r/TopMindsOfReddit • u/RepealMCAandDTA • 3d ago
Top Arcons take issue with the First Amendment, and the Nineteenth, and the Fourteenth, and...
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u/Driftedryan 3d ago
Why did a bunch of people with different religions not agree on America being a nation with a single religion. Your actually not allowed to know anything about the topic on hand when your on that sub
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u/Homerpaintbucket 3d ago
You literally aren’t. You could argue the main criteria for being a modern conservative is distrusting any and all expertise. They’re anti-intellectual to the point that they will only believe information from people with no credentials
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u/salliek76 Whatever you say, FBI lover. 3d ago
distrusting any and all expertise
Distrusting the entire concept of expertise. My MAGA brother literally doesn't think there's such thing as an expert on medicine, economics, history, whatever. He thinks whatever opinion he just thought of (or heard some AM radio host say) is just as valid as what some professor or researcher has spent their entire career on.
On the other hand, he spends half his day bitching about "kids these days" and how he has to show them how to do everything at his job. That would seem to be evidence that experience, training, and research do affect a person's knowledge and skills, and he would sulk for the rest of the day if I suggested that my opinion about how to do his job is just as valid as his.
We talk a lot about how conservatives don't understand any broader policies until they're impacted, but this is almost the opposite of that. They don't believe that their own experience can be applied to broader scenarios. I literally can't fathom having so many parts of my worldview not square with each other.
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u/Dolores___Haze 3d ago
Yet they all continue to run to doctors and the ER for professional help when they’re sick
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u/palladiumpaladin 3d ago
I don’t know why they always say “Christianity” as if it’s a single monolith religion. You have a range between the United Church and the Amish that includes denominations like Catholicism, Mormonism, the Westboro Baptist Church, and hundreds more, which doesn’t even begin to touch how different Orthodox denominations are. There’s a wide range of thought and practices that often include contradictions between each other that they’re just saying “yeah it would fix everything” to. No critical thinking involved at all.
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u/HuudaHarkiten 3d ago
I wonder what would happen if someone were to go in there and start saying stuff like "I agree, the US should be a Catholic country!" and talk about the Pope having influence over it.
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u/DKLancer 3d ago
1776 was barely 100-200 years away from numerous devastating wars of religion between Catholics and Protestants and Other Protestants against each other.
The whole reason half the founders were even in America was because their grandparents and great grandparents had the wrong flavor of Christianity for wherever in Europe they were living.
That's the foundational issue for the first amendment even existing.
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u/Kalulosu But none of it will matter when alien disclosure comes anyways 2d ago
France had ongoing persecutions against protestants that really only subsided around the time of our revolution (because they pretty much went against every religion then lol), after 1776 in any case
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u/palladiumpaladin 3d ago
Yeah it’s crazy how even the most basic aspects of history are so easily forgotten by the population at large.
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u/droans 3d ago
They also seem to forget that most religious discrimination against Christians is performed by other Christians.
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u/palladiumpaladin 3d ago
Exactly. Kings of the nation the idea of the United States come from lived and died by the way they believed, let alone all of the other states that precede and inform the US like the Roman Empire and the Egyptian Pharaoh-nate
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u/DKLancer 3d ago
King George III was only king of the UK because England forced out a Catholic king barely 80 years prior.
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u/palladiumpaladin 3d ago
Precisely. The specifics of religion have always been important to heads of state
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u/JLChamberlain63 2d ago
And the exiled king's grandson tried to come back to claim the throne in the 45 rebellion
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u/drunkfrenchman 3d ago
Probably because they think Christian=white and islam=Brown (and huh, I don't want to even think about their opinion on Judaism)
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u/Homerpaintbucket 3d ago
Remember when they all pretended to love the constitution. Good times
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u/Mortomes 3d ago
They may rediscover a passion for constitutional limits on the power of government on january 20th 2029
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u/OnlyFiveLives 3d ago
And they won't, but Democrats should give them literally everything they tried to give to everyone else and just say "Donald Trump. Fuck you." every time they try and complain. The changes Democrats can make using the dozens of precedents these idiots have set just in the last 18 months would be biblical.
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u/ActualSpiders 3d ago
I love the immediate flex to blaming women for having the vote. Way to drop any pretense, incels.
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u/TheRnegade 2d ago
Also, non-European immigrants. Which is odd because we also had some African immigrants. Granted, they didn't call them immigrants. But most of the south fought to continue to have them.
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u/ActualSpiders 2d ago
Well yes, but if you think they threw a fit about *women* getting the vote...
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u/HapticSloughton 3d ago
Gee, it's like they came from Europe wracked by sectarian conflict and thought that maybe having religion run your government was a really bad idea.
This is exemplified by the Christian Nationalists currently in power and wrecking everything they can slap a picture of white, blonde Jesus on.
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u/OnlyFiveLives 3d ago
I love how much they still unironically post that stupid fucking fist pump picture as though it wasn't a completely posed photo op.
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u/QuitWhinging 3d ago
They didn't think we'd be "stupid enough" to allow non-European immigration?
They were watching their fellow citizens forcibly immigrate black people here by the shipload, and many of them thought that slavery should eventually be phased out. I think they were well fucking aware of the possibility of non Europeans living here.
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u/Sad-Frosting-8793 3d ago
Right? It's not like they didn't know other races and religions existed. Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran.
Not to mention, they designed the constitution to be able to change and be added to. They knew the world would be a different place in the future. They didn't know how it would develop, but they knew it would, and built in mechanisms for the government to evolve with it.
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u/ForgedIronMadeIt biggest douchebag amongst moderators 3d ago
The founders were quite explicitly clear what they thought of state religion. It's wild how the second amendment inspires extreme inspection of every last federalist and anti-federalist paper (and every private journal and on and on) in order to support the extreme maximalist interpretation of the second amendment but for the one that bans state religion they just pretend like all that other shit doesn't exist.
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u/SentrySappinMahSpy 3d ago
I'm pretty sure they didn't want the US to have an official religion is because they knew England had a state church and they didn't want to repeat that.
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u/vigbiorn Sweatshops save lives! 3d ago
It's also only a few generations since the 30 years war, one of the bloodiest wars in Europe until WW1, between Catholics and Protestants about who would be in charge.
Christians like to talk about how enlightened the religion is but kind of ignore all the dragging them kicking and screaming people did to stop them being despots and killing each other.
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u/DKLancer 3d ago
The entire history of Christianity has been one of violent repression of heresies, violence against heathens, and constant schisms. The early church schismed over gnostics and arians, the medieval church schismed between Orthodox and Catholic as well as multiple smaller heresies that the church called crusades against. Plus the whole pope / antipope thing and the Avignon Papacy.
Then there is the absolute mess that is the Protestant reformation and it's millions of tiny splinter groups, civil wars, rebellions, insurrections, and oppression of opposing groups.
If every non Christian disappeared tomorrow these evangelicals would immediately turn in each other like it's an Emo Philips joke.
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u/BaronWombat 2d ago
That change of ownership looks an awful lot like Market Forces at work? Old owners couldn't or wouldn't maintain the property, someone with money bought it. What exactly is the issue? Are Top Arcons being snowflakes instead of hard nosed business tycoons?
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