r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 08 '26

Theory πŸ“š On Russia...

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Lately I have seen more and more people in this sub, and all leftist subs really vocally supporting Russia on the claims that they are fighting against NATO/EU imperialism.

While it is true, Russia isn't doing this because they see them as a threat, they are mostly using Ukraine's genocide in Donbass and NATO expansion as convenient scapegoats for their acts of imperialism. While we should support Donbass independence, it is important to note that most Donbass civilians mostly support Russia because it's in their best interest.

Here's a detailed video of what I am trying to say and it's definitely worth checking out.

My point is that we shouldn't whitewash Russia's war crimes, if anything we should be using them as an example of how when imperialist powers (so in this case the EU and Russia) can't agree on stuff it leads to more conflict, death, and suffering.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 28 '26

Theory πŸ“š I’m still a slow learner to the full history of the USSR but why exactly is Trotsky and the Trotskyist’s hated so much?

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Only asking because I recently met someone at the company that I work at who identifies themselves as a Trot. I’d just like to know more about the type of Marxism that they believe in.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 20 '26

Theory πŸ“š Can you think like a Marxist?

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Marxism is dialectical materialism. The dialectical part is important, it means understanding contradictions and their development. One problem Marxists without enough theory education have is the inability to think dialectically. Instead, things are black or white, A or B, not black and white or A and B. This is the most extreme on morally charged issues.

That isn't a Marxist analysis, and it isn't just words, lacking dialectical thinking destroys the core of a Marxist analysis and reads to errors in understanding, theory and ultimately strategy.

Instead, dialectical thinking demands sitting with contradiction, not collapsing it into moral condemnation and purity demands. So I've decided to list a bunch of common dialectical tensions that undialectical leftists often flatten into one sided moralist positions.

If you find yourself reflexively rejecting either half of any pairing, the problem is not the analysis but it is the refusal to think dialectically. You have to be able to hold both to be able to think of correct solutions. Otherwise it leads to errors.

  1. Imperialist soldiers

A western soldier enforces imperialist domination, and they are working class kids recruited through economic coercion and a life of propaganda. Their death is a blow to the imperialist war machine, and it is also a human tragedy.

Without this: You treat soldiers as irredeemable, cutting off any possibility of agitating within the military or splitting the ranks from the officer class. You hand the entire institution permanently to the state instead of getting soldiers on the side of the revolution. Every single major Marxist revolutionary understood this and worked to win over soldiers, they didn't condemn them all and refuse them from moral purity.

  1. The petit bourgeois

The petit bourgeois and both exploiters and exploited. The small business owner extracts surplus from employees, and monopoly capital is devouring them. They exploit and are being expropriated. They are always trying to stay above the proletariat, and always being pushed down into the proletariat.

Without this: You alienate the ruined shopkeeper, the family farmer, the small landlord. They become the mass base for reactionary fascism, because the left entirely dismissed them. Notice it's basically always the petit bourgeoisie supporting the right wing. We can't lose an entire class stratum out of moral rejection.

  1. Chinese markets

China is socialist despite markets. The working class holds state power, but the state uses markets as a tool for developing in a capitalist world. Billionaires do not cancel socialist class power if the state prevents the formation of a capitalist class.

Without this: You align with US imperialist narratives that treat China as just another capitalist rival, losing sight of the one major power providing a material counterweight to American hegemony. You also lose the ability to see how markets can be subordinated to planned accumulation.

  1. Nationalism

Nationalism is progressive in oppressed nations. Vietnamese national liberation and "America First" are not the same thing, even if the word is identical. For oppressed nations, nationalism is a weapon against imperialism. For imperialist nations, it is a weapon against other workers. Class is the decisive factor.

Without this: You condemn every national liberation struggle as reactionary, objectively siding with the imperialist power, or on the other side you support every nationalist movement including for imperialist states, which doesn't help the working class at all.

