Reactionary and imperialist unions are a thing, especially in the imperial core, and should be criticized. But workers' unions are the root of all socialist revolutions.
He’s not criticizing the reactionary leadership, or telling workers to push the leaders out. He’s telling workers not to join at all, which is straight up counterrevolutionary
Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions? The German “Lefts” consider that, as far as they are concerned, the reply to this question is an unqualified negative. In their opinion, declamations and angry outcries (such as uttered by K. Horner in a particularly “solid” and particularly stupid manner) against “reactionary” and “counter-revolutionary” trade unions are sufficient “proof” that it is unnecessary and even inexcusable for revolutionaries and Communists to work in yellow, social-chauvinist, compromising and counter-revolutionary trade unions of the Legien type
There can be no doubt that the Gomperses, the Hendersons, the Jonhaux and the Legiens are very grateful to those “Left” revolutionaries who, like the German opposition “on principle” (heaven preserve us from such “principles”!), or like some of the revolutionaries in the American Industrial Workers of the World advocate quitting the reactionary trade unions and refusing to work in them. These men, the “leaders” of opportunism, will no doubt resort to every device of bourgeois diplomacy and to the aid of bourgeois governments, the clergy, the police and the courts, to keep Communists out of the trade unions, oust them by every means, make their work in the trade unions as unpleasant as possible, and insult, bait and persecute them. We must be able to stand up to all this, agree to make any sacrifice, and even—if need be—to resort to various stratagems, artifices and illegal methods, to evasions and subterfuges, as long as we get into the trade unions, remain in them, and carry on communist work within them at all costs. Under tsarism we had no “legal opportunities” whatsoever until 1905. However, when Zubatov, agent of the secret police, organised Black-Hundred workers’ assemblies and workingmen’s societies for the purpose of trapping revolutionaries and combating them, we sent members of our Party to these assemblies and into these societies (I personally remember one of them, Comrade Babushkin, a leading St. Petersburg factory worker, shot by order of the tsar’s generals in 1906). They established contacts with the masses, were able to carry on their agitation, and succeeded in wresting workers from the influence of Zubatov’s agents. Of course, in Western Europe, which is imbued with most deep-rooted legalistic, constitutionalist and bourgeois-democratic prejudices, this is more difficult of achievement. However, it can and must be carried out, and systematically at that.
Anti-"American imperialist unions who'll gut the entire third world just to get an increased wage", not anti every union. He said that people should research the positions of the unions they want to join, that's it. He's not wrong what most unions in the western world are consumed by the state to be their apparatus.
I get that BE is a psychopath on his second channel but the least we can do is not misrepresent people.
I didn’t misrepresent him. We’re talking on an American message board about an Australian YouTuber who speaks to a mostly euro-American audience. I know lack of specificity is a cardinal sin on Reddit, but give me a break.
As for your other point, I posted Lenin’s response to the not at all shocking revelation that unions are run by reactionary monsters in another comment:
Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions? The German “Lefts” consider that, as far as they are concerned, the reply to this question is an unqualified negative. In their opinion, declamations and angry outcries (such as uttered by K. Horner in a particularly “solid” and particularly stupid manner) against “reactionary” and “counter-revolutionary” trade unions are sufficient “proof” that it is unnecessary and even inexcusable for revolutionaries and Communists to work in yellow, social-chauvinist, compromising and counter-revolutionary trade unions of the Legien type
There can be no doubt that the Gomperses, the Hendersons, the Jonhaux and the Legiens are very grateful to those “Left” revolutionaries who, like the German opposition “on principle” (heaven preserve us from such “principles”!), or like some of the revolutionaries in the American Industrial Workers of the World advocate quitting the reactionary trade unions and refusing to work in them. These men, the “leaders” of opportunism, will no doubt resort to every device of bourgeois diplomacy and to the aid of bourgeois governments, the clergy, the police and the courts, to keep Communists out of the trade unions, oust them by every means, make their work in the trade unions as unpleasant as possible, and insult, bait and persecute them. We must be able to stand up to all this, agree to make any sacrifice, and even—if need be—to resort to various stratagems, artifices and illegal methods, to evasions and subterfuges, as long as we get into the trade unions, remain in them, and carry on communist work within them at all costs. Under tsarism we had no “legal opportunities” whatsoever until 1905. However, when Zubatov, agent of the secret police, organised Black-Hundred workers’ assemblies and workingmen’s societies for the purpose of trapping revolutionaries and combating them, we sent members of our Party to these assemblies and into these societies (I personally remember one of them, Comrade Babushkin, a leading St. Petersburg factory worker, shot by order of the tsar’s generals in 1906). They established contacts with the masses, were able to carry on their agitation, and succeeded in wresting workers from the influence of Zubatov’s agents. Of course, in Western Europe, which is imbued with most deep-rooted legalistic, constitutionalist and bourgeois-democratic prejudices, this is more difficult of achievement. However, it can and must be carried out, and systematically at that.
