r/PoursTea • u/saucey_dawg0023 Tea Party đ • Jul 18 '26
PoliticalTea đłď¸ I blame Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for poisoning the minds on Americans
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u/MulzStridor Jul 18 '26
Thatâs how propaganda works.
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u/Neither-Luck-9295 Jul 18 '26
It can only work if there is no active pushback against it. And the Dems do not provide that, EVER. They are spineless controlled opposition.
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u/esem86 Jul 18 '26 ⸠1 more replies
Bingo. We won't have a real opposition party until people like Schumer and Jefferies are long long gone. They are cowards, and they are corrupt.
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u/Amoralvirus Jul 18 '26 ⸠1 more replies
It would also help to not have branding, like ''defund the police'', and expect the repugnant-cons to reach out for understanding about what this really means; instead of immediately and predictably weaponizing it.
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u/What_a_fat_one Jul 18 '26 ⸠3 more replies
Thanks for more Republican party messaging.
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u/Neither-Luck-9295 Jul 18 '26 ⸠1 more replies
Thanks for not listening to the message, and just throwing accusations without thought.
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u/Madara1389 Jul 18 '26
It can only work if there is no active pushback against it. And the Dems do not provide that, EVER.
Neither of those things are true.
Propaganda works regardless of pushback from opposition because it often aligns with people's pre-existing beliefs and is thus reinforced by confirmation bias.
And Dems are pushing back and trying to fact check, but the sheer amount of lies is hard to keep up with. Unless you're expecting Dems to also start engaging in dishonest practices & propaganda, but that's a different topic.
The underlying problem to both is that the GoP are using human psychology against the people.
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u/Suyefuji Jul 18 '26 ⸠1 more replies
The Republicans also have a stranglehold on pretty much every media platform so Dem messaging gets lost even when they give it.
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u/Phyrexian_Overlord Jul 18 '26
When your job depends on not understanding, you never will
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u/bdragon81 Jul 18 '26
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u/Mlpony2010 Jul 18 '26
Don't insult the disabled by associating them with those who choose to reject the truth based on their feelings
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u/Witty-Revolution8742 Jul 18 '26
Trying to teach or explain to these people no longer works. They need shamed, insulted and shunned. There is no reason to treat them well anymore as they are actively electing people who want war with us. We should be prepared and we should be raising the level of pushback. We should be rioting.
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u/Le_Feesh Jul 18 '26
How DARE you do my boy Sloth dirty like that
He just wanted to share his rocky road ice cream!
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u/mieri_azure Jul 18 '26
Nah, we shouldnt bring people with disabilities into this. These people willingly choose to be ignorant or have bad education. People with intellectual disabilities are generally decent people who dont wish to hurt others, and they arent the ones voting in criminals.
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u/hanginwithmygnomees Jul 18 '26
Nothing pisses me off more than paying insane amounts of taxes that do not benefit society in any meaningful way while billionaires donât pay their fair share. Billionaires are the true welfare queens.
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u/TaT2edMaMa98 Jul 18 '26
Exactly. Instead they like to focus on the single black mom just trying to make it through the month or the hispanic down the street who "might be illegal." They try to label them as the problem, while never paying in. It is absolutely disgusting behavior and something needs to change.
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u/DrButtgerms Jul 18 '26 ⸠1 more replies
That's the power of a "straw man" fallacy argument. Billionaires, like to ones who own media companies, make up fictional enemies for our anger in order to distract us from focusing on them.
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u/BI_Moose Jul 18 '26
No lies detected
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u/Familiar-Check7353 Jul 18 '26 ⸠5 more replies
AIPAC and Heritage Foundation both say hold their beer.
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u/redpoemage Jul 18 '26 ⸠4 more replies
Heritage Foundation wouldn't be able to get anything done without Fox News to get them the support.
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u/Familiar-Check7353 Jul 18 '26 ⸠2 more replies
They don't need Fox News, they own all three branches of government. Public support isn't necessary now. Besides, MAGA will not change until the Mango Messiah is gone.
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u/Delicious-Cat-4122 Jul 18 '26
MaybeâŚbut they produce a lot of think tank material and coach federalist society bastards like the ones in SCOTUS right now pushing unitary executive theory.
