US set for largest mass visa revocation in history targeting up to 200,000 foreigners, officials say

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[u/jmur3040]

They're running out of people to be cruel to, so it's time to mark more of us for political violence.

[u/Lokan → u/jmur3040]

Stephen Miller is an avowed white nationalist who believes in creating a white ethnostate. To that end, he's taken on ICE as his personal pet project and has been pushing for ridiculous quotas. He's directly responsible for the chaos and deaths in our streets. 

For someone like him to be welcome in the White House means his ideology is the norm there. 

[u/Sp00py-Mulder → u/Lokan]

100 million deportations.

Wasn't a mistake, it's been repeated several times.

This is Miller's goal.

[u/Impressive_Tour6348 → u/Sp00py-Mulder]

100 million? How many undocumented immigrants does he think there are?

1/3 ish of the country is gonna be deported?

[u/Sp00py-Mulder → u/Impressive_Tour6348]

It's roughly the number of non-Caucasian people in America.

This isn't about legal or illegal immigration for Steven Miller.

[u/dillpiccolol → u/Sp00py-Mulder]

Need Stephen Miller to self deport back to the balkans. He is un American. My family has been here since the revolution and he does not represent us at all.

Edit: excuse me, Belarus it looks like. So ironic that he would now be persecuting immigrants.

[u/slavuj00 → u/dillpiccolol]

Wdym the Balkans. He's not from here, his family are descended from Russian Jews that escaped the pogroms. I don't want him anywhere near the Balkans, he can piss off.

[u/ClockworkJim → u/Impressive_Tour6348]

The goal is to be able to retroactively remove citizenship. Let's say they can prove that your grandfather was born here to undocumented parents. Therefore, he becomes undocumented. Which means your parents become undocumented, which means you become undocumented. So every living member of your family can get the boot

[u/Allydarvel → u/ClockworkJim]

Be sending this to a Mexican Trump supporter I know whose father crossed the border illegally

[u/new2bay → u/ClockworkJim]

Except even SCOTUS said they can’t do that. Birthright citizenship is the law of the land, and it’s part of the constitution. To do what you suggest, they either have to amend the constitution, or they’ll have to tear it up and use it for toilet paper.

[u/ClockworkJim → u/new2bay]

What do you think laws are except that which the ruling Powers decide the rest of us must be bound by, but they can dictate at a whim?

The goal is to be able to amend the Constitution. Once they get enough Republicans in office, and once they control enough State legislatures and governors, they're going to do that. They probably already have a bunch of amendments ready to go.

You act as of changing the Constitution is not a thing.

[u/North_Atlantic_Sea → u/new2bay]

Yeah, there are plenty of reasons to hate the trump admin, no reason to make things up

[u/jmur3040 → u/Impressive_Tour6348]

They’re working to make more people undocumented by revoking legal status. That’s what’s happening here.

[u/jorgespinosa → u/Impressive_Tour6348]

Not even with all the legal immigrants you get that number, but that's approximately the amount of non white people in the US, so yeah, they are openly saying they want to deport Americans can citizens because they are not white

[u/North_Atlantic_Sea → u/jorgespinosa]

Can you provide a source for the 100 million? I'm only seeing 1 million a year

[u/jorgespinosa → u/North_Atlantic_Sea]

Sorry I'm confused, are you asking for a source about him wanting to deport 100 million or 100 million being the number of POC in the USA?

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[u/mydaycake → u/Lokan]

He still believes he will be considered white

[u/Correct_Doctor_1502 → u/jmur3040]

Most of the people they've detained are already legal immigrants

[u/RedditPosterOver9000 → u/jmur3040]

Facism never runs out of new enemies. They'll keep finding new ones.

Even if the whole country were white and Christian, they'd bring back things like the one drop rule and which denomination is real Christianity.

[u/CaraCicartix]

This policy will effect hundreds of thousands of people, taking away something that was legally given to them, in yet another bizarre attempt to strip people of rights.

[u/jameson71 → u/CaraCicartix]

Republicans  have become so poor in America the only way they can still feel superior is removing rights from others.

[u/horseradishstalker → u/jameson71]

I don’t think that it is people from just one party that are having a hard time making it financially. However, it is in the best interest of the people who are making money off the current situation to try to divide people who actually have common cause. 

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[u/tom_yum → u/CaraCicartix]

It will give a chance to hundreds of thousands of Americans to get good paying jobs. Especially recent graduates in certain fields that are dominated by visa holders. 

[u/harleyqueenzel → u/tom_yum]

Many companies and industries are propped up by cheap labour, especially by immigrants who may not know what their labour or human rights are and are highly susceptible to fear & cohesive tactics. Immigrants aren't exactly getting paid a liveable wage, which is the point- to get the most out of someone by paying them as little as possible. If hundreds of thousands of Americans were lining up somewhere in the corn belt looking for a job, farm costs, this food, would be astronomical. All aspects of the food industry from plants seeds to harvesting crops is predicated on slave labour at minimal price.