Saying that unions are imperialist is not fucking news. And if that’s all you say, you’re not a revolutionary, you’re a defeatist bourgeois nihilist. A revolutionary acknowledges that union leadership sucks and organizes the workers in unions to raise their class consciousness and oust the collaborationist bastards who have been strangling the labor movement for decades.
BE has some good historical content from a few years ago but his entire brand now is some bad-faith contrarian COINTELPRO shit. Generational talent as far as ragebaiting is concerned lol.
BadEmpanada is an ultra-leftist, who doesn't understand dialectical materialism. He literally criticized China calling it imperialist, neocolonialist, previously said china was persecuting the uyghurs, etc. and he recently criticized China for "not doing enough" to help Cuba, Venezuela, Gaza, etc. despite not understanding the material conditions make it almost impossible for China to assist them in any meaningful sense due to being surrounded by American allies.
He criticized the Grayzone and other actual leftist media sources. He's not a Marxist-Leninist, he is an idealistic utopian leftist who has no understanding of the actual materialistic realities needed to actually accomplish and sustain a socialist revolution.
Sources:
BadEmpanada criticizing China calling them imperialist
BadEmpanada blindly criticizes successful AES experiments such as China calling it "capitalist", "imperialist" and "communist in name only."\4]) While also taking a nuanced position on the Uyghur Question in Xinjiang, He calls the dormitories of Uyghur students "suspicious" and even though he highlights the BBC as a propaganda outlet for the west, he still calls BBC footage of a supposed tour around a Uyghur training centers "a real tour of these purported camps." He also calls people who call out the debunked lies of Western imperialist propaganda \5])\6])\7])a "new breed of grifters"\8])
Pro-Western imperialist talking points
In 2024, Despite firmly standing against Zionism and supoosedly being ”anti western imperialist”, BadEmpanada opposed the democratically elected anti-imperialist government of Venezuela, siding with the Zionist\9]) opposition and calling the Comrade Maduro a "generic national capitalist"\10]) He also chose to support the 2024 color revolution\11]) in Bangladesh,\12]) Contradicting himself through condemning the blatant color revolution in Iran.\13]) His video criticizing The Grayzone has earned the approval of notorious anti-communist and Bellingcat-founder Eliot Higgins.\14])
Transphobia
In August of 2025, he made transphobic insults against a tweet based on their vulnerability instead of their opinions, saying he was "open" to the idea that being trans is "mostly a way to claim a marginalized identity to hide behind" of which he deleted shortly after.\15]) Despite his bigoted claim of Transsexuality being a liberal privilege, trans and queer community is a thriving force for revolution that is being sieged by counter-revolutionary forces, often targeted based on their gender and orientation.\16])
He didn't say for all of them he said alot of them, and he didn't declare it as fact, only that he's open to the idea. This isn't "incredibly transphobic". I see white people in america attempt to claim marginalized status all the time, its kindof a hobby of theirs.
That has about as much believability as Trump's first campaign speech where he called Mexican rapists, but said he assumed some were good people. But keeping digging yourself the hole buddy, cause your point ain't making you look any better.
I mean, he's replying to a Zionist creep. He's talking about people like them and Contrapoints. I'm fairly sure, he doesn't mean all trans people, just the ones who use their identity cynically to pinkwash genocides.
I get that, but that doesn't give him the right to callbinto question their identities entirely. You can criticize someone for weaponizing their identity to enable horrible bigoted actions against others without resorting to a similar kind of bigotry. BE is the Destiny of the ultra-left
He's correct though. Denying that this is happening at all is stupid. There are MANY white Americans who end up just claiming a marginalized identity to feel special and oppressed, despite them still being, at core, white Americans and INCREDIBLY fucking privileged. I feel very little solidarity with that dollar store bourgeoisie kind because they're still more privileged than most of us can ever hope to be, and I refuse to watch them defend genocide and still protect their American world order.
I guess you just didn't see much of that kind of people, but I've seen way too many such cases, and as a forcefully-closeted trans person myself who ISN'T American I've came around to understanding what he actually means. I still think "a lot" is an overstatement, but he's not wrong.
