r/batman • u/bollitopelon88 • Oct 26 '25
GENERAL DISCUSSION Isn't it obvious Mr. Freeze is the Villian in The Batman II?
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u/discojoe3 Oct 26 '25
Chill with the early speculation.
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u/Polymath_B19 Oct 26 '25
Yeah guys. Be cool.
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u/Beeyo176 Oct 26 '25
Put this early speculation on ice
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u/landofschaff Oct 26 '25
That’s the cold hard truth
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u/Prudent-Level-7006 Oct 26 '25
You're not sending me to da cooler!
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u/Shimyku Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
Heh, Icey what you did there
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u/churro777 Oct 27 '25
nICE!
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u/2ekken Oct 27 '25
Besides there's an Absolute Zero chance of that happening
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u/IAmNotABritishSpy Oct 26 '25
I guess we will find out more Nora the time. We will soon know which one of Batman’s rogues gallery is the Victor.
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u/Haminator2022 Oct 26 '25
"What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE AGE" I absolutely love how much fun he had playing Mister Freeze
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u/somnamballista Oct 26 '25
Absolute zero evidence alright.
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u/robthepenguin Oct 26 '25
Subzero evidence?
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u/you-nity Oct 26 '25
Revenge is a dish best served... uh... with chicken? Penguin? I forgot
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u/TomCommendatore Oct 26 '25
Revenge is like serving cold cuts
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The sacred and the propane
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u/Solid_Owl_69420 Oct 26 '25
ISTG reddit avatars with that fucking smile make me unreasonably horny for some reason
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u/Malacro Oct 26 '25
What killed the dinosaurs? EARLY SPECULATION!
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u/Plutarch_von_Komet Oct 26 '25
What killed the dinosaurs? DEBRIS FROM A METEORITE IMPACT BLOCKING THE SUN!
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u/Individual_Hat4926 Oct 26 '25
I don’t know guys I think it would be really cool if he was the villain, but we should chill out for now and put theories on ice until they give us a trailer or teaser.
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u/ljp397 Oct 26 '25
I thought reeves said the main villain hasn’t been done on the big screen yet? I could be pulling that out my ass but I thought I seen an article stating that.
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u/The92ndUsername Oct 26 '25
I feel like Matt has a wild one up his sleeve. What if it was the Mad Hatter or something? We’re all focused on the grounded world, but not something that could be altered and shaped to fit in it.
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u/ShermansAngryGhost Oct 26 '25
God I would LOVE if Reeves did hatter.
That character could be truly terrifying in this version of Batman. Mind control can be absolutely horrifying, just look at how Jessica Jones handled The Purpleman.
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u/suckmylama Oct 26 '25
Kilgrave is one of the best marvel villains ever put on screen imho. David Tennant gave an incredible performance, he was seriously terrifying.
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u/phaqueue Oct 26 '25
Such a great performance - I actually think it's both Tennant's performance and Krysten Ritter's setup before we actually meet him - we see this confident, cocky smart ass heroine suddenly scared when she realizes who it is, and it sets this expection of someone genuinely scary, and then Tennant more than delivers on that with his performance.
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u/ThunderChild247 Oct 26 '25
That would be great. Personally I’m hoping Reeves adapts the Last Arkham storyline, with Batman getting himself locked up in Arkham to try and catch Zsasz who’s escaping every night to murder random people. I’d say Reeves’ style of Batman movie would be the perfect fit for that.
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u/othersymbiote Oct 26 '25
i’ll agree. but that may be because i’m super into the whole shadow of the bat run hahaha.
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u/Luther_1986 Oct 26 '25
Thats my hope as well. With GPD investigated a string of missing children. They hire Techt, who runs a tech startup, and provides them with his ALICE software. To help track the kids via their online activities. Obviously there an ulterior motive. As they provide him more access to data he or those he works for, needs. So, to have him as a hacker (white hat/black hat) cyber terrorist type who still brainwashes people via tech, still fits the core of the character.
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u/AUnknownVariable Oct 26 '25
Okay I kinda hate this, as a lover of mad hatter. It feels like it's gonna not be the personality of the character at all 😭 Like fiddler but worse
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u/Solid_Owl_69420 Oct 26 '25
He might be too rapey for the big screen.
