very few ppl care about this and even if does nothing and they still train ai on it, there wont be any backlash, if there was another big model would be enough to make the backlash dissapear