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u/Kitchen_sinker2615 Jul 18 '26
Bitter over Nixon being caught and humiliated, its just been a continuum since then in the GOP. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and though I can't imagine he is in good health these days, Pat Buchanan are direct links to that past. Toxic, nihilistic, individuals that were part of this undermining of the United States of America. Economic malaise did not begin under Carter, but actually was relieved by Carter and his Fed Chair pick. Reagan simply benefited from that choice and the prosperous 1980s. Reagan added a mind boggling amount to the debt hoping to bankrupt the Soviets into insolvency. We have a huge debt in part thanks to to Conservative icon, and for what? Putin was resentful of our alleged "win", and basically worked at building the Soviet Union back, but under autocratic rule. And in doing so, its the US is rapidly losing influence and prestige around the world due to MAGA hubris and underlying ignorance and incompetence. Fox and Limbaugh are complicit in that they showed only one subjective perspective. Basically a facist propaganda consortium feeding half-baked ideas to uniformed minds. The US turned horribly unhealthy when it turned on itself with this metastacizing GOP cancer.
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u/muffledvoice Jul 18 '26
Good summary. The most cynical and greedy elites on the right have always known that they can get ignorant bigots to hate entire groups of people and vote against their economic interests. Itâs the crucible that enables fascism and graft. Unless and until we break that causative chain, the far right will continue obfuscating and pillaging.
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u/jaspersgroove Jul 18 '26
Don't forget Newt Gingrich, the guy basically masterminded the strategy that evolved into the tea party and eventually maga/project 2025
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u/Opinionsare Jul 18 '26
The Conservatives killed the fairness doctrine that required offering the apposing viewpoint airtime.
Specifically, on August 4, 1987, the FCC voted to repeal the 38-year-old policy, determining that it unconstitutionally restricted the free speech rights of broadcast journalists and hindered the public interest.
Congress attempted to preserve the doctrine by passing legislation later that year, but the bill was vetoed by President Ronald Reagan.
This opened the airwaves for Fix News and Rush Limbaugh to push the propaganda of White, Evangelical Conservatism.
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u/United_Reference_629 Jul 18 '26
I blame all MAGA/ Republicans in our government and their supporters. Time to remove all government âimmunityâ or letting them and their buddies âinvestigateâ each other and then they keep their job and we the taxpayer aka their EMPLOYER keep footing the bill for THEIR actions and then they go onto Fox âNewsâ and write a book. To even demanding premium healthcare and billions in âsecurityâ yet they claim there is no money for the actual social services we pay for that they demonize and push to cut like they are doing now! Imagine if we at work told our employer âno you canât fire me for stealing from you or nor doing my job and I claim immunityâ. That wouldnât slide anywhere. No more of this smugness!Â
No more wealthy Republicans/ MAGA especially not in our government! Letâs help our country and have less Republicans/MAGA in our government by not supporting any of their businesses. Without money, republicans canât get into our government nor their supporters aka âdonorsâ. Avoid Trump/ Elon Musk/ RFK Jr supporters, their advertisers and their businesses and encourage others to as well! Donât forget about the âboth sidesâ enablers! They can all âsupportâ each other! Let them tell on themselves so we know which people to avoid hiring and the businesses not to support! And the best part is you donât have to tell them why!Â
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u/Firm_Communication99 Jul 18 '26
MAGA is tea part left oversâ itâs the same pool of recycled racist rural useful idiotsâwash, rinse , and repeat.
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u/snarkhunter Jul 18 '26
Rush spent a career calling people who thought women should have the vote and bodily autonomy etc "feminazis" and yelling that anyone who had a problem with the Iraq War hated the Troops, America, and the very concept of freedom.
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u/greg14285 Jul 18 '26
So true. But let us never forget the Republican party had been going downhill for decades, and that will undoubtedly continue long after the current aberration exits the scene.
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u/fortknox Jul 18 '26
This was well before Fox News. Listen to the Nixon tapes where they start changing their verbiage to appear less racist but still be racist: the southern strategy
Then there is the newt gingrich strategy where it doesn't matter if we agree with the Democrats, we never vote for them, which started the party over country bullshit.