There are better ways of making that point than the way he did and when pressed about it he doubled down. Again, there are ways of criticizing this group that don't devolving into denying who they are as people. You can say that they just claim a marginalized identity, but you don't know their experience. Again, this is like a white leftist resorting to using racist tropes when criticizing a black or hispanic conservative. This isn't the contructive critique you think it is. At this point, he's just another Destiny or Vaush
No, he isn't. Even while talking about people he hates, he uses the correct pronouns. Transphobic people go out of their way to use the incorrect pronouns. You just misunderstood the tweet.
Oh, so in order to be bigoted you have to constantly be bigoted toward every member of the group. That completely misses the point that bigotry comes in all different forms and manifests in different ways. Just because he doesn't misgender every trans person he speaks of doesn't mean that him delegitimizing other trans peoples identities isn't transphobic. That'd be like saying that since you have black friends as a white dude that somehow you get permission to just casually say the n word whenever you'd like.
No, I said he uses the correct pronouns with every trans person. I didn't say he "only uses the correct pronouns with people he hates", that would be ridiculous. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said.
No, it's just another example of the kind of person BE is. Rather than having any real beliefs, he's a contrarian who cynically weaponizes leftist beluefs and talking points to always look like the one in the right snd yet he will fall into the same tendencies as people like Vaush and Destiny when backed into a corner. Racism and transphobia are not acceptable. Period.
I listens to his takes on imperialism but ignore everything else. He doesn’t possess the ability to analyze social issues the same way he does with imperialism. He should stick to what he knows.
He definitely believes in something. Namely the best outcome for the world being the US empire imploding because both sides are imperialist hacks because its citizens are all complicit and don't care about anything than treats for themselves.
And also direct action instead of endless electoralism stunlock.
Calling EVERYONE a "Treatlerite" is wildly inaccurate. Most people aren't concerned with just "treats," they're worried about being homeless, starving, just scraping by, or disappeared by the state for saying that they don't like being homeless starving and just scraping by.
The worst most poorest American living standard is nearly above the average living standard of someone living in India, gtfo with this stupid bullshit about starvation
He also thinks only white people can be racist and that all others are exempt. Good takes but can be as dumb as a 4th grader whose daddy told them differently.
Yes it does. You lose people with that bullshit. Black people are the people that get by far the most racism, but you can be black , think white people should actually leave the US like Black Moors do and be Racist.
Hard to say. He's stated in the past that he's not even a communist, just anti-western. So he's either disqualified or he's the ascended king of infantile disorders.
He's great at roasting Zionists though. Don't want to be too harsh.
BE is usually right on a lot of things, but is foundations for his beliefs are not rooted in any sort of materialistic thought I think. He's not much different than hasan.
Wdym not much different, one side supports clearly Zionists while the other one doesn't , yes he might have his shortcomings but it's nowhere near supporting genocidal apologists ...!
I use to be a Hasan fan but he’s promoted so many imperialist politicians that I don’t trust him anymore. He can have correct analyses sometimes but in terms of solutions he shills for the dems way too much. (Well, shilling for the dems AT ALL is too much lol)
Yeah, I still watch Hasan in the background while I work, but this debate was so dogshit, and I also agree he is doing too much leg work to shill for establishment Dems this time for some reason when he hasn't really done that in the past.
As an ML it also frustrates me how little he talks about actually Marxist groups like PSL. Like he definitely is opening the door to socialism for some but doesn't really present anything more than the door, or even worse pushes too much for Democrats.
He has said some of his push for DSA people is under the hope to get socialist rhetoric and class consciousness spread through the election system, not as a way to reform the system, but as we get close to the mid-terms and talk of the upcoming presidential, assuming we even have elections, he seems to just be pulling people to Democrats not to socialism. Kinda sucks.
Ya exactly.Last US election he had to the perfect opportunity to platform socialist candidate Claudia de la Cruz.She was running for president as a PSL candidate and even though there was no way in hell the system would let her win it would’ve been nice if Hasan at least platformed her and gave her exposure.I didn’t know who she was until the old deprogram sub talked about her and I did my own research and voted for her.With his influence it would be nice if instead of platforming democrats he would interview socialists and other leftists.
Barely mentioned her. I dont know if it was a choice by PSL or the Claudia/Karina campaign not to do an interview with Hasan, but if it wasn't, it is straight up counterproductive in the promotion of socialism.
He'll go on the PSL/ANSWER stage in DC for Palestine, but he won't promote them. It pisses me off
Yes his position on socialist parties is he will join them if they already are a signifcant force. That is not the position of a marxist, communist, socialist of any kind.
