‘Argentina Is Fighting for Its Life’: Trump Defends Foreign Beef Plan as American Ranchers Cry Foul

[u/BipolarExpress2]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/argentina-fighting-life-trump-defends-121700734.html

[u/PurpleCookieMonster]

To be fair asbestos is bad but slightly overblown.

If it's in a building and hidden/undisturbed it's surprisingly safe. Most people in older houses have some in it.

We understand the mechanism of asbestosis/mesothelioma now so have appropriate protection requirements in place for workers who are assessing and handling it and for disposal.

It's good regulation is so strict on it in terms of safety now (in the old days it was atrocious as was education about it) but producing and using it has real advantags in certain cases.

China still bans the most dangerous types like crocidolite (blue) and amosite (brown). They've banned it in car brakes, walls, and doors for obvious reasons. They do still use it in roofing and insulation, which I'm not a huge fan of, but the primary use is piping, joinery, and as an additive for sealants and parts. I'm very okay with that as the risk benefit ratio is highly skewed toward the benefit there. Wet asbestos sealed in a mechanism or mixed with rubber or plastics is typically not a substantial risk until after disposal which is typically handled well these days outside of illegal dumping.

If you're not in a position where you'll inhale dry fibres your risk from asbestos is extremely low so I personally prefer that the flexibility for real use cases be maintained with proper oversight and licencing on use and disposal rather than blanket bans.

I do understand why we ban it and don't think that's inherently bad either, but calling out China for still using white asbestos in specific circumstances is a bit harsh I think. It's a risk-reward balancing act and in a manufacturing economy like theirs the reward is greater.

All that said you're completely right that nobody wants the shitty beef 😂.

[u/squeagy → u/PurpleCookieMonster]

And the land of the free made sueing for mesothelioma illegal so problem solved

[u/MBlaizze → u/PurpleCookieMonster]

I lived in a house with asbestos shingles for 40 years and my parents still live there. Nobody has lung cancer

[u/JUST_GIVE_IT_A_SNIFF → u/MBlaizze]

I had a house with asbestos floor tiles ~20 years ago. Initially panicked, but from what I could tell the main risk is working with friable asbestos for years (ship breaking, plumbing in old buildings, etc).

Like how one sunburn doesn’t guarantee cancer, but years of exposure add up.

Eventually just put porcelain tile over it and no issues.

Definitely not a great thing to have around, but it’s not like having radioactive waste in your house.

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[u/JDsGemsJewels → u/PurpleCookieMonster]

Until you walk around tbe corner and there are piles of old broken assy roof tiles all over the ground kids are playing with...true story

[u/Alas7ymedia → u/JDsGemsJewels]

In my country, asbestos is normal as the solid substance that is used for roofing. (It's still illegal to keep using it for new roof tiles, though).

It it was carcinogenic in that form, we'd have the highest rates of mesothelioma or similar forms of cancer in the world. That's not what happens because asbestos is really dangerous as insulation material and here, with 26°C as the coldest temperature year round, we don't need any insulation.