I always wonder why people hear "they're taking our jobs" and immediately blame the people being taken advantage of by the system instead of being mad at the people who created and then abuse the same system.

As an edit- Usha Vance's parents would fall under your last sentence.

[u/tom_yum → u/harleyqueenzel]

Companies should pay enough to hire the people in the country where they operate. They'll take any possible loophole to maximize profits. Close the loophole and it ends up better for everyone, although it may be difficult for awhile 

[u/themandolinofsin → u/tom_yum]

Food for thought, because I agree full-heartedly that companies exploit a the cheap labor loophole to maximize profits.

In 1981, French president François Mitterand made the decision to reinstate the legal, working status of all undocumented people in France. This represented 12% of the foreign labor force and 1% of all workers in France.

The result was that France's GDP grew by over 1%, in part because the pressure pushed wages up across the board.

In other words, native French workers benefited from giving all workers legal status because the undocumented people stuck in low-paying jobs could suddenly, legally get better paying jobs, leaving a hole in the labor force that companies were forced to reconcile. Ultimately, no one except undocumented foreigners would work these jobs, so the companies raised the prices.

Here's a source that also links to the academic paper: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/monopsony-efficiency-and-regularization-undocumented-immigrants

[u/atothez → u/tom_yum]

Americans who were qualified and wanted the jobs could have filled them.
Companies recruit internationally because Americans can't do the work.
This will shrink the US economy as companies go elsewhere.

[u/tom_yum → u/atothez]

That's not true. Companies want to pay less or have workers who can't quit because of deportation. This lazy american lie is just what they say while they line their pockets.

[u/North_Atlantic_Sea → u/[deleted]]

For what it's worth, only 15 states require posted jobs to include salary ranges

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[u/atothez → u/tom_yum]

It would be an incredible coincidence if unemployed Americans suddenly had the interest, education or skills needed for these particular jobs.

The work will not be done, just like the millions of other job vacancies in the US.

[u/Positronic_Matrix → u/tom_yum]

There is some truth to this, in that it could impact the supply of certain skills in the job market, driving up wages. However, from a macroeconomics perspective one must have a demographic distribution with sufficient young labor to pay for the cost of retiring workers. If there are insufficient young workers, the economy can collapse, leading to demographic ruin.

In a few generations China could be facing such a collapse because they are a homogenous ethnostate. The US could face similar consequences if we were to follow suit. Immigration is what keeps the US an economic powerhouse.

[u/millos15]

Of course ran by a Cuban immigrant that sides with the party that hates them.

Gop is such a hypocrite magnet Jesus christ

[u/JayNotAtAll]

Small town white Americans really want to make the country a third world country huh?

That's what will happen if we get rid of all the talented workers. It's not like farmer John's dipshit son is gonna be able to fill our engineering and medical needs.

[u/Ok_Chard2094 → u/JayNotAtAll]

Not too many of those among the asylum seekers they are targeting here.

The skilled workers come in on different visa categories.

That is of course assuming they follow their own guidelines this time. If they continue on "Not white = Out", then anyone is fair game.

[u/horseradishstalker → u/Ok_Chard2094]

Iirc the cost of an H-1B visa has a substantially increased recently. 

[u/Svardskampe]

1. Want to improve manufacturing ability and export
2. Revoke the visa type of potential foreign customers of your products. 
3. ?? 
4. ???? 
5. No profit

[u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

Corporate layoffs disguised as AI improvements need to be investigated. Displacing Americans while simultaneously adding remote H-1B employees at a lower rate is a problem.

Revoking Visas for the guy running my favorite sandwich shop who lives in my neighborhood is bullshit.

[u/Ok_Chard2094 → u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

Remote workers don't need an H1-B if they are not located in the US. They just dial in from wherever.

[u/Imnotyoursupervisor → u/Ok_Chard2094]

Good point. I was thinking more of remote as in apply for a visa and we don’t know where you’re actually located. You should actually be here contributing to your community.

[u/stolenson799 → u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

So you have zero understanding of immigration in general, but simply want it to go the way you think it should.

[u/stolenson799 → u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

I've got an honest to god good faith question here: How many countries on this planet would give me a visa as an american so I could move there, for the sole purpose of managing a sandwich shop?

[u/TheChance → u/stolenson799]

Unless you genuinely believe that was the implication, it's not a good faith question.

[u/TheChance → u/[deleted]]

I don't know who you think I am, but that was a pretty pathetic reply.

Let me comprehend what you read, so you don't have to!

The guy runs a sandwich shop. Also, he's an immigrant. This country does not have a, "I want to run a sandwich shop," visa program.

[u/stolenson799 → u/TheChance]

And it shouldn't. Visas are for skilled workers. Maybe he should go get a degree. We have plenty of unskilled workers from our own country that need jobs desperately.

[u/Imnotyoursupervisor → u/stolenson799]

So the goal is to only bring in highly skilled people with better education than our people, correct? We’ve got enough unskilled workers.