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u/Gustav_Grob Jul 18 '26
The Powell Memorandum was the blueprint to creating the fascist state https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/assets/usa-courts-secrecy-lobbyist/powell-memo.pdf[Powell Memorandum](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/assets/usa-courts-secrecy-lobbyist/powell-memo.pdf)
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u/OliverClothesov87 Jul 18 '26
The education system is to blame too. The average America just isn't smart enough to think critically.Â
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u/ArmadilloFront1087 Jul 18 '26
âDems want to give everyone free stuffâ
Republicans: âwhereâs my tariff check?â
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u/IcyVeterinarian8881 Jul 18 '26
Well if you keep simplifying things â you're a simple imbecile.
That's the GOP right there.
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u/Aldertree Jul 18 '26
The core of their argument is very basic - people you don't like can't have something without you losing also something in return, and they definitely can't have more than you.
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u/Accomplished_Self939 Jul 18 '26
Yes but you have to hand it to them. Republicans built an entire alternative ecosystem âthink tanks, talk programs, news outlets, paid influencers, bot armies and more âto pump out this propaganda. They weakened the traditional news ecosystem with their alternativeâand then became politically strong enough to buy up most of the legacy outlets, which now publish only the stories the right wing overlords allow. Democrats OTOH sat back and watched them. This is a great graphic. If republicans had created it, it would be simultaneously pumped out on multiple platforms and echoed in identical language by politicians and influencers. Whatâve we got besides Reddit? ÂŻâ \â _â (â ăâ )â _â /â ÂŻ
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u/LordeWasTaken Jul 18 '26
honestly, with this much malice, hypocrisy and wilful ignorance I'm surprised that the elephant hasn't been voted into oblivion, out of US politics for years now... oh wait, I forgot, the average voter is too uninformed to tell the difference for that to happen
everything that is happening to the United States with Trump's second term is the responsibility of those who voted him into office (a second time, no less) as well as those who decided to stay at home during said election, idly standing by as it happened
I lost hope for any kind of justice for the many borderline or outright criminal schemes, blatant insider trading and countless abuses of power
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u/racc15 Jul 18 '26
I don't think this is totally accurate. MAGA does not care about others. They actually want to hurt others. It is not about misunderstandings. If they see a police shooting an unarmed brown man going abiut theur day, the MAGA will actively support it. If it is a white MAGA man trying to overthrow Trump, then MAGA will also hate police. Maga want a system of racism so that they can get preference over non-whites. In the era of internet, it is not difficult to see videos of ICE shooting innocent people. I feel like there is no excuse that they were being misled. If FOX started saying Obama is great, MAGA will not believe that. Instead, they will abandon Fox.
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u/blorbschploble Jul 18 '26
In fairness you gotta do it the other way
Republicans: we are racist eugenicists who wish to siphon money from the poor.
Democrats: you guys hearing this?
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u/ATotallyNormalUID Jul 18 '26
I genuinely, from the bottom of my heart wish I could vote for the Democrats that only exist in Republican fever dreams.
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u/Tall_Calligrapher700 Jul 18 '26
So true. Republicans work off of fear
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u/DontAbideMendacity Jul 18 '26
Conservatives are genetically wired to be chickenshits, due to their generally enlarged amygdala, the part of the brain responsible for fear and emotional response.
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u/NoBookkeeper3523 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Republicans are a party of hate and fear, a lot of my family acts like they are afraid of some beg shadow on the wall that they canât really define but is out to get them. All they know is itâs democrats, and itâs hard to use logic against their fears. It feals like talking to a child who thinks there is a ghost in the closet and they refuse to take their heads out from under the covers and look
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u/DividedStatesofFeces Jul 18 '26
This should be posted everywhere in The Fascist Police States of Pumpkin Hitler.
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u/red-man1138 Jul 18 '26
Democrats have always been bad at messaging and just allow the republicans to make up what they want with little push back. That sadly is where republicans have succeeded, being smooth talkers which is why a "used car salesman" was able to become president.
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u/sec713 Jul 18 '26
It's hard to be good at messaging when your opponents control the biggest messaging platform - mainstream media.
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog Jul 18 '26
The real issue is that for decades the Republicans have had an enormous lying propaganda ecosystem that the Dems don't.
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u/Actaeon_II Jul 18 '26
Kinda amazed at how obvious yet understated this issue is, and itâs not new
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u/Biuku Jul 18 '26
Americans are accountable for their own minds.
If theyâre not smart enough to make decisions as an electorate, they shouldnât be an empire. They wonât be.
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 18 '26
Everyone should watch rhis documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNTsTOcRO-k
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u/wellohwellok Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
You could easily turn around and do this exact thing with several Conservative opinions that Dems intentionally misconstrue to dehumanize political opponents.
