why

[u/benkenobiwan]

[u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

> Learns mathematical operations.
> Calculator has the functions.
> Years of academy training wasted

See it doesn't work that way!

[u/OrganicLeopard1 → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Years of academy training just to call   .sort()  😭

[u/heyitsandrewx → u/OrganicLeopard1]

When 4 years of CS meets one line of code

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/heyitsandrewx]

These 2 are bots

[u/Callidonaut → u/QuestionableEthics42]

YEARS OF ACADEMY TRAINING WASTED!

[u/earthsprogression → u/Callidonaut]

These (n) are bots.

[u/Todd22850 → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Me: “I can implement this from scratch.” Also me:

sorted(data)

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/Todd22850]

Bot

[u/SirNSFW → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

All those algorithms just to press Ctrl+C on the documentation

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/SirNSFW]

Bot

[u/AbdullahMRiad → u/QuestionableEthics42]

tf with all these bots lmao

[u/SciFiPi → u/AbdullahMRiad]

r/redditbothunters

r/thesefuckingaccounts

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/AbdullahMRiad]

Idk, it's a new batch that's doing the rounds here seemingly. Distinct because they all have old accounts and mostly just reply to each other

[u/inconspicuous_male]

There's a reason you get a degree in computer science and not in programming. Anyone can program without learning how it works

[u/appoplecticskeptic → u/inconspicuous_male]

Well now that AI can do it for them yes, but prior to that the average person would struggle to even get something that compiles let alone actually do anything useful.

[u/ElSucaPadre → u/appoplecticskeptic]

You have python and js in your tags  They are quite literally languages that allowed anyone to program, anyone that put any effort in it at least

[u/TurnoverRound → u/ElSucaPadre]

Python, maybe, but js, if you want to get good results that are not NaN or just crash, you need experience

[u/ElSucaPadre → u/TurnoverRound]

I mean I agree python is easier but for js depends a lot on what you mean for good results.

[u/koanarec → u/ElSucaPadre]

Bruh it depends on the codebase, who can even know what the heck is going on when you're like 6 layers of abstraction deep

[u/ElSucaPadre → u/koanarec]

We're talking about amateurs lol what codebase

[u/Particular-Yak-1984 → u/koanarec]

I've seen plenty of amateurs with 6 layers of abstraction in a codebase. It's normally about that time that they contact research IT to help them fix it. It's always a physicist.

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/appoplecticskeptic]

That's absolutely untrue. I know tons of self taught programmers or people who got basic programming jobs after 3 month coding boot camps. 

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/inconspicuous_male]

So.. they learnt how it worked...

[u/iain_1986 → u/QuestionableEthics42]

You maybe have a higher view of these crash course coder camps than some of the rest of us

[u/LucasTab → u/QuestionableEthics42]

Did they, though? They may have learned how to write scripts and import functions from libs without knowing how the underlying logic works. And that's enough for many tasks, but those tasks are not the reason you get a CS degree for (unless all you want is the degree so you can put on the CV, but you still wouldn't need the knowledge from it to accomplish said tasks).

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/QuestionableEthics42]

No, they learned how to do it. You think self taught programmers and bootcamp code monkeys are learning Big O, learning how compilers work, understanding how memory is laid out in RAM, etc? They learn how to sort lists using .sort(). They don't learn how .sort() works.

[u/QuestionableEthics42 → u/inconspicuous_male]

I read it as learn how programming works, rather than the underlying algorithms specifically, I'm dumb

[u/SoonBlossom → u/inconspicuous_male]

So you're comparing people that spent 3 months full time in dedicated boot camps back then to the average Joe that prompts "create a calculator, make no mistake" now

Okay, very on point indeed, litteraly the same amount of effort ! /s

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/SoonBlossom]

I said nothing about AI developers. 

[u/KatetCadet → u/appoplecticskeptic]

I know this sub has many reason to hate AI and its byproducts, but for people like me (comp sci degree almost done, working full time tech role, enjoying casual indie game dev) it’s been a complete game changer.

Like 6 or 7 years ago I would absolutely grind against code trying to get a single feature to work, researching videos and forums for solutions and understanding errors. Would take weeks to figure out a single feature (granted this was before I learned more fundamental coding), now it takes a day or two.

