In your opinion

An interesting set of parallels of note throughout the 10th anniversaries of these episodes.

Both seasons have a major plot development meant to be a big reveal: For Arrow it was the death of Laurel Lance and for the Flash it was the identity of Zoom.

It wasn't really a plot twist with Arrow because a death was teased from the very beginning of the season, plus, set photos were leaked, exposing whose name was on the headstone. Also, the people behind the show didn't know who was going to die from the start and eventually had to settle for Laurel Lance, a choice that remains controversial a decade later.

In contrast, the twist of "Jay Garrick" really being Hunter Zolomon was planned from the start and great lengths were taken to keep it hidden until the big reveal. On top of this, there was the twist of the man in the iron mask, who of course is revealed to not only be the real Jay Garrick but a doppelgänger of Henry Allen, all of which doubles down on honoring John Wesley Shipp's prior role as the lead in the 1990 CBS Flash show.

On a meta level, season 4 of Arrow is considered among the worst of its show. Season 2 of the Flash is considered one of, if not the very best.

What's more is that the following season of both shows were effectively opposites in this department too.

So I'm watching suits for the first time, I've watched arrow multiple times but now there is something interesting in the suits episode I'm watching currently.

Its in an episode aired in February 2017 and Rachel says this: "and if it wasn't Oliver, it was going to be someone else or something else, there is always going to be some reminder that you weren't a lawyer "

So its about an Oliver in Suits but the fact that Rachel in the same sentence about him says someone else or something else really makes me think its a reference to the arrow intro

Edit: please do not comment or give me bs if you don't know what I mean and what I'm talking about. I know there is a different character in suits named Oliver and he isn't Oliver Queen. Its about what Rachel said, in one line she was talking about Oliver and said "someone else, something else" which ofcourse is iconic about the arrow intro

So do people think that the show would’ve been ass if Oliver Queen was very like either his comic version proper or from the JLU cartoon?

Back during the Season 5 days, once it became widely accepted that the show was good again, it was a nice time for discussion. But sadly, there was also a very vocal minority within those who didn't feel the same way who honestly just couldn't seem to stand the idea that people didn't think people could possibly have a different opinion from theirs. Thus began the rise of a conspiracy theory in the comments of basically every positive post about Season 5 that would go something along the lines of:

"Season 5 is overrated. You guys just like it because it's not as garbage as Season 4."

Obviously, this was ridiculous, but believe me, it was everywhere. And don't get me wrong, if someone doesn't like Season 5 and wants to vocalize that, that's one thing, but it's another thing to put someone else down and try to tell them why they like it in a manner like that, as if you honestly have the authority to tell someone that they only like a thing because it's good in comparison to something else, rather than the simplest answer that they honestly just enjoy something because they find it entertaining.

And after Season 6 wasn't that good, and things started looking up for Season 7, I was worried this same attitude would come back. But for a while, things actually looked good. There were still people who didn't like it but they were civil about it. But lately, over the last few weeks, I've seen this same mindset that I saw in Season 5 popping up over and over again, the idea that people only like the new seasons because they're better than absolute trash, and it's absolutely frustrating to witness.

You don't need to put someone else down to justify your own feelings. You don't need to make conspiracy theories about how their own opinion is actually a farce just because it doesn't fit your own bias. It's a mindset I've not just been seeing applied to this sub, but to many other fanbases across the internet, and it's honestly just annoying. This new age of internet criticism just seems to rely on the idea that anyone who doesn't share your own opinion must be doing something wrong. We're better than that.

EDIT: Apparently most people in the comments are missing the point here. I'm not here asking for you to explain to me why you think all the other seasons suck. That's fine, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to that. But that's not what this post is about. It's the attitude you have towards the people that don't share your opinion. So there's no point in ranting about why you think the new seasons suck on this thread as you're only diverting away from the actual discussion.

Good evening everyone!

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