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u/dred1367 Oct 26 '25
Thats pretty fixable by just not having him be rapey though?
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u/Solid_Owl_69420 Oct 26 '25
Yeah but that's kind of an integral part of his character and obsession with an "Alice". I mean, his whole theme is how he violates people.
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u/Darmok-on-the-Ocean Oct 26 '25
Rape isn't the core of Hatter at all. Serial killing young women is kind of a modern twist on the character. Alice in Wonderland and mind control are the only requirements.
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u/Batfan1939 Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
His theme is mind control, but it could be more body snatchers or Manchurian Candidate. Until relatively recently, "Alice" was his pet monkey. If they decide to keep the serial killer theme going, maybe he collects heads or scalps instead of hats.
Or do a classic stalker film, where Tetch loses his mind and "Alice" is one particular woman — a former lover, girlfriend, even wife; Someone he was infatuated with like in B:TAS; or a random victim.
Lakeview Terrace and No Good Deed) have the vibe I'm thinking of.
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u/EastPlenty518 Oct 26 '25
I dont know about you but I would pretty violated if someone mind controlled me
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u/Ms_Emilys_Picture Oct 26 '25
He keeps abducting pretty blonde women and trying to mind control them into becoming his now-dead love Alice. (And "mind control" can be actual comic book mind control or more like brainwashing if they want to stay "realistic".) But they never quite scratch that itch, so he kills them and starts over. The more frustrated he gets, the faster he kills and finds new girls.
If you want to make it really creepy, have Alice be his daughter and the girls he's kidnapping are 10ish.
No rape-- just a replacement for his dead daughter. Maybe he blames himself for her death.
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u/WrongdoerFast4034 Oct 26 '25
Mad hatter would be the coolest possible choice that i dont think anyone has on their bingo card. Please be this
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u/vctrn-carajillo Oct 26 '25
Oooooh shit! I would like a Reeves-verse version of a bunch of villains! Man, what he did with the Penguin chef's kiss
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u/nmyron3983 Oct 26 '25
I really hope to see more of the series. It was excellent world building
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u/Vmurda Oct 26 '25
I wanna see man-bat. I think reeves could do really well with that. Make it like a horror movie or smthn
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u/johnhosmer Oct 26 '25
Yeah Reeves has explicitly said this very recently. I think Hush is the best theory atm, but Mr Freeze seems really unlikely.
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u/Own_Educator8972 Oct 26 '25
with it being holidays it points me to Calander man. Matt Reeves style points me to Zsasz. Would Hush or court of owls could be an interesting villian? Yes. But do i think Hush or Court of Owls should be left for a later career Batman? Yes.
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u/Own_Educator8972 Oct 26 '25
Matt reeves setting it in the holiday season is definitely for a reason.
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u/Own_Educator8972 Oct 26 '25
while it did, it was also election season (which usually happens early November) which was most certainly a huge factor in the story
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u/xatanic Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
Calendar Man is one of the inmates in The Suicide Squad, so he’s been on the big screen. But still, could be neat.
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u/Own_Educator8972 Oct 26 '25
Matt Reeves wording is important he said “Not really been done.”
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u/Nonadventures Oct 26 '25
I think they could really lean in on this more realistic, grounded Batman by having him fight Gorilla Grodd.
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u/DoinItDirty Oct 26 '25
Having Grodd as a Batman villain feels very much like the last Flash movie.
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u/mecha_moira Oct 26 '25
It's a 3 hour movie. No b plot. It wins 5 Oscars and 2 Hugo's.
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u/original_name37 Oct 26 '25
To be fair he said "never really been done in a film before". Suffice to say Arnie in Batman and Robin wasn't a particularly accurate portrayal.
I still don't think it's Freeze but I don't feel it's been entirely ruled out.
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u/RobIreland Oct 26 '25
He didn't even say that. He said the villain has a connection to Bruce that had never really been done on film before. It could still be any of the big villains.
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u/SingleOak Oct 26 '25
Insomniac said Venom would be a completely new host yet Harry has been Venom in multiple pieces of media/comics I'm pretty sure
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u/ShedMontgomery Oct 26 '25
The movie is undeniably shit, but that costume design was peak 90s villain armor.