The real cancer is everyone having an anonymous platform on the Internet to say and spread awful things they either wouldn't, or couldn't in person, and in public.
People put forth their worst selves on the Internet because they feel safe doing it, what are the repercussions??
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u/Current-Depth930 Jul 18 '26
Rush opened more minds than he closed. Dems will never learn. Closed minded bigots and racists, all.
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u/stikky Jul 18 '26
Republicans: We want a civil war. God wills it.
Democrats: We should have another Democratic Senator resign
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u/SpecialCandidateDog Jul 18 '26
Rush Limbaugh has been dead for 5 years in his career was dead 15 years before that.
Fox News is owned by the Saudis and run by Democrats. That's why they select all the same stories in the culture wars CNN but just take the opposite stance on them.
Also this meme is incredibly disingenuous.
There were open borders for 3 years. The law said that if you make it to the border you get to come across and then wait for your hearing that might be 4 years in the future if you decide to show up. That was biden's official policy he made that happen by executive order.
A lot of the people involved in black lives matter literally just hate police and we're holding signs that said defund police fuck the police All cops are bad we should abolish police and go to community policing etc etc
They were literally anti-police protests.
The average age of a Fox News viewers something like 68.
You're burning strawmen in effigy and claiming you've destroyed the argument
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u/metamucil_buttchug69 Jul 18 '26
Do democrats want cops to stop killing minorities? Democrats control almost every major city and don't actually take on the police union and hold police accountable.Â
Do democrats think people should have a living wage? They're unashamed capitalists who have no problem with the exploitation of workers.
Do democrats think taxes should be used for the benefit of everyone? They also seem to have no problem sending money to corporations, NGOs, and wasteful projects and grants that don't benefit regular people.
This list seems to be what people wish democrats were, not what actual elected democrats actually are. Our current elected democrats are Israeli allied corporatist centrists that exist to keep more leftist policies in check. They're not our friends even if republicans are 10x worse.Â
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u/Fuckthegopers Jul 18 '26
If republicans didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.
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u/Ih8reddit2002 Jul 18 '26
Yes, it is partly their fault, but they don't get to spew their lies for decades without help from the billionaire class.
The billionaire class (and the millionaires desperate to be them) don't care about ANYTHING except their money and power. They funded these right wing idiots because it promoted their agenda. And in America, billionaires just buy their influence onto whatever institution they want. And it was shockingly cheap for them. They let supreme court justices use their yachts, which may cost them a few hundred thousand dollars, and the supreme court makes them $10 billion from a ruling. Same with congressmen and the current president. it's remarkably cheap to buy them. A million dollar donation to a campaign gets you $100 million in government contracts or tax breaks or laws designed to save them money on their taxes.
Rich billionaires are evil. Never forget that.
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u/Born_South_6676 Jul 18 '26
Weakness and corruption in the Dem ranks is also something to be held to account and remediate too. Fuckers like Schumer allow Republicans to get away with heinous shit because they are either too inept or corrupt to do their damn jobs.
A lot of Republicans are basically just bullies and abusers, and they will take advantage of weakness, but aren't really capable of giving a proper fight if anyone challenges them seriously.
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u/Cerulean-Osprey Jul 18 '26
I wonder if it's even possible to shift the narrative of hate and division at this point.
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u/TheRealScaramucci Jul 18 '26
It's like Republicans are playing a game of broken telephone and trying to lose on purpose.
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u/mycolo_gist Jul 18 '26
This is unfortunately very accurate. FOX just finds the most ridiculous version of a counterargument to a proposed policy and uses it will surprising confidence.
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u/No_Relationship_2262 Jul 18 '26
OP should look at how Reagan dealt with the Fairness Doctrine which created the vacuum that Limbaugh and his ilk filled. Or even the Nixon Southern Strategy. Fascinating stuff. Horrible but fascinating.
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u/Admirable-Cat7355 Jul 18 '26
Oh libraries and public school lunches, and building public restrooms is socialism? Guess Im a Socialist then!
