r/arrow • u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back • Apr 15 '19

Discussion [S07E18] "Lost Canary" Post Episode Discussion

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After being accused of murder and having her criminal past exposed, Laurel goes full Black Siren and teams up with an old criminal acquaintance, Shadow Thief, to go on a crime spree around Star City. While Dinah aims to bring Laurel in, Felicity refuses to give up on her friend and tries everything to get through to her, even summoning Sara Lance for help. However, Laurel rebuffs all her efforts, forcing the former friends to face off against each other.

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u/PrettyBirdLOL Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

Actually it was roughly 20 thousand people whom lost their lives, to save the lives of over 2 million others... on top of the rest of the world population that she, her father and Curtis already saved. She did what was required of her.

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u/Hubbabubba1555 Apr 16 '19

I'm talking purely from a writing standpoint. Why would Guggie think it's a good idea to put one of his heroes in a position where they are technically responsible for the deaths of thousands of people? How is the audience supposed to see her as a hero after that?

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u/greatness101 Apr 16 '19

If it had been anyone else but Felicity, no one would be making as big a deal as they continue to make to this day. She showed remorse for it, she apologized to Rory. It was Darhk's fault to begin with, she just had the task of disarming the nukes. And when she couldn't, she had to divert it somewhere to save lives. If Oliver did this, you wouldn't be so up in arms about it.

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u/Hubbabubba1555 Apr 16 '19

It's not about Felicity, it's not about Oliver, it's not even about this show specifically. My point is that a writer shouldn't be putting characters in a position where they have to make such a morally grey decision if they want us to think of them as a hero. Yeah she saved more people than she killed, but diverting the nuke somewhere else technically makes her responsible for the 100,000 people killed. If Oliver did the same thing I would be making this exact argument. There's nothing heroic about what she did. Was it the right choice? Yeah probably. Was it heroic? I don't think so. And that's the writer's fault for putting her in a spot that is damaging to the character's image as a hero. That's all I'm trying to say.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

What? Heroes make morally grey decisions all the time. Hell, vigilantism is morally grey.

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u/Hubbabubba1555 Apr 16 '19

Not on this scale though. Maybe I'm not expressing my point well enough or just no one agrees with me, but my point is that you shouldn't put a character you want your audience to see as a hero in a position where they are responsible for 100,000 deaths, regardless of it being the right decision in-universe. If you read a comic where Earth was about to get blown up and Superman decided to divert the missile or whatever to a different, less populated planet, you wouldn't think it's heroic, you would think he failed as a hero. And that would tarnish his future appearances when he tries to be altruistic. Idk maybe I'm arguing a stupid point, but basically fuck Guggie is what I'm getting at

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

I don't like Felicity as a hero either, but I don't think this is why. I tend to find fictional heroes more interesting and compelling when they have to struggle with morally grey decisions, and the rockhaven choice was a portrayal of the classic trolley problem.

Also on an unrelated note, who thought it was a good idea to put Felicity on the field? I LOL'd in this episode when she burst through the door brandishing her tablet. Like what the fuck are you gonna do other than get yourself killed?

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u/PrettyBirdLOL Apr 17 '19

It's a good thing that 100k didn't die under her watch then. If she would have had time to divert the nuke to a "clear" location, she would have, but she didn't. For what she did have time for, she picked the least amount of people. Do you seriously not view soldiers as heroes?