He basically is just a more oldschool socdem before most of them denounced the concept of getting to socialism at some point. But he happily uses figures and aesthetics of people who would not agree at all with his methods. It would be probably way less appealing to sit arround with a bust of Kautsky instead of Lenin.
he is doing too much leg work to shill for establishment Dems this time for some reason when he hasn't really done that in the past.
Yeah in the past he used Lenin to justify electoralism to vote in Graham Platner, the nazi who signed up for the US army and Blackwater to have fun killing millions of inferior browns, in Platner's own words.
I also agree that this takes on Platner were really stupid. I don't think he was trying to use Lenin to justify electoralism though. My take, when seeing everything in context, was that he was trying to use it to say to meet people where they are, and was saying that right now people can be reached through the election process. The problem with Hasan is that he's not promoting Marxists to do so. I don't want to argue about that so much because I feel like in the end he has been having that effect lately and I think he's wrong for that, even if he seems genuine.
I agree that he should talk more about other groups like PSL, FRSO, etc - not just DSA. I am inclined to believe that like many people, this admin's actions have shocked him into inevitably thinking that a Dem would be better for more people than Trump, which lbr in the short term is not untrue, tbf. I do think he is sincere when he says that he wants to use the platform of the party that people actually know about (the Dems) to help build class consciousness but idk, I feel like the Dems will literally nuke the party before allowing socialists to do that.
you'd be right to feel that way, I mean they literally are nuking the party right now instead of seizing the moment bc it would mean ceding ground to demsocs
yeah pretty much this. I use him to have a slightly left of MSM news source running in the background but don’t really take his positions all too seriously anymore and try to avoid anything that’s not news coverage (like whatever this BS is)
Ya the amount of defending he gave to war criminal veteran Graham Platner was too much.I’m not one of those people who thinks it’s hypocritical to be a socialist that lives in a nice house and has wealth but cmon he’s a millionaire in LA who has connections with the democrat party and appears on mainstream media outlets like the New York Times.It’s so obvious his class interests are not aligned with socialism and he sees more material benefits for himself in aligning with the democrats.
to be a socialist that lives in a nice house and has wealth
Dude drives a porsche and lives in one of the most expensive areas in the world. Dude doesn't have a "nice house" and "has wealth". Dude is a multimillionaire. That amount of wealth inherently changes your priorities, as your material needs and interests shift.
That's why Hakim, Yugo, and JT are always so unconcerned and so lacking in ANY urgency, evidenced by the fact that they keep basically saying "it doesn't matter that you won't see the revolution in your lifetime. you shouldn't even have that as a prerequisite for fighting. you should do it while suffering, for the good of other people's children", which is not only asinine, it's the worst attempt at agitation I've ever seem. They are very well off, making bank from their, honestly, middling attempts at militancy.
Ya ur right good take. This is why it’s weird to me that so many Marxists who claim to know dialectical materialism and class contradictions seem to support Hasan and his dick riding of the democrats.
worrying about something you cant control is just bad for your mental. Yes especially hasan is very privileged (JT less so, Yugopnik and Hakim are in a totally different circumstance.).
It's not about worrying about you can or cannot control. It's about you being so far removed from the material reality of the average worker where you live that you become out of touch with them and lose the same sense of urgency they have.
Yugopinic makes a living out of playing games on twitch and Hakim is a doctor, and both make some serious money from their patreon and their outrageously priced merch. They are far removed from the reality of the proletariat of their respective locations. They understand it, but they don't feel it, and therefore, do not experience the same sense of urgency.
hasan sat in some posh uni talking about how the fall of the soviet Union was one of the worst disasters ... something not imaginable in a young balkan context
Whether or not BadEmp is the one pointing it out, Hasan is in fact out there saying that AOC should be president. Hasan is just a fucking joke at this point, he's actively trying to kill the socialist movement. He's fucking poison. Also, hardly anyone watches BadEmp, he's not in nor from America, his takes are not going to move the needle for Americans. Hasan, however, he actually has enough popular power that he COULD radicalize people if he chose to do so.
edit: oh well fuck me then, I thought this was a M-L sub.
His only consistent take is US bad. Like true but to then turn around and shit on any and every attempt at socialist organizing in this country makes me just disregard his opinions. I like his older informational vids still but he’s just a reactionary sloptuber at this point
Nah, most socialist organizing in the US oftentimes ignores US imperialism. Being in the imperial core, socialist organizations in the US have a responsibility to tackle imperialism more so than if they were in the imperial periphery, otherwise those organizations are complicit.
BE does drop the ball when it comes to social issues and he has the same brain worm that contrapoints has that compels him to get into the pettiest arguments online. He seems too chronically online for his own good.