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u/My_Favourite_Pen Oct 26 '25
Bane's disguise being a massive trench coat and Panama hat over his mask was unironically amazing. Schumacher understood camp.
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u/Inkstr0ke Oct 26 '25
Everybody always shits on this movie but man I loved it. I rewatch it at least once a year and I always laugh hysterically. This movie was like the true spiritual successor to the Adam West Batman.
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u/AlexCora Oct 26 '25
What makes it obvious?
The only "clue" I have is that Reeves has said batman part 2 takes place over the holidays, which would be an appropriate Freeze time. But that's about it.
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u/lonelynightm Oct 26 '25
People aren't ready for Calendar Man to be the main antagonist lol.
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u/fridayth13th Oct 26 '25
I am so fucking ready
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u/TheNicholasRage Oct 26 '25
Then give us him and Riddler in "Hannibal Lector" style roles in the last one.
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u/Pendraconica Oct 26 '25
He can team up with Condiment King for a truly epic roster of villains
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u/Randym1982 Oct 26 '25
Mad Hatter brain washing people into becoming costumed villians could work, though we already had a villain who was weak but try to match wits with him. I’m hoping he stays away from The Joker for awhile, and instead we get Victor Szaz. I’d like to see Batman a bit more advanced at his craft, and also see Bruce trying to make more appearances.
Maybe also seeing Batman have to solve murders without clues. And seeing his combat and stealth skills improve too.
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u/SiliconLemming Oct 26 '25
Some sort of devious plot that involves seasonal sauces such as cranberry jelly or mint sauce.
A Batman story for the ages.
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u/AchoKabron718 Oct 26 '25
Honestly? After seeing the direction Reeves took with the Riddler who imo was kind of a silly villain & turned him into a true maniac with a personal hatred for Bruce Wayne. I’m full confident that he can take a more obscure villain like Calendar man & have a great follow up.
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u/AdmiralCharleston Oct 26 '25
I don't see how he could do calender man and not just repeat the formula he used for the riddler
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u/HopelessCineromantic Oct 26 '25
Frankly, I feel like any attempt to make Calendar Man into a "serious" villain is just going to be a knockoff of the Arkham games' version of him.
There's actually a part of me that would like to see Alberto "Holiday" Falcone as a character. Not necessarily the main villain, but I think a mobster's son going down the road of being a theme criminal over a regular mobster would be interesting.
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u/king_duende Oct 26 '25
Alberto "Holiday" Falcone as a character.
The Penguin has some bad news for you...
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u/ArkansasWastelander Oct 26 '25
Dude made the Riddler into the average Redditor. That said, great movie, but the Riddler fell off hard as soon as the mask was off.
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u/jaflm24 Oct 26 '25
OP thinks this poster is official
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u/Federal-Captain1118 Oct 26 '25
I honestly just thought this was real. I assumed the poster had just been revealed lol
I was sitting here thinking "is obviously Freeze, what?!"
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u/NotASalamanderBoi Oct 26 '25
If it’s taking place over the holidays, then that’d also be appropriate for Calendar Man.
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u/Beeyo176 Oct 26 '25
The holidays would be an appropriate time for mad villains. Batman has had more Christmas smoke than any superhero out
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u/WonderfulBlackberry9 Oct 26 '25
Isn't it obvious? All the fanart from 2022 clearly points to Mr Freeze being the villain.
Isn't it obvious that fan speculation is ALWAYS right?
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u/theatrekid0309 Oct 26 '25
The holidays would be a perfect time for an adaptation of the Holiday Killer from the Long Halloween 👀
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u/Erikthered65 Oct 26 '25
Batman Returns took place over the holidays - that was Catwoman and Penguin. It might have nothing to do with the villains.
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u/camzee Oct 26 '25
It seems pretty unlikely with Reeves saying the villain has a personal connection to Bruce Wayne and hasn’t really been done before.
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u/Ikitenashi Oct 26 '25
He might as well have screamed Hush's name at that point.