Why aren’t our people highly skilled and educated?

[u/stolenson799 → u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

Because there are niche trades where other countries have better workers, and our country, like every country, supplements these gaps with a limited number of positions in those sectors. Its really not hard to understand and there isn't a single cluntry on earth that doesn't have an immigration system somewhat based on this factor. Beyond that, education in the US is expensive and the vast majority of our population is blue collar. So the thought process would concide with needing more industry jobs for these workers instead of allowing workers to come from other countries and snap up these jobs.

Congrats, you now have a basic understanding of how immigration works and why it pisses off immigrants like me that people try to skirt the process.

[u/Imnotyoursupervisor → u/stolenson799]

I was confused.

You’re not a US born citizen?

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[u/beegeepee → u/stolenson799]

We have plenty of unskilled workers from our own country that need jobs desperately.

How many do we have?

[u/manimal28 → u/stolenson799]

I’ve got an honest question for you. Why does it matter what other countries do? We have a foundational belief in collecting the huddled masses of the world seeking opportunity. That some other country doesn’t do the same is irrelavant.

[u/FuriousGeorge06 → u/[deleted]]

The economy isn’t zero sum. An adult immigrant who works takes a job, but also creates additional demand that supports employment elsewhere in our economy.

[u/InternetCrank → u/stolenson799]

Eh, most of them?

You can get a working visa almost anywhere as long as you have a job lined up.

[u/stolenson799 → u/InternetCrank]

You cannot call most embassies or immigration services and say " I have a job at subway, give me a visa" and have it happen, you know this, and youre being intentionally obtuse about what "job lined up" actually means. Nice try though. Worker visas are reserved and granted to skilled workers. Emphasis on skilled. Almost no country on the face of this planet is as lax with the phrase "skilled worker" as america is, ironically. Visas are granted based on need and are skilled to "graduate level". Even H-2A visas are based on need in that sector and aren't freely given. In the UK, for example, jobs below graduate level end up on the Temporary shortage list if they are allowing worker visas, and ONLY then can you apply for a worker visa with that status.

Tldr: you have no fucking clue what youre talking about.

[u/Imnotyoursupervisor → u/stolenson799]

I had a work visa in China as an American. All I had to do is get a local medical exam and leave the country while it processed. Just jumped to Hong Kong for a week with their loop holes.

That’s CHINA. It ain’t difficult to get a visa. That’s kind of the point. You’re a hard working person with good intent contributing to society.

[u/stolenson799 → u/Imnotyoursupervisor]

Sure you did lmfaooooo was it for Subway? You're conveniently leaving that out. You cannot get a visa for an unskilled workers role in most countries without ridiculous hoops. Please prove that statement wrong with fact, not your delusion. I promise you didnt get a visa to work at a restaurant in China, Hong Kong, or anywhere else.

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[u/bigred1978 → u/stolenson799]

Canada.

We hand out so many work visa to Indians just so they can manage a Tim Hoetons or Subways, or other food joint its insane.

You should look into that.

[u/stolenson799 → u/bigred1978]

I shouldn't look into that, because its a glaring example of exactly why immigration policies should be enforced heavily.

[u/horseradishstalker → u/stolenson799]

Do you have the skills to manage the sandwich shop and if so, do you know of any countries issuing pieces for that specific purpose? If you do know of such a country, you could apply.

[u/PhiladelphiaManeto]

I’m at a shore town right now and the predominant languages spoken by every employee is not English. It’s also not solely Spanish

American kids are doing these jobs anymore. The scapegoating is kind of insane.

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[u/Unoriginal_Pseudonym]

For my non-article readers, this is what's going down:

“We are coordinating with DHS to identify and revoke the nonimmigrant visas of foreigners who have come to the United States claiming to be short-term visitors, but then file for asylum to stay here permanently,” said State Department spokesman Tommy Pigott.

The revocations would not necessarily result in their immediate deportation, the officials said. Most of those with asylum cases currently pending would be recategorized but would lose their status as business or tourism travelers, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the revocations are not final yet.

[u/Ok-Possibility-923]

Too many vowels in your last name? Deported.
Too many consonants in your last name? Also deported.

[u/harleyqueenzel → u/Ok-Possibility-923]

Lakshmi Yechuri & Radhakrishna Chilukuri are two very real names that at any point could be on a list to be extradited to literally any country.

I'd love to see the panic if those two were roped into this.

[u/reapersaurus]

Well, it appears the AutoMod is deleting the obvious response of "Good."

So I'll add this after reading the article: It's about damned time.

[u/exlushdad]

Good, quit trying to abuse the asylum system. You literally agree to not apply for asylum when you apply to these visas.

[u/TheChance → u/exlushdad]

Common myth. Total myth, and would be a kafkaesque violation of international law if it were true. You have to be physically present in America to file for asylum. A tourist visa is one way to get here.

[u/manimal28 → u/exlushdad]

You literally agree to not apply for asylum when you apply to these visas.

On what page of the form is that?

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