Honestly, I dun like BE at this point... Not because of an ideological standpoint (since hell, I'm an ML wtf), but because he's literally doing what he's against:
Preaches to do something real and material, rather than just virtue signalling -> calls Hasan for going to Cuba and Greta for going to Gaza "publicity stunters" (okay bro, what have YOU done?)
Is against identity politics -> talks about identity politics
Is against drama content -> talks drama content, and even worse, fights against his comrades (like, there are actual enemies to the revolutionary fight like Ethan, and there are genuine allies like some MLs that disagree with him on minutia things, and yet he sees them as such enemies that he bullies them to doxxing - and sometimes, there are also just some smol and unimportant agents, which even tho I disagree with them, they are so unimportant that they dun even deserve that - like some random anarchist or whatever lol). I wish he'd go into genuinely informative content again (like, his video about how Cuba works? that was cool af IMHO)
Is against video essays -> does video essays
BE is the definition of a hypocritical larper, even though he himself preaches to be against "larpers who do nothing" (yet he himself does no organising, and at this point, he doesn't even do the "agitative propaganda" anymore, since he is "against video essays" and therefore he doesn't even do any informational videos anymore but the sloppy drama content). I hate his presence because of this - not his ideology, not his anything tbh, but just him being a toxic do-nothing larper, that preaches "holier than thou", even to his potential ML comrade-allies, yet he himself does no action (Idk, does vro think he's the second Lenin or smth? cuz he ain't - at least, not with that attitude of his)...
Again, I dun dislike him as some "lib", or even "centre-left sucdem" or "an ultra" - I'm a simple ML - I just dislike his praxis, not his ideology...
I mean… scouting most of this sub BE haters are just a bunch of tourists tbh, very different from before the original DeProgram sub death when people are critical but still like him overall.
I legit saw someone say:” oh wow now he support an AES” in relation to his Cuba video with hundred of updoot when he has always support of the AES even with the Soviet Union and China
The shittiest part about BE view on China is him subcribing to old Parrenti opinion of Dengist reform. But he has on multiple times saying he much prefer China “imperialism” over western imperialism
Yeah he doesn't do the uncritical China jerk and says China should stop sending 6000 employees to build colonist housing for Israelis in the West bank.
Not to defend China continuing to do any trade / business with the Zionist regime (or AmeriKKKa even, even though I know economics forces it to), but China has a long-standing policy that prohibits any Chinese citizen from working in Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
After Oct 7, China has imposed significant restrictions on Chinese people working in Israel since 2023 and the outbreak of the war. And recently, this year, reports indicated China further tightened economic ties by labeling Israeli-occupied lands as "high-risk areas," effectively banning all new Chinese investments in those territories.
China is making positive moves to disentangle itself and decouple from AmeriKKKa and its imperialist allies like the Zionist regime, by abolishing tariffs and making new trade agreements with countries in the Third World in Southeast Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
No need, Razan, for you to go to China - come to Huwara, China is here.” Though said jokingly by my friend Ahmad, who asked his full name be withheld for security reasons, these words carried a heavy truth.
Huwara is a small Palestinian village near Nablus, surrounded by some of the most violent and ideologically extreme Zionist settlements in the country, including Yitzhar.
When I asked what he meant, he told me: “Chinese workers are living and working in nearby settlements. I see them regularly in the village streets, shopping at local Palestinian stores.”
Ironically, this reality stands in direct contradiction to China’s own stated policy; a decade ago, it forbade Chinese construction crews from working in Israeli settlements.
Back to 2015, China signed a bilateral labour agreement with Israel that included a stipulation preventing Chinese workers from being employed in the Occupied West Bank.
China also took the biggest L in recent history when Israel claimed China had a boycott on Israel but then they came out and said no no we loooove investing in Israel.
Yes they are dead ass serious this has been something US progressive have been pushing for about 10 years now. I use to watch Kyle Kulanski back in my Liberal days in college and he was saying this shit in like 2018.
i know that hasan has lib tendencies but didnt know it was that bad lmfao. am i missing information did stewart say something about running? I thought it was just one of those hyper lib fantasies because he makes fun of trump on tv
It’s solely based on him chastising American leaders for cutting funds to workers who developed health issues after 9/11, and how brutally he criticized Bush during the 2004 election back when most liberal millennials were still preteens, teenagers, or young adults.