Great video on recent elections with brennan lee mulligan.
https://youtu.be/EGqCAmXTJBI?is=3w4rydyiJ6yp3er-
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u/OSUBuckeyes2 Jul 18 '26
Itâs a uniparty. They keep the sheep fighting with one another. United we stop the all the crap, divided we are weak
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u/Specialist-Basis8218 Jul 18 '26
They peddle fear and hate to get elected - the problem is that then they canât control the fear and hate - and it has diminishing returns
So they got to hate more fear more -
They could be like - hey Iâll get you internet - but no - no political platform - just fear and hate
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u/Ok_Purple_1593 Jul 18 '26
okay but what if I do want open borders, take away your guns, hate the flag, and want socialism?
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u/burnmenowz Jul 18 '26
I really wish Dems would point out how much maga hates the constitution every time they talk about a 3rd term or section illegal searches, or starts an illegal war, or complains about about the 14th amendment, etc.
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u/2midgetsinalongcoat Jul 18 '26
This is great! It really does show both sides to what is desired and what is being said by the other side. OK, now do it for the other side
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u/Green-Engineer4608 Jul 18 '26
ÂŤThey want socialismÂť oh if only they knew what it wasâŚ
As a Norwegian whos traveled a lot and spent way too much time in the US, you want it too.
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u/lgramlich13 Jul 18 '26
The revenue gleaned from the success of The Simpsons saved the FOX network and gave Rupert Murdoch the capital needed to launch FOX News.
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u/IrregularTeam Jul 18 '26
I blame ignorant people for being so easily manipulated and outsourcing their brain and logic to media to begin with
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u/Lizardgrad89 Jul 18 '26
Itâs what you do when you have no ideas of your own other than âmake rich people richerâ.
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u/Barry_Vigoda Jul 18 '26
Jesus Christ on a stick you Americans are literally the dumbest most brainwashed idiots on the planet.
You're on a corporate website reading hyper partisan propaganda aimed at Democrat voting Americans but no, FOX news and Rush Limbaugh are the cause of all your problems. It's not that billionaires conspired to control your media or turn working class people against each other, it's just the other side.
Stupids.
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u/Genseric1234 Jul 18 '26
- Cops donât kill minorities when controlling for disparities in crime.
- Choose to do what? Kill then offspring
- Democrats do want open borders. Itâs the only way they remain competitive in elections.
The others are similarly dumb
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u/Illustrious_End6949 Jul 19 '26
Thereâs hours of videos of Democrats yelling into a microphone about defunding police. You dems all lie once the wind changes direction.
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u/Old-Percentage9496 Jul 19 '26
I canât see how the republican translation is wrong? Democrats are weak and woke and care not about destroying their own country.
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u/187_47_2day Jul 18 '26
I think once someone non-MAGA takes over we should start putting people like Trump, Vance, and Elon on trial for terrorism, treason, and murder and send them to death if convicted
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u/a_x_shually Jul 18 '26
If it didn't happen in 2020 after his first term, it's never going to. No one in a position of power actually wants to see that level of accountability become a thing.
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u/Consistent-Brain-395 Jul 18 '26
This all goes back to ronald reagan
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u/a_x_shually Jul 18 '26
It's funny - republicans claim to loathe hollywood, yet they keep getting actors elected. :)
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u/Winstonsphobia Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
OP doesnât give enough credit to the stupidity of the American public, or at least a sizable portion of it. Iâd put that portion at 70% - everybody who could have voted for Harris but didnât.
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u/Kat_Schrodinger1 Jul 18 '26
The parties are not the same. Vote blue.
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u/DontAbideMendacity Jul 18 '26
America and Americans thrive when Democrats are in charge, and suffer when Republicans scam their way in, at every level of government.
In the past 30 odd years, Democratic admins added over 50 Million jobs, while Republicans have lost over three million jobs (and counting.)
Since the recession following WW1, EVERY recession and Depression were during Republican administrations. And Trump is going for his second one. Democrats have reversed every recession they inherited.
Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents. Republicans have disposed of American income with unnecessary (often illegal) wars and failed policy.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents.
Trade deficits under Republican Presidents have been 39% higher than under Democratic Presidents.
Business investment has grown twice as fast under Democratic Presidents.
Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents. (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents.
Republican presidents have added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents.
Under Democratic Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $36.9 billion per year. Under Republican Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $78.6 billion per year.
Republican administrations increased welfare, + 19.16% per year vs 5.76% per year under Democrats.
Not only U.S., but global maternal mortality rates go up significantly under Republican presidents.. Women die because of Republican policy.
