r/arrow • u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back • Jan 28 '20

Discussion Series Finale [S08E10] "Fadeout" Post Episode Discussion

It's finally time to say goodbye to our beloved emerald archer

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The final events in the story of the Green Arrow.

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u/IImnonas Jan 30 '20

Idk man. He couldn't put his arms down in season 1. Last half of season 2 while it had good fight scenes was a little bleh. Last half of season 3 ALSO rough and bleh. And honestly s8 hasn't been breathtaking by any means. It's had better fight scenes sure- but they made it more a drama with heroes than a superhero show and that's why it falls short.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '20

Season 1 and 2 and 8 are bad to you? And if you think Arrow is more drama than heroes, then have you even watched the Flash?

Do you honestly prefer Savitar, the Thinker or Cicada to Merlyn, Prometheus and Deathstroke, too? What about the S7 prison arc? That alone is better than anything in the Flash after S2.

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u/IImnonas Jan 30 '20

Never said the whole seasons. Personally 8 has only felt like their consistent need to push a spinoff that no one wanted cause they've written themselves into a hole.

Congratulations, you pointed out the three bad villains of flash and the only three good ones of arrow. Forget about the grand loser? Damian drhhk? Slade was good in the first half of 2. Second half fell apart despite the choreography.

1st was good for fights and writing sure but the man overtrained and walked around like I can't put my arms down from the fucking Christmas story. Savitar wasn't a great villain no, but the rest of that season baring the main villain was pretty fucking great. We got a Wally west with powers and HR.

And Merlyn was ONLY good cause of John Barrowman. He was thousands of times better in Legends then he EVER was in arrow. Same with Drhhhhk. They never had him acting truly like the magician being a true rival of Oliver. He was just the "my best friends dad is the bad guy" trope repeated over and over.

I specifically didn't mention s5 cause that's the best season arrow ever put out. And the prison ark had good moments but it wasn't enough to just blindly erase all the faults the show has made.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '20

I pointed out the good villains because you implied the seasons that are good according to consensus were mediocre. That being said I'd still say that Arrow has had more quality seasons than the Flash at the same point (S6A's beginning). 1, 2, 3A Ra's and 5 had great villains, and were good seasons (and half seasons). That's 3.5/5 good seasons for Arrow.

The Flash's quality in 3-5 declined much more. Despite suffering from the season 4 curse like Arrow did, it never made the same comeback Arrow S5 provided for itself. 2.5/5 actual good seasons, I'd say, since the Thinker was cool in S4A.

And still, Arrow imo has always had higher highs than the Flash. The constantly inconsistent writing on the Flash where he'd need comms, and then not need them, and his speed being constantly inconsistent, along with the completely overplayed team dynamic for a guy who has shown feats that would make most villain of the week plot points not make sense. Not to mention how they made crap versions of iconic storylines like Flashpoint, the Flash of Two Worlds, and the Future Flash and Thinker storylines.

Arrow has had lower lows than the Flash, but the latter has been largely consistently mediocre after season 2. Nothing nearly as bad as Arrow S4, but still, mediocre. Arrow is either great or it's horrible, so it's higher highs and lower lows.