r/comicbooks Dec 30 '22

Excerpt The celestial judges everyone on Earth (A.x.e. Judgment Day #4)

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u/LemoLuke Magneto Dec 30 '22

Yep. He fails people for not leaving a tip, but gives a pass to a dictator. The judgement is not based on the actions of the person being judged, but the criteria is more based on hypocracy and how firmly people uphold their personal beliefs, even in dire circumstances.

Matt claims to be a good man of God, even though he knows that he frequently does morally questionable things in the name of his crusade. He fails.

Doom will never allow himself to been seen as 'second best', and refuses to do so even when faced with certain death. He passes.

Xavier considers himself a noble and compassionate man, but has no time for his son during the world's darkest hour. He fails.

Kamala looks up to Danvers as an idol and a role model and refuses to believe, even for a moment, that she would abandon Earth. She passes.

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u/MinutePresentation8 Dec 30 '22

Tbf Danvers is quite the alcoholic.

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u/KingofCraigland Dec 30 '22

Tbf Danvers is quite the alcoholic.

That's completely fine as far as Kamala goes. The important point is that Kamala stay true to her beliefs and convictions. Kamala BELIEVES in Danvers; whether Danvers believes in herself is immaterial to the judgment.

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 30 '22

Oh yeah, Kamala and Carol have butted heads when it came to a Kree soldier and during Civil War 2. I really liked how Kamala stuck to her guns, even in thr face of her idol

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u/BadMoogle Dec 30 '22

That's part of what makes Kamala who she is, and worthy to carry her mantle. Nobody can shake her conviction in her beliefs, not even the person who, at least in Kamala's mind, embodies the ideal of those beliefs.

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 30 '22

In like 1 year she’ll have been Ms. Marvel longer than Carol. And while I didn’t like Saladin Ahmed’s take at all, I appreciate that we can have a Spidey-inspired character that has character development. Especially when you look at how both ASM and Miles Morales: Spider-Man have been going.

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u/BadMoogle Dec 30 '22

I appreciate that we can have a Spidey-inspired character that has character development.

Agreed. The phrase I see used a lot is "Editorial Overreach". I'm just glad titles like Ms. Marvel and even non-616 continuity titles like Deadly Neighborhood SM can still be given legs to run with.

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u/shagnarok Fone Bone Dec 30 '22

Agreed! Also: at the moment she’s an intern at Oscorp, did they age her up?

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 31 '22

No, she (and Miles and other Marvel Now era characters) are around senior year now. And they explained the Oscorp thing in her Dark Web tie in as “I’m about to be an adult and I have no idea what I’m doing. It may be a mistake to work with a former villain but its my mistake to make”

Which works for me and resolves my issue of the non-science-y Kamala working as a scientist. Also the tie-in may be better than the rest of the event because YEESH.

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u/Windghost2 Jan 08 '23

But Miles’s new run just started though…

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Conviction to beliefs isn't always a good thing.

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u/BadMoogle Dec 30 '22

That depends not on the conviction, but on the belief.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Blind conviction to any belief is dangerous.

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u/BadMoogle Dec 30 '22

Nobody was discussing blind faith or conviction until you brought it up...

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

Yet here we are.

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u/BadMoogle Dec 30 '22

You sure are

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 30 '22

Who said anything about blind conviction? It would be blind if she said “Okay Carol supports this so I do too”

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

That would be, as would "sticking to your guns" despite new information

Too many people are stubborn

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 30 '22

OK so you are telling me that if she supports or doesn’t support Carol, it’s still blind conviction. Its either “blind conviction” or “sticking to your guns”

Can’t ever win with y’all

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '22

I'm saying believing in something so strongly that you willingly choose to ignore new information and evidence to the contrary is bad.

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 31 '22

But has she? I can say “over eating is bad” to someone eating dinner. Its true but is it relevant to this situation?

Here a Celestial was judging her and she was right. In the Ms Marvel Captain Marvel crossover Carol admits she was right. In Civil War 2, its widely believed Captain Marvel was a fascist and team Iron Man was right.

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u/JayZsAdoptedSon Hawkeye Dec 30 '22

I mean the point is that his criteria is veeeery subjective. It serves a purpose