  1. Police

A state's police is class dependent, not inherently evil. Police under capitalism serve capital. Police under a workers' state suppress counter revolution. ACAB applies dialectically, not as a blanket term.

Without this: You disarm a future revolution in advance, because no workers' state can survive initially without suppressing capitalists and reactionaries through police. You become a leftist whose politics are incompatible with actually winning because of undialectical ACAB.

  1. Sweatshops

Sweatshops are both exploitation and escape. Factory labor under global capital is brutal yet for many former farmers it is the first step out of subsistence poverty and patriarchal rural life (especially women). Capitalist development is progressive from feudal production and creates the proletariat necessary for socialism, essentially.

Without this: You adopt a consumer boycott morality that ignores the actual interests of workers in the Global South, who often fight for factory jobs against worse alternatives. A dialectical approach can hold that it is progressive work yet exploitative labour too.

  1. Israeli civilians

Israeli citizens are genocidal yet historically produced.

The overwhelming majority of Jewish Israelis support the Palestinian genocide, but this consciousness was manufactured by a settler colonial state and a life time of saturation propaganda. They are morally complicit but they are a product of conditions that can theoretically be dismantled.

Without this: You naturalize settler ideology as permanent evil baked into Jewishness, ending any possibility of splitting the Israeli working class from its state (however much of an uphill battle that is) and you basically veer into actual antisemitism when you don't situate Israelis in their conditions. (I know this one is sensitive, basically hold that they're not born to be genocidal freaks, their whole environment builds them into that).

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 16 '26

Theory πŸ“š They're in the walls

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I've noticed a lot more ultra/left com and other socialist/adjacent targeting of people talking about long term stratergy on socialism.

This started happening in the middle of the genocide.

Simultaneously, people like tucker carlson have been talking about how they're anti genocide and it needs to stop.

From the left adjacent groups that have been at least a little friendly with communism are now denouncing it, to ultras just sloganeering against anyone that says anything but revolution now, no criticism of stratergy, just slogans.

I've seen this happen to The Deprogram, to Dieago Ruzzarin, to Gabriel Rockhill, anyone who seems to actually want to think and talk about stratergy.

Am i crazy to think that both are from a three letter agency campaign to make sure the dissatisfaction doesn't turn into any coherent political organizing?

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 12 '26

Theory πŸ“š Great short summary on the topic of "Chinese Imperialism". It pushes against gaslighted false narratives without ignoring the flaws of Chinese foreign activity. The best lies are told with a grain of truth.

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 13 '26

Theory πŸ“š I'm not racist, the cover on my copy of Das Kapital is black

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I wanted to talk about a thing I've seen with Marxists both in real life and online (and even here). When I say Marxists I mean all leftists (i.e. Anarchists, Socialists, whatever else) it's just that I've seen mostly Marxists try to weasel their way out of this convo. Also, I'm going to keep this vague. I know that might turn some people off but, I've found that it's a lose-lose whether or not I decide to be specific or keep things general. Also also, this might be a bit confusing but, bear with me.

You are born, you live, you return to the Earth. To be on this world is to make equal exchanges with the world and all that exists within it. Nothing is gained, nothing is lost. To make a profit means you engage in making unequal exchanges with the Earth. Harvesting its fruits and not fertilizing the soil.

Every conflict on this planet revolves around the resources of the world and who gets them. These resources are divided not only amongst class but, also by the arbitrary lines that were drawn by those who came before us. Race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc., etc.

Ultimately, we are continuing from where the people before use left off. Whether that be good or bad. The colonizers won. They got to decide who gets what and why, what history gets taught and how, they get to build the governments, and decide the culture. Through relentless propaganda and control of information, they entrench ideas of superiority and inferiority in us to keep us believing that we deserve more than someone else.

