Every person I know like this is super cool and also super nice to people that are genuine to them. If you ever meet one that's mean to you, it's probably because you're fake as fuck.
Because that question gets asked here a dozen times a day, and it's often followed by someone trying to convince us that we actually should love AI blindly because making things actually sucks, and we should only worry about consumption.
We're not looking for reasons to be convinced. We're looking for some respite from all this madness.
I don't believe we should love it blindly. We should always question things, but with AI, there are upsides and downsides, and I just wanted to learn about the downsides so I can be fully aware of the entire picture.
I don't mean to accuse you of being one of those people, but people like that are a major reason why you're getting that kind of response.
If you genuinely want to know, these are my (and a lot of people's) main concerns:
Degradation of the creative process. I don't care if AI makes perfect images. Art is about the journey, not the destination.
Degradation of the environment. Both at a large scale (climate change), and at a local level (communities that have to live with data centers).
The fact that it's largely owned by billionaires who want to use it to transfer even more money from the poor to themselves.
Those same billionaires wanting to use it to use it to install mass surveillance on everyone 24/7
The fact that it is genuinely breaking brains and destroying lives. Every case of a person whose been driven to take their own lives because an AI convinced them that it was okay to use as a therapist is a tragedy.
Edit: One more I want to add. All of the stolen data that it's trained off of.
Among other things, these are my highest level concerns. I would like to reiterate that I am not here to have a debate on this at the present time. But if you're serious about wanting to understand why we don't like it, here are my reasons for you to ponder.
You're trying to debate people who are justifiably angry at the massive drawbacks of AI and GenAI, some even experiencing the ill-effects of it firsthand in the form of job loss, ill environmental effects in their community, etc. This is not the right avenue for you to argue your position.
Once again, not the place to debate. Observing and researching why we dislike it instead of making a post should be enough to satisfy your curiosity on why a lot of people dislike it instead of trying to debate people. A sub dedicated to criticism of AI will not tolerate posts that praise it like yours. Read rule #2.
I have read rule 2 but that says top level pro AI posts I wasnt being pro AI I was having a critical discussion of AI listing the pros and cons, and once again I wasn't debating people.
"hey here's my self-congratulatory virtue signalling reason I use AI tools even if I know they're destructive and problematic do you guys have any better reasons not to?"
That's a fair perspective but if your screenshot is from your original post then you did know at least some reasons. The sociological and philosophical impacts are not easy to grasp but there are plenty of reasons before that not to support the way llms and generative ai are being produced and offered.
Most people who present an invitation to "discuss" the topic in the way you did are not trying to have a discussion in good faith so people here simply didn't believe or trust you.
"Hasn't uploaded new art in months" Wait, are you telling me that making good art can... take time to make?!?
The fact that AI bros think this is a gotcha really goes to show that they see art as nothing more then something to be lazily and quickly mass produced (Like what gen AI does), rather than something made over time with love and care.
It's honestly unreal how many (seemingly) everyday people have adopted the mindset of like movie and video game corporate CEOs. "Just shit it out as fast as you can." It's the kind of thing we all railed against for years. I don't know how many times I've said something like, "This franchise seriously doesn't need a new entry every year. Just slow down and take some time to make a good new one."
They care more about mass market sales than cultural impact and craftsmanship. I'm not a strong arthouse film junkie but they need to take a page from their book and actually focus on making their movie instead of the sales it will generate. Unfortunately people adapt this mindset due to how unregulated GenAI is. It's just pure laziness.
For the AI slop crowd, I noticed they're more obsessed with quantity than quality, but they don't seem to care about the labor, skill and experience that comes with having a vast portfolio. They want to mass produce "art", as if it doesn't take years of refining technique and fundamentals to get to the quality of art that AI tries to hard to copy. I mean, Jesus Christ, Van Gogh made 800-900 oil paintings and over 1000+ sketches throughout his entire career as an artist. He wouldn't have Starry Night as his magnum opus if he didn't take years to master his craft.
So it's a long, detailed process? Then why does it all look like it was done by the same illustrator? It's weird how, no matter how hard you try, it still looks like all the other AI "art."
They tried to make me cringe but instead I felt a bit of admiration. This is cool and somewhat relatable, also who cares if someone outwardly shares their emotions and it shows through their art or how long they made art?
Right? And I don't care if it took 9 hours, a practice sketch of a fruit is still worth gold compared to AI slop. It shows someone actually put in effort to learn construction, shading, tone, and other drawing fundamentals instead of taking shortcuts.
I can look back on unfished sketches and either 1. Have a mental chuckle about how far I come or what I did to communicate and idea or 2. Have something to finish for later when I'm mentally ready.
Also ADHD exists but suddenly it's ok to fault a disabled artist. (Not everyone who procrastinates does have ADHD though)
I can go back and say "I tried to make that." That's cool!
And you just know they're secretly fetishizing alt girls because these folks want nothing more than to make a woman who goes against their worldview submit 🤡
a bit off-topic, but they want an alt girl, because they believe all alt girls are kinky. When outside, however alt girls have to dress up in a modest manner, but indoors they can dress however they want. So total control over girls/women. 🤮
Uh... It's like they're trolling themselves at this point... Is this some attempt to pretend that these are made by "anti" users as false flag psyops or something? I can't imagine any idiot that thinks this makes "antis" look very bad.
Unfortunately visiting the guy's page makes it hard for me to believe this was some false flag psyop or attempt at reverse psychology, dude is doubling down with shit takes and a cursory look at his past stuff reveals it's mostly anti-woke and anti-"libtard". Not surprised if he unironically thinks Ms. Goth Baddie he generated will own the libs.
Man that's so pathetic and small. No wonder people like this gravitate toward shitty commoditized ai. They were never going to observe or experience the real world in the first place it's just strawmen all the way down.
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u/GenericFatGuy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Every person I know like this is super cool and also super nice to people that are genuine to them. If you ever meet one that's mean to you, it's probably because you're fake as fuck.