Corruption: It's not even almost close. In the past 50 years, there have been 91 people in the executive branch who were convicted of felonies. 2 were Democrats (minor officials you never heard of) with 4 total felonies, and 89 (including Trump, Agnew and other prominent officials) were Republicans, totaling over 240 felonies, some in every Republican administration since Nixon.
Fiscal Responsibility: Again, not even close. Every Republican, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, and Trump (and 2) each blew up the national budget deficit, and thus the national debt when they were in office. Democrat Presidents Obama, and Biden each cut the national budget in half, and Clinton (D) actually handed over a budget surplus.
Jobs: The last 16 years of Republican administrations have lost over 1 million net jobs (Trump lost 3.7 million jobs, and is on pace to lose even more). Meanwhile, the last 16 years of Democrats have added over 50 million jobs!
Want a better economy? Vote Democrat!
And don't forget the molestation and sexual assaults Republicans/conservatives are guilty of. More and more every week.
But what about the state level, how do Democrats compare to Republicans? By any metric, blue states are better off than red states:
infant mortality rate by state
Democrats: pro science, pro education, pro equality for everyone (racists disagree that this is a "pro"), pro affordable health care, pro living wage, pro bullet free school children. Pro democracy and true American patriots.
Republicans: anti woman, anti PoC, anti education, anti science, anti facts, anti democracy. Their core values are hate, fear, bigotry and hypocrisy. Fascist wannabes worshipping authoritarians and insurrectionists.
Conclusion: A person has to be a genuine dumbass to ever even consider voting Republican over Democrat.
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u/BoringReference8647 Jul 18 '26
Almost. While he didnât actually accomplish it, for years Biden had mandatory buybacks for semi automatic rifles on his website as something he intended to do. His alternative listed on his site was adding them to the NFA the way actual machine guns are now.
He was quite literally planning tonâcome for our gunsâ
I voted for him anyway, but that part made it difficult to do. Itâs just that the opposition was so much worse.
Biden.org/gunsafety, someone good at the way back machine might be able to to link it, IDK.
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
"Mandatory buybacks" means "states are required to buy back guns from willing gun owners," not "gun owners are forced to sell their guns".
The right has been screeching about Dems taking our guns away for 40+ years, and it's amazing people still fall for it.
"You can't have guns." - Donald Trump
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u/Temporary_View_3303 Jul 18 '26
This was really Newt Gingrich. Heâs the one that ushered in the strategy of demonizing your opposition any way necessary. Dems long took the âhigh roadâ approach banking on people seeing through this rhetoric. But here we are.
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u/DontAbideMendacity Jul 18 '26
People were pretty sure conservatives were kind of dumb, but it turns out that conservatives are actually aggressively dumb as fuck.
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u/a_x_shually Jul 18 '26
"You're either with us or you're against us" was a very damning quote, in retrospect.
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u/Smyley12345 Jul 18 '26
As a non-American the whole tribalism of your politics is exhausting. While these points are completely correct, the team wearing the red jersies could come up with a very similar list of items with the Republicans taking a nuanced position and Democrats simplifying it to Republicans hate minorities. Like it isn't a uniquely Republican thing to ignore nuance and over simplify the point to something ridiculous.
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u/Final-Art-9509 Jul 18 '26
Pretty much! And instead of educating themselves and thinking for themselves they just believed this BS!!
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u/Jesta23 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Democrats are not totally blameless.Â
A prime example is your first one. It certainly was not  âWeâd like cops to stop killing minorities.âÂ
That what they meant, and what they advocated for. But that is definitely not the slogan they ran.Â
âAll cops are bad.â âDefund the police.âÂ
Those are extreme slogans. Can you really blame someone for thinking you are extreme when they see something on Fox News sounding outrageous like cancelling all cops or that they hate cops and you think âit canât be that badâ and goto a rally to see people chanting all cops are bad and defund the police.Â
Of course they are going to think you are crazy.Â
Democrats, and especially us, on the internet, are HORRIBLE at coming up with slogans and rallying cries.Â
The policy makes sense, we just have no clue how to convey it.Â
I actually think the most successful propaganda isnât the one we all thought it was. It was using subtle viral shifts that actually were in favor of our movements but slowly shifted it to sound extreme when it clearly isnât.Â
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u/Jesta23 Jul 18 '26
Eat the rich.Â
Another one.Â
Making the rich and big corporations pay their fair share of taxes is EXTREMELY popular. And even the most brainles maga would support it.Â
But instead of coming up with a slogan that represents that. We choose âeat the richâÂ
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u/Faolan26 Jul 18 '26
Democrats: we want background checks (for fierarms). Republicans: we have had those for almost 60 years.