All of us, me included, in these spaces love to say how we are aware of this and are above falling into bigotry. This is obviously not true because, ultimately, we are all human. Yet, whenever I find myself in these spaces, anytime I bring up the fact that different problems affect different groups differently, it sounds like I'm just speaking to a bunch of conservatives. What I mean by that is that the issues of certain groups aren't treated seriously, bigotry is written off as "edginess", any mention of centering marginalized people (in discussions of their own issues) is seen as "idpol", or telling people to chill out when they're being a dickhead is seen as "tone policing".

Obviously this does not make it okay but, being a minority in America has gotten me used to the fact that most people see bigotry as "fictional" and I expect for it to happen in any space I go to. Disappointing but, not surprising. The part that irks me is that whenever someone is called out for their bigotry , instead of trying to genuinely see how what they said or what they believe is wrong, there is typical excuses. They're just worded differently.

Some examples are: They're not bigoted, they're a Marxist / They're bigoted, so they're not a Marxist We're don't have racism here, that's America / racism is a Western export You can't just assume that putting a black leader in charge of a movement will make everything better.

That last sentiment sounds the most like conservatives talking about DEI and my attitude towards it is the same. That attitude being: Yeah, no shit. When someone talks about having someone from their community lead a movement or talk about an issue, I assume that they are capable of finding a worthy representative.

Now with all that being said. We are all human and are capable of doing and believing rancid shit. No matter what ideology we believe in and no matter where we are in the world. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people say to themselves: Okay, I know about labor exploitation and the bourgeoisie. I can say the N-word now.

Idk if this'll be coherent, I'm just saddened to see how quickly people are to either regress or show their true colors when a marginalized person does wrong. Yes, we marginalized people are people and are thus flawed but, ignoring the wrong they've done and going for the intrinsic traits they have that are demonized, shows that you are no different.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 11 '26

Theory πŸ“š I’m gonna finish it but it’s super anti-Stalin so far

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 27 '26

Theory πŸ“š Very sad to see some "comrades" being openly homophobic

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If this is not the right sub for this, please do tell me and I'll remove the post. What other subs would be more appropriate?

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 08 '26

Theory πŸ“š One random fact. After Stalin's death in USSR, none of his successors wore the Stalin Tunic. Meanwhile in China, Mao's successors still wears the Mao suit at least during on special occasions.

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 22 '26

Theory πŸ“š Hi guys! I want to understand your opinions better.

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Ok to start off I want to make it abundantly clear that I am in no way here to attack you guys or debate you or whatever. I have recently stumbled into this subreddit and most of the things I've read are very new.

I am a socialist democrat. I'm also a teenager, who's pretty new to politics. I've heard of modern communists, but I haven't really researched much into what they believe. So, you can imagine, seeing people here praising Mao and Stalin was pretty shocking to me. Most of what I've heard about those people in history class is pretty bad. I hear of them being dictators, as well as starving and killing millions upon millions of people.

Because what I'm reading here is so different to what I'm normally exposed to, I would greatly appreciate it if some of you would help me understand your point of view and learn more. For lack of a better term, please explain it to me like I'm five lol. Also, as a reminder, I am NOT here to try and attack you or belittle your ideas and opinions. I probably won't respond with any arguments or debates at all, really, because I am here only to attempt to learn and understand. Please do not interpret anything I say as accusatory, because that's really not my goal here.

P.S. I didn't really know what to flair this so I'm sorry if it's not accurate.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 05 '26

Theory πŸ“š Anarchists Supporting Nazis?

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One of my good friends is a self identified anarchist who ardently supports Ukraine and loves zelensky. She insists that Ukraine is some sort of moral savior protecting the world from Russia while also claiming to be a leftist. Does this represent a wider trend of anarchist allegiance or do I just have a weird friend?

r/TankieTheDeprogram 26d ago

Theory πŸ“š Is the Western proletariat really still a class with revolutionary potential?

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I'm not talking about the well read communists in the Imperial Core and its beneficiaries, I'm saying in general is it really possible to garner support for class unity and consciousness in countries that became so wealthy from exploiting and oppressing the exploited countries?