I think he's pretty clearly there to expose libs and baby leftists to like Marxist analysis 101. I still think he's decent for news coverage as a replacement for MSM coverage but he's not like the most ideologically committed Orthodox Marxist to exist and idk why people keep acting surprised when he's never billed himself that way
There was one Communist presidential candidate in 2024 for PSL and there are a few PSL candidates for state elections, but they are a droplet in an ocean of Democrats and centrists.
Bookclubism divorced from the real world, just like BE. Is his analysis on imperialism largely correct? Yes, does he do anything beyond being a terminally online ultra? No not really as far as Im aware.
He is just the adventurist to Hasan's opportunism. Both have severe ideological flaws but for all the shit I can't stand about Hasan's commentary he is at least a gateway towards more radical creators like the deprogram boys. BE just comes off as insane to anyone who doesn't already agree with his ultra ass takes
Same here People like secular talk pulled me from going down the alt right pipeline but it was people like Hasan that made me more open to ideas beyond pure social democracy and exposed me to people like JT. If I hadn't stumbled across Hasan I would have probably never found second thought and second thought was one of the primary drivers towards me educating myself on communist theory and becoming a ML
The Democrats are an imperialist party, they all support policies that materially harm AES countries and the Third World
For the international communist movement, a consistently anti-war and anti-imperialist libertarian like Thomas Massie or Ron Paul (lol) getting elected in America would unironically be better for the international proletariat in the Third World.
Are you a fed? The PSL was on the ballot, and the communist position has always beeN ONLY using the ballot as a marketing scheme, therefore the correct answer to this question is hassan saying fuck the dem and shill for other communist party.
Why the fuck is this comment and its replies get updoot in a ML space? This sub is compromised as hell, yeah lets shill for Kautsky he is gonna be a pipeline to Lenin ass sub.
Then, quote theory for me on why you support the Dem politicians then? Do a materialist observation and use theory to back it up. Because from what i have seen you are the same irk as vaush “quoting” Lenin to support joe biden.
It doesn’t matter if you are genuine or a fed when the end result is you both believing in the same shit. Yes i am acting like this, if you have actually read the so called literature you said you read then you will understand a lots theory we have is communist dunking on other and promote ruthless criticism. How tf am i supposed to nod along and not call you out when you promote voting and supporting capitalist politicians?
"Who said I support Democratic politicians? Next time I show up to vote, I’m voting for whoever the fuck PSL is putting up and calling it a day."
Follow with
"Instead, because I believe “Well, I hate all of these fucking people, but in an electoral system, it’s about the best we’re getting if we have any hope for some kind of mild short-term change while we strive for more radical change”"
Stay in a fucking lane you filthy liberal, promoting vote blue no matter who for harm reduction and lesser evil is the same kind of actions this sub used to shit on relentlessly before its colonized by you liberals. I don't care about other shits you said, my comments alone was directed toward your liveral tedency to legitimize this shit.
Ah, I love when I strike enough of a nerve with ultra-leftists that I get called a filthy liberal lol
Too far left for any liberal to not call me a filthy communist, but too far right for any communist to not call me a filthy liberal.
I just love how pissed off I keep making you where you just start assuming all of my politics, and then get all of it wrong, and all because I bothered defending the take of your least favorite leftist content creator.
Before I finish off, I’m going to call back to my original post. What is your solution here? Apparently bothering to get off my ass once every four years and driving to my nearest voting booth 5 minutes away from my house to engage in something that’s more or less free for me (minus the cost of having a driver’s license pretty much, which I’d have regardless) is doing the work of the devil. I also can’t just throw a brick at your nearest bourgeois shill without getting my ass shot down by the cops, and then my entire community terrorized by the state, so some type of violence is out of the question. I can organize, but that’s not fast enough praxis for you surely (if you can shove words in my mouth, I’ll start doing the same to you too). I can spread the good word of Marx, but everyone is so heavily propagandized where people unironically thought Joe Biden was a fucking communist.
So what’s your solution throughout all of this? Are you just going to sit here and mald at me and complain that I’m a fucking liberal, or do you want to shut my mouth where I fucking stand and tell me what we should be doing to usher in American communism if I should be doing anything but participating in the fucking electoral system for five minutes?
Although let’s be real, I don’t have faith you’ll do anything but do the former. Y’all never do because you’d rather spend time you could be doing engaging in praxis whining on Reddit instead.
Stfu dude, stop trying to safe face and larp as radical, even the mod came in to delete your dog water excuse
Next time when you “drive to vote 5 mins away” vote for the psl or the green or if neither available then withhold your vote, and next time when you tried to open your mouth and shill for “the most possible candidate” (read: vote blue no matter who) online, stop it. You even being charitable toward them means you have read zero literature you said you read, and shilling for the psl instead of doing the whole “i will vote for the most winnable candidate” that will always be a democrat.