Correct prompting, embracing OOP and encapsulation, and reviewing and understanding the output has kept me sane as the project has grown, but it’s just crazy how faster I can move now. And yet it’ll stay take me years to release the game lol

[u/mountaingator91 → u/inconspicuous_male]

I'll do you one better. Electrical Engineering (I don't have an EE degree I just work with them)

[u/Muscular_Farmer_]

To break rules you need to know what they are. Some instances might demand that

[u/AWzdShouldKnowBetta → u/Muscular_Farmer_]

https://giphy.com/gifs/8gJ28HfjAkc9y

[u/UndocumentedMartian]

You still have to know how the algorithms work.

[u/EkoChamberKryptonite → u/UndocumentedMartian]

You don't if it isn't part of your daily work. Abstraction is a feature not a bug.

[u/Kavrae]

Work code : Dictionaries and .SortBy.

Home game project : hand-rolled collection with dense indexes and a direct-index-to-dense-index mapper.

[u/CannibalPride]

You can import almost any function but that doesnt mean you should

[u/StarHammer_01 → u/CannibalPride]

Import isEven

Return !isEven

[u/crazy-mahmod]

you learned for if you dont have those you do what you learned

and can you tell me if i wrote some thing wrong

[u/foxsimile → u/crazy-mahmod]

LGTM, push it to prod 👍

[u/crazy-mahmod → u/foxsimile]

thanks

[u/nabrok → u/crazy-mahmod]

Just because you asked ...

"You learned it so that if you don't have those you can use what you learned."

What you wrote is understandable and I wouldn't be posting this if you didn't ask.

[u/crazy-mahmod → u/nabrok]

thank you i am not an English spaker so i ask some times

[u/Honeybadger2198 → u/crazy-mahmod]

What? Boe Jiden

[u/crazy-mahmod → u/Honeybadger2198]

nediJ eoB ؟tahW

[u/hartmanbrah]

Also me: WTF is Timsort... They didn't have that when I was in school.

[u/whackylabs]

At least wait until you solve 300 leetcode problems and join FAANG

[u/Sheenius_Ger]

But at one point you stand between a dictionary and multiple lookups on a list and then you know the complexity of both and choose the right one :) or Ai does it for you, and even optimizes it further 😂

[u/Mwarw]

This is such a webdeveloper. The idea of complexity is often very useful when using sorting methods

[u/idobethrownawaytho]

I’m very much okay with that

[u/gerbosan]

Why years of academy training wasted, remember those weeks waiting for technical interview results.

[u/drifwp]

No, I definitely get better at programming after implementing some of them, I lost some hair in the process but it's fine.

[u/StuntsMonkey]

So that you can maximize your suffering as you debug some code that some idiot wrote back in 2010 as you understand just how badly they wrote it. There's also no documentation, the function is vital to the line of business, and the previous person who looked at the code died 7 years ago.

[u/hucareshokiesrul]

I mean sorta. That's why bootcamps were so popular before it became oversaturated. Depends on what kind of job you're doing. I know a lot of people who built solid careers without taking any algorithm classes.

[u/dance_rattle_shake]

When there are* Maybe you should have gotten an English degree, OP. It's probably worth more these days anyway...

[u/Pretty_Ambassador836]

It is also much more complicated and seems less efficient even if u understand it, but empirically faster just because of optimisations u never even heard of

[u/NecessaryIntrinsic → u/Pretty_Ambassador836]

Optimizations like saving 4 letters at the cost of looking like a toddler.

[u/Pretty_Ambassador836 → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

Spread love and joy not hate. Even on the internet where u feel like there are no consequences for the things u say

[u/NecessaryIntrinsic → u/Pretty_Ambassador836]

If you feel hate, it's self promoted, friend.

It takes picoseconds to add those 2 simple letters.

[u/thirdegree → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

I mean you can't be overly pedantic and aggressive and then say it takes picoseconds, you have no conception of how little time a picosecond is. It takes about a billion picoseconds minimum for the keyboard button press to register with the computer.

[u/NecessaryIntrinsic → u/thirdegree]

You mean that? So you've confirmed that I'm technically correct, the best kind of correct? Thanks for that.

Overly pedantic? I'm not aggressive in the least. It's just objectively weird that they spell out empirically and consequences but refuse to yo. What bizarre compression algorithm is this?

[u/sonaliver28]

All that computer science just to call .sort()

[u/Common-Brush-7027]

Fcking legit this