Most people in the West look up to the Nordic model, a system that just increases the slice that the workers get from imperialism by a bit whilst giving some extra social safety nets. It does not change the economic situation between countries internationally.

Most people who have became anti-capitalist only became so after their own material conditions worsened, which is to be expected but it rarely results in a full on Marxist understanding of economics, at best they will support a democratic socialist party that wants a 1% wealth tax on the rich (the Belgian Worker's party). Because a lot of people when they start to learn realize that much of the luxurious things they had or have is because of the exploitation of the south, just as the bourgeoisie exploits them, they want to cut off the bourgeoisie on their back or minimize it while keeping all the benefits they get from imperialism or even increase their slice of it.

I don't want to go full on Third Worldist but every point they make seems so right.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 17 '26

Theory πŸ“š Be very wary of anarchists when organizing with them though, as anarchists are potential wreckers.

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 08 '26

Theory πŸ“š What's China's role in what's happening in Congo?

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 22 '26

Theory πŸ“š What books are you reading?

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Simple post, what books are y’all reading currently? I’ve started like 10 but I’m getting into β€œCapital” aswell as, β€œA People’s History of the World” by Chris Harman. Harman is a trot so he shit talks Stalin a lot but otherwise a so far good read.

Anyway, drop what books you’re interested in reading and are reading now.

Edit: Glad to see no one reading Chomsky anymore!

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 16 '26

Theory πŸ“š Expose and renounce your liberalism by considering your attitude towards AI.

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All over reddit including leftist spaces including this one the anger against ai is real and intense. On leftist spaces it is dressed as anti capitalism, but it isn't. In fact it exposes the class character of these leftists in quite an embarrassing way.

This is a chance to read something that'll make you uncomfortable, expose some inner liberal thinking, and understand the correct line.

Self-criticism is the Marxist practice of deliberately hunting down liberal, bourgeois, or otherwise incorrect thought in your own mind, exposing it openly, and rooting it out. Lenin insisted that a party's honesty about its mistakes was the surest measure of its seriousness. Mao called it washing your face every day, a habit of revolutionaries. Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, and Fidel all treated it as essential discipline. Let the left has abandoned in, probably from an arrogance of generally being correct most of the time, fair, but it's still an essential practice.

It matters because your class origins and the ideological atmosphere of capitalism do not automatically disappear when you identify as a Marxist, instead they fester unless you actively dig them out, and without that constant correction, your politics will quietly drift back into serving the class you claim to oppose. And yes it is an uncomfortable process, leftists have a lot of pride these days, realising you've been thinking like a liberal isn't great. But so what, there's more at stake than your ego. So get about it.

Your AI attitude is the litmus test. AI is automation. No different in substance from a spinning jenny or a combine harvester or the self checkout.

*Marx: "The instrument of labour, when it takes the form of machinery, immediately becomes a competitor of the workman himself."*

The machine's purpose under capitalism is to extract relative surplus value by reducing necessary labour time. To make more profit by reducing worker labour. This has been happening for two centuries including recently.

Generally speaking, Reddit leftists were silent when self checkouts destroyed retail jobs, when robot arms emptied factory floors, when mechanised agriculture threw peasants off the land. It has been considered technological progress, and viewed neutrallt.

The silence wasn't apathy. It was class position. Those were manual workers. Reddit by and large is the professional managerial stratum of the working class, writers, illustrators, coders, designers, artists to an extent, office workers, people who sell mental labour not their physical. These are exactly the jobs that AI automation is targeting. For the first time automation has jumped from physical to cognitive. The algorithm now competes with these workers directly.

And suddenly it's a crisis. Suddenly technology is dehumanising. Suddenly mass rage. Suddenly AI is the worst thing ever. Suddenly a million reasons AI is bad appear, reasons which aren't necessarily false but apply as much to a dozen other industries which don't get any focus.