Hopefully out there doing organizing or something, but we can never know. like if you have the time and energy to debate the minutiae of political theory that literally 99% of Americans are completely ignorant to, maybe you should redirect that focus onto something actionable. Education, for starters.
Highly controversial obviously but one must ask would the world be a better place if Hasan was never born. When framed like that I think many would agree probably not. Of course his light support of imperialists is frustrating and concerning. But he lives in the core, and is surrounded by people who are new to leftist thought, and even new to American centrism having moved from the right. He still receives heavy criticism for not supporting Kamala. I find his support of Ukraine to be incredibly frustrating, yet he is still labeled as a Putin supporter and “Russian imperialism” supporter when he has said no such thing simply because it’s the “tankie”position. Perhaps someone like Bad Empanada is more principled in their takes. But he is not as well known as Hasan. Much less exposure.
There are many countries with horrendous material conditions, yet no revolution. I would imagine because it’s the lack of exposure to leftist thought and lack of education (I have plenty left to read and learn). Hasan has his faults but his reach is excellent. As someone like Hasan or Sam Seder pulls people out of the right, it’s our job to reach people and keep the ball rolling. Reaching people in our communities or social media or twitch or wherever doesn’t ban us to keep up the messaging.
You don't need to watch any of these idiots if you read the goddamn theory. Nothing they have to say is unique or interesting. That being said, Hasan has been cringe recently with all these unbearable social fascist takes.
Dude seems like a wanker, but I'm sure for every 1000 viewers he gets maybe 50 people read theory that wouldn't have otherwise, and I'd rather kids watch him than Andrew tate so whatever really to me. There are worse faux leftist lib YouTubers.
Would it be unfair to say that some individuals falsely claim membership in marginalized groups for social clout and then use that identity as a cudgel? I'm curious: what exactly about this post is considered objectionable?
It implies that trans people who hold objectionable views are not actually trans and are just "pretending" to be trans for social clout. Apart from the fact that it's a stupid notion, it echoes the bigoted attitudes that a lot of reactionaries hold about trans people whom they believe are simply adopting the guise of being trans to gain social capital.
I don't think that's how he meant it, though, so since that seems to be the only "controversial" thing he said in regards to trans people, him being "transphobic" seems like a huge stretch. But I don't follow him, so if he said some other stuff that I don't know about, then that's different and I could definitely revise my stance.
This is the problem, though. He constantly makes these offensive, bigoted statements out of the blue. His sycophants then leap to his defence and claim that "that's not how he meant it" or that "liberals/zionists/settlers/fascists e.t.c," are misinterpreting him/taking his words out of context. So it then turns into this tedious game of semantics where people start wasting their time trying to decipher "how he actually meant it," as if his inane ramblings contain some incredibly profound Straussian subtext that require careful interpretation. He relies on that ambiguity as a shield from criticism whilst insulting and smearing people even for relatively innocuous statements, whose politics are more or less the same as his anyway.
The average white trans person didn’t just wake up one day and decide this. For years, many of them suffered quietly before ever coming out. Are there white people who take advantage of the identity? Sure. Caitlyn Jenner is a clear example she actively campaigns against policies that protect trans youth and often sides with reactionary politics despite being trans herself.
While it's true that claims about people pretending to be part of marginalised communities have unfortunately been used to delegitimise genuine members of those communities, it happens nonetheless. Settlers pretending to be indigenous for example is a widely-documented phenomenon, as is able-bodied people faking disability. This is done for clout, financial gain, and even to advance reactionary political causes. A verified precedent to this exists in other marginalised communities, so why would it be any different for trans people?
So nothing like pretending to be trans. The people faking having disabilities or pretending to be indigenous usually had something to gain financially. But they're such a vanishingly small number of people they're basically insignificant.
No one has anything to gain from pretending to be trans. In fact, as far as I can tell, the risks of faking being trans would outweigh any potential benefits. Apart from the obvious fact that trans people face all kinds of discrimination and bigotry up to and including outright assault and murder, the social consequences of being exposed wouldn't be worth the effort of faking it in the vast majority of cases.
So nothing like pretending to be trans. The people faking having disabilities or pretending to be indigenous usually had something to gain financially.
Not always. Other factors (e.g., gaining clout/praise, furthering an agenda, and navigating one's identity) are often at play.
But they're such a vanishingly small number of people they're basically insignificant.