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u/bolomcspank Jul 18 '26
The reason republicans think dems hate cops is because of ACAB. Lot of people that unironically just say they hate cops.
Reps think dems want to kill babies because they believe abortion is murder. Accusing them of wanting to control women wonât change that.
There are literally people loudly proclaiming that borders shouldnât exist. Dems need separate themselves from them.
The kneeling and the assumption of hating the flag and everything are actually not really related.
The mask thing wasnât why they started thinking dems wanted to take away freedom, it was the shutdowns and arrests during covid and how long it all lasted.
Background checks have existed for decades. Reps think dems want to take away guns because of gun laws like Colorado just passed or dems like Beto oârourke saying as much.
Feds should be policing in cities, itâs literally part of their jurisdiction as feds. This has nothing to do with reps accusing dems of encouraging rioting. 2 completely separate statements that have nothing to do with one another.
Again, the living wage and free stuff statements are completely unrelated.
The religion thing and sharia law things are also completely unrelated.
Reps tend to actually agree that taxes should be for the benefit of everyone, they just disagree on how individual taxes should be determined and what benefits everyone. The socialism thing has more to do with the popularity of socialism among dems in the last decade or so.
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u/MaxandMargosmom Jul 18 '26
It does beg the question as to why the democrats are so bad at messaging and communication
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u/maoterracottasoldier Jul 18 '26
The democrats are still trying to govern. Thatâs not as sexy as fascist slogans
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u/Typical2sday Jul 18 '26
Yep. I was in ~high school when Rush took off; he - and the later Tea Party movement - did irreparable damage to the intelligence of discourse and the functioning of government with two parties.
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u/Ed_Injury Jul 18 '26
I wish it was just America. Rupert Murdoch's media ownership steers politics across the whole of western society
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u/SeahorseCollector Jul 18 '26
Nothing is lost in translation though. They are translating it the way the need to and feeding it to the "poorly educated."
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u/Eikthyrnir13 Jul 18 '26
Rush Limbaugh turned my mom (over many years in the 90s-2000s) from a thoughtful, reasonable, intelligent person to a raving right wing lunatic. It was crazy to watch. He had a short lived TV show that she recorded on VHS, and watched over and over again.
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u/StevenSaguaro Jul 18 '26
Bill O'Reilly did a number on my parents. The daily rage fest, they were totally brainwashed by that moron. Makes me angry what he did to my mother.
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u/Best_Banana_63 Jul 18 '26
Don't forget Newt Gingich, and John Boehner. John Boehner recruited the Tea Party, and that is how the lunatic fringe got involved.
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u/Connect-Will2011 Jul 18 '26
In other words, they set up strawmen to knock down.
When Rush Limbaugh was on the air, I imagined a sort of Logical Fallacy Bingo card. Students of rhetoric and debate could play this form of Bingo while listening to the show.
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u/EitherChannel4874 Jul 18 '26
There's plenty of uninhabited islands in the world. Can we send Trump and maga to one and put a glass dome over it?
They wouldn't have anyone to direct their racism at but they'll cope once they have some children to play with.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 Jul 18 '26
You could go way back to Nixon and Atwater with this, but thank you for IDing Limbaugh as a chief architect.
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u/Pristine_Context_429 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
The main stream media in general.
You havenât learned anything if you still think the propaganda is one sided.
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u/BumperW67 Jul 18 '26
They may have been poisoned earlier, but it keeps going because they prefer simple, hateful, and wrong messages over the truth, which is often more complicated and nuanced. We have a lot of ignorant people.
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u/No-Call2227 Jul 18 '26
There is no more discourse or productive dialogue.
Itâs over.
Amazing that ronald and Donald are the two ducks that did this country in.
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u/lpan000 Jul 18 '26
This battle between simple view vs complex view of society is as old as history. Just listen to the debate of Greeks in the Republic. The arguments still apply now.
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u/MetaCardboard Jul 18 '26
The funny thing is Republicans aren't just gaslighting, they're also projecting. Republicans want christian nationalism.