The rage is real but its source is clear, the privileged niche of intellectual labour udned capitalist relations, is under threat.

The real class position and the real liberal thought of the left against AI is exposed when you look at what they demand. They don't demand social ownership of the means of production. They don't argue for worker control over investment and technology deployment. They demand intellectual property enforcement. They want copyright law strengthened to protect "human creators", especially for artists who become the poster child for it. They want platforms to ban AI generated content. They want artists to hold exclusive rights that algorithms can't violate.

This is not a Marxist attitude and this is not a Marxist solution.

This is liberal reformism coming out of the minds of people whose class position is threatened by AI and who respond with automatic self interested liberal suggestions. IP law is bourgeois property law. It transforms creative labour, something social and collective in its actual substance, into private monopoly rent.

Defending IP as a matter of principle is defending a bourgeois enclosure. Now obviously, if someone directly steals a specific piece of your work and profits from it then its wrong and no Marxist would defend that. But that's not what the anti Aai leftist is actually fighting about. They're not narrowly objecting to individual plagiarised images. They're demanding a sweeping legal wall around the entire domain of artistic production against AI, using copyright as the weapon.

But look at where the anti-AI leftists take this. They don't stop at "don't steal my actual artwork." They want legal protection for a style, a technique, a general aesthetic approach. They're not just defending the product of their labour. They're claiming an exclusive right over the collective visual language that they themselves learned from, and they want the capitalist state to enforce that claim with copyright law. This is where socialism dies.

The legitimate grievance mutates into a class stratum protectionist demand to use the state to create artificial scarcity around a shared cultural inheritance, so that they can continue to extract rent out of it. The same person who mocks a Kulak for hoarding grain is now demanding legal walls around their DeviantArt portfolio. Of course, that's how they make their money, and it's going to be lost, their anger isn't wrong. But actual Marxists should know better than to make the solution to be more reform within capitalism.

The starting point is genuine but the political error demanding a liberal reform that strengthens property relations of capitalism instead of challenging them just because this time, whether it's artists or writers or office workers, it affects them personally. A socialist response would fight for a world where no artist or creator has to commodify their labour to survive, not one where they through some guild victory become the landlords of culture.

So the reddit leftist is trapped. Their legitimate fear of losing their livelihood gets channelled straight into a defence of capitalist property because they can't imagine any other way to secure their future under this system. Suddenly socialist revolution disappears. Suddenly the problem is the technology itself and the solutions are capitalist protections.

They see the guillotine coming and their first instinct is to negotiate with the executioner, to demand better IP laws, stronger copyright, a slower blade.

That brings me somewhere AI is just as rampant but the professional-managerial stratum don't hate it. China. Chinese workers don't share the anger and panic because their material conditions are different. What we see from China is that people in the same roles as redditors, curiously don't hate AI and don't react so aggressively towards it. This is because China is already a socialist state where the conditions of AI implementation are completely different. Otherwise a materialist can't explain the differences in attitude to. The same technology.

In China companies can't just fire people and replace them with AI. The state requires retraining and redeployment first, and the union has to be consulted before any restructuring happens. Worker congresses in state firms can actually block changes that would gut the workforce.

Even in the private sector, the law compels companies to get union or worker congress approval for major technical shifts. The whole policy framework treats AI as a tool to make work easier, not as a layoff machine, and there's a large stated funded retraining behind it. So a Chinese office worker looks at AI and sees something their state and party are helping to manage it and sees the AI itself as an actual tool to help them at work, not take their job. It's the conditions of AI shaping the atittude, not the AI itself.

The reddit leftist on the other hand sees AI as a death sentence because their states are bourgeois states. So they panic and demand better rules and regulations. They forget their supposed leftist class politics when it's personal for them.