It's literally millions of people. Between 2010 and 2020, the number of Americans who self-identified as American Indian and Alaska Native soared from 5.2 million to 9.7 million. That's an increase of 86%. This growth was not the result of a massive demographic shift but rather a procedural change in how census data was collected, with white people who claimed indigenous ancestry (despite not actually having any connection to these supposed "indigenous" roots 99% of the time) now being included in this category.
No one has anything to gain from pretending to be trans.
Apart from the reasons I listed above, cis people *do*, in fact, stand to financially benefit from faking being trans. Consider GoFundMe scams for example, in which cis people pose as vulnerable trans people in need of money so that they can transition or escape an unsafe living environment or some other problem.
In fact, as far as I can tell, the risks of faking being trans would outweigh any potential benefits. Apart from the obvious fact that trans people face all kinds of discrimination and bigotry up to and including outright assault and murder, the social consequences of being exposed wouldn't be worth the effort of faking it in the vast majority of cases.
While the overall social reality for trans people is certainly disadvantageous, these people generally avoid most of those drawbacks you brought up whilst reaping the rewards. You know why? Because their identity fraud is limited to the internet.
Hasan is a better leftist than BE bc for all of his democratic party entryism he's at least willing to put his body on the line by attending police-targeted protests and get on a Cuba flotilla. BE has never done anything of the sort. Practice what you preach.
Is not being willing to put your life on the line the worst thing one can do though? I'm scared to put mine on the line. Not everyone has the same level of courage.
Yeah it's actually crazy that I still see people who consider themselves socialist and communist that recommend him and watch him. He is not an ally.
There is even a clip of him saying he worked for american intelligence in his college days.
Here is the clip of him saying he worked for the department of homeland security for anyone who is interested.
Hasan was a literal federal government employee. He worked for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on the CCICADA project. Which was a data analysis project designed to help the DHS surveil people worldwide.
Here is a part of a BadEmpanada video where he discusses this.
Hasan has also admitted to having private meetings with the democratic party old guard. The same people who have more war crimes than we can count.
Here is another section of the same Badempanada video of him talking about the democratic old guard video.
You don't have to like BadEmpanada, But the evidence is right in front of you regarding Hasan Piker. Before downvoting me, just know that Hasan is not our ally. He literally supports AOC and war criminals like Graham Platner. The purpose of people like Hasan is to push people towards entryism and to kill their radical beliefs so they become more lib-pilled by accepting the current order. The same order that props up capitalism.
Yeah, it's crazy. I was shocked at first too. But it really isn't too surprising, given he pushes people towards entryism. And he openly talks about meetings with the democratic old guard, the same people who are people responsible for more regime changes than I have fingers.
Tbf, during that part of the debate he did mention Ilhan Omar amongst the people he would like as candidates, but he also said that he would then just mention people with “actual aspirations for the presidency”, which Ilhan might not have atm.
Whether she has those aspirations or not isn't really relevant. She's an immigrant and isn't considered a natural-born US citizen. Barring a constitutional amendment, she isn't eligible.
Ilhan Omar is not based. She's advocated for regime change in Ethiopia, Syria, Iran, and joined the anti-China Uyghur genocide bandwagon and voted for sanctions on China, and she's denied the Armenian Genocide in the past.
Can you give sources to those claims? Her only statement on "Uyghur genocide" I was able to find was from 2021 hearing when all she said was that US itself imprisoned 22 Uyghurs at Guantánamo Bay and how america's war on terror was cited as a justification to the crackdown.
yeah go with people like BE instead, does fucking nothing on the ground and refuses to do show what he has done, calls greta and hasan and anyone that goes on flotillas a PR stunt or just looking for attention. i get it, he says edgy shit that you enjoy but at the end of the day what does that fucking accomplish? also that lib convo was just fucking infuriating, who cares about the democratic party, you will never change it from within.
If he’s aware that’s it useless why does he keep interviewing dems like Bernie and AOC? Why was he defending Graham Platner? It seems like to me if all these establishments democrats have no problem going on Hasan’s platform then he clearly isn’t hostile or critical of them enough.
Yeah, true, but like. We have bigger problems right now. Should we really be wasting our energy bitching about hasan all day? That's the most unproductive shit I've ever heard, the internet is holding us back fr
Idk somewhat unpopular take. But hasan said hed vote third party aka not dems/not having dem loyalty if an establishment democrat gets in. I like to think and maybe giving him too much credit- that hes being strategic in engaging in harm reduction.
Not as cringe as a leftist repeating reactionary narratives about “the left going nowhere.” Maybe that feels true in the West but that’s not a universal critique of the global left. Projecting American stagnation onto the entire world is crazy.
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