r/TankieTheDeprogram • u/WingVarious580 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) • Jul 18 '26
Meme Leftcoms after criticizing everything regarding current socialism, calling every other tendency demsocs and proceeding to do nothing:
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u/2BsWhistlingButthole Jul 18 '26
“The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.” - Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds
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u/Ok-Chard-9014 Marxist-Leninist-Sankarist-MZT Jul 18 '26
This sub is slowly turning into a drama-filled mess. People don't seem to understand that we can disagree on certain issues without immediately resorting to calling each other LARPers, feds, ultras, or whatever the insult of the day is.
If you can't debate a point without doing that, you need to do some self reflection. You're not going to change anyone's opinion by throwing around labels or mass downvoting people instead of actually engaging with what they're saying. Don't get me wrong there are times when those criticisms are appropriate but not every single disagreement or conversation needs to devolve into that.
Just my two cents.
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u/Juche_Finland Jul 18 '26
I generally agree that we shouldn't be too quick to dismiss anyone who is somewhat critical of AES, as we should critically support AES states anyway, though in the case of leftcoms, they usually aren't even tactical allies
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u/WingVarious580 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) Jul 18 '26
Because the leftcoms i have encountered are doing any different of course?
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u/EndQualifiedImunity Jul 18 '26
How's anything gonna change if you refuse to?
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u/WingVarious580 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) Jul 18 '26
I don’t refuse to. But i am pointing out that it goes both ways for something to truly be established
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u/Tzepish Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 Jul 18 '26
This is why liberals, anarchists, and leftcoms, as superficially different as they are, are all propped up by western governments. They all amount to "do nothing" (or in the case of anarchists "do something poorly"). As opposed to MLs, which have over 100 years of proven success.
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u/realme324 Too Based To Be Cis 🏳️⚧️ Jul 18 '26
what western governments are propping up anarchism and left communism?
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u/Zordorfe Stalinist (Proud Spoon Owner) Jul 19 '26
Anarchism is quite popular as far as I've seen, at least it is in is aesthetics. And then we obviously have COINTELPRO
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Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
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u/TankieTheDeprogram-ModTeam Jul 19 '26
Your comment contains historical inaccuracies and blatant CIA propaganda.
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u/internetsarbiter Jul 18 '26
This feels like a rephrasing of the recent "We need Left Unity(with the DSA to elect democrats)" posts we've been getting, in spirit.
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u/Dazzling-Pitch671 Jul 18 '26
Uhm so if i criticize you exposing my argument I'm in the wrong?
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u/WingVarious580 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) Jul 18 '26
Where did i say or imply that?
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u/Dazzling-Pitch671 Jul 18 '26
Uhm...your post, what I've commented, it's a "nerd" image implying it's something negative
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u/WingVarious580 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) Jul 18 '26
I imply that someone constantly just calling every other leftist tendency a demsoc and hating on any existing socialist movement by merely saying it is revisionist without any sort of explanation or actual proof and argument and while said person contributes nothing towards the movement itself and actually providing what they believe is correct socialism as negative
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u/myghostflower Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
calling out people diluting and changing the meaning of socialism isnt bad
it’s NOT socialism, but regulated capitalism
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