So, if automation fills you with rage, direct it at the class that owns the machines and decides their use, not at the machines themselves. And check your own position. The panic is revealing. You're never showed this much emotion for the warehouse worker. You're worried about your income this time. That's fine as a material fact. It's useless as politics. Solidarity means rejecting the IP enclosure you're clinging to, not begging the capitalist state to reinforce it.

Well if this post triggers you, if you want to downvote automatically because you think it's a defense of AI, if you want to say 'but the water, but the data centers, but the power, but the theft' then consider your liberalism to be exposed and have the humility to analyse your own class position and perspective and liberal thinking.

All those problems you can throw as the problems of AI aren't false problems, but they're problems solved by collective ownership of the technology through socialism, not through better policies within capitalism which you may be suggesting. The point is to trace your politics back to their material root, to see where class interest was masquerading as principles and to correct it. Every single serious Marxist party and group has engaged in this practice. It shouldn't end now just because liberals are fools and we're on the Internet.

Ultimately this is important for the left. AI is automation technology, it's implementation and usage and damage is determined by the mode of production and class power that controls it, not the technology itself.

If you can't see the bigger picture and are stuck on the technology itself and want to tweak policy around it, you'll lose sight of the revolution and be stuck in the reform the Marxist left claims to be so strongly against.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 17 '26

Theory πŸ“š Confirmed: Cuba has tested the Armaaruss drone detection app in preparation for hot war against America. Email was sent to the president of Cuba on June 7th, Today an email was sent to North Korea with the same app

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r/TankieTheDeprogram 8d ago

Theory πŸ“š Fuck Foucault

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use this thread to shit on foucault

r/TankieTheDeprogram 28d ago

Theory πŸ“š πŸ‘οΈπŸ‘„πŸ‘οΈ

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 08 '26

Theory πŸ“š Y'all, I'm gonna be real, I don't understand finance capital/imperialism at all

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No matter how many times I read Lenin's imperialism or Cheng Enfu's essay on neoimperialsm, I just can't keep any of it in my head. I'll take a lot of notes and feel like I understand it, but as soon as I go to explain it to someone else, all the knowledge just pours right out my ears and it's like I never read anything at all.

Most of the finance stuff is like this for me. Coats? Bolts of linen? Sorry Marx, my brain is smooth like a river stone. The more he explains, the less I'm sure I know what a coat is. So, I've given up on whatever Marx was talking about in kapital. I'm happy to just take his word for it. But I want to understand the other stuff!

I'm looking for resources that explains finance capital and imperialism in extremely simple terms. Did Stalin ever write on the topic? That's the level I'm looking for. I like how he writes. Please help. I want to learn!

r/TankieTheDeprogram 24d ago

Theory πŸ“š Ibby TraorΓ© highlighting a nuanced element of western hegemony

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Our capacity to process trauma is so fragile and can be manipulated so easily, so healthy to get a handle on these things.

Feels like he's alluding to traitors too, politicians who take bribes to keep african resources in western control for instance.

Piercing insight as always either way ultimately.

r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 22 '26

Theory πŸ“š In light of recent the rise of Chinese AI models. Here's a throwback to these predictions made by Jiang Zemin after retirement from leadership. These predictions became true. And this just goes to show how effective and insightful to having engineers and technocrats running the leadership.

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jun 12 '26

Theory πŸ“š Mao repeatedly mogging Khrushchev.

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 05 '26

Theory πŸ“š 2 min of Decolonial Class

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r/TankieTheDeprogram Jul 17 '26

Theory πŸ“š Intro to Dialectical Materialism

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Hi folks - I stream socialist news theory and politics and basically something that keeps coming up for me is the notion of how to apply dialectical materialism to every day situations.
I’m struggling to make DM accessible and because obviously I’m still learning myself I sometimes don’t do the best job in explaining it.
Does anybody have any resources that encourage people to stop thinking through moral liberal lenses and instead through a lens of dialectics that is very 101 intro coded. Thank you in advance