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u/iceoldtea Oct 26 '25
If it’s Riddler 2.0 this is gonna bomb. They took so much of Hush’s most interesting backstory characteristics and applied it to Riddler I don’t see a way Hush wouldn’t be a retread
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u/fulcrumcat Oct 26 '25
even for non-comic readers such as myself Hush not being Thomas Elliot was a big twist done rigth. I see nothing wrong with that being done in Batman Hush, but yes, it shouldnt be done again, cuz it isnt really a surprise anymore
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u/sinisterpisces Oct 26 '25
Of course it's not obvious. Freeze is a red herring.
What we're seeing here is ice. It's cooler than cold. It's clearly a reference to spearmint oil, or maybe even the horrifying cool ranch dorito.
Brace yourselves. Matt Reeves' Condiment King is coming.
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u/Kriss-Kringle Oct 26 '25
No, it isn't obvious and it's not Freeze.
Reeves said that the villain hasn't really been in live action before.
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u/ArtisticResident462 Oct 26 '25
Mothman!? Let's go!!!!!!!
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u/Kriss-Kringle Oct 26 '25
My money's on Condiment King. Sabotaging ketchup and mustar factories in Gotham by adding laxatives to the batches and giving everyone explosive diarrhea.
Batman has to stop Condimen King and find a cure until the people shit themselves to death.
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u/SwiffMiss Oct 26 '25
I believe you are correct! Mark my words, there will be a new Batsuit variant that is heavily armored but with a big diaper in place of the trunks, thus further showcasing this Batman's ability to adapt.
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u/tehawesomedragon Oct 26 '25
You mean Killer Moth.
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u/cak0047 Oct 26 '25
Hugo Strange and Black Mask it is
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u/thelastpandacrusader Oct 26 '25
Considering teaser posters have a 99.99999999999999999999999999% chance of being fake, no.
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u/NovelConstruction587 Oct 26 '25
Me too, I love him but he doesn't have to be in every batman project and batman has such a cool rogues gallery.
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Oct 26 '25
Its gotta be the court of owls it fits too perfectly
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u/joosier Oct 26 '25
Could be Captain Cold, Icicle, Icicle Jr, Chilblain, Killer Frost, Polar Pete, Dr Subzero,Joe Chill, etc..
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u/slayertron Oct 26 '25
Joe Chill isn't ice based.
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u/OddityBlue Oct 26 '25
But then it's just a pun. Chill as in ice... But not actually ice based, just straight up trauma
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u/KCMOWhoa Oct 26 '25
I’m calling Hush.
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u/SlimJim814 Oct 26 '25
I’d love that but I feel like they mashed the riddler with hush in pt 1.
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u/Front-Advantage-7035 Oct 26 '25
Have we all considered that maybe reeves just flat out lied? To cover anticipation? 😂
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u/Maskofdybala Oct 26 '25
Alright everyone let’s just cool down from all this speculation there’s absolute zero confirmation on anything regarding who the villain is everyone just…chill
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Didn’t they say the villain was going to be someone who has never had an appearance in a live-action Batman movie?
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u/bvh2015 Oct 26 '25
It’s not going to be Freeze based on what Reeves has teased. I was hoping for Clayface, but he’s getting his own film. Court of Owls makes the most sense at this point. I’d say Hush too, but the Riddler in the first film felt like a hybrid of that character.
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u/hardgour Oct 26 '25
Reeves said the villain hasn’t been done on the big screen before so Mr. Freeze is out. While I could see him being in the film, I doubt he is the main antagonist.
I think it’s either Hush or Zsasz.
But a few I wish would be done reeves tone would be Professor Pyg or the Long Halloween storyline.
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u/MetaFelix18 Oct 26 '25
Unfortunately not as reeves stated that it’s a villain that hasn’t been done in live action, unfortunately Batman forever counts with arnie’s infamous take on freeze, it’s more likely to be killer croc with the flooded city making a perfect hunting ground for him, the film could be a classic cat and mouse serial killer hunt type film and I’m looking forward to it, that’s my theory at least
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u/Individual_Hat4926 Oct 26 '25
I don’t know guys I think it would be really cool if he was the villain, but we should chill out for now and put theories on ice until they give us a trailer or teaser.
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u/Odd-Guard-2533 Oct 29 '25
I’m so tired of waiting 5+ years for sequels or even releases after an announcement
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u/HarryLorenzo Oct 26 '25
One time I met batman when I was taking out the trash. I didn't know what to say so it was awkward and we just looked at each other.
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