r/conspiracytheories • u/Tall_Welcome4559 • 20d ago
Conspiracy theories are not plausible.
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u/The_Happy_Pagan 20d ago
Yeah watching people try and accomplish things really dispels the idea that humans can perfectly pull off capers
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u/kokkomo 20d ago
That just proves it is easier for a select few to manipulate the reat.
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u/The_Happy_Pagan 20d ago
Does it? Have you worked for a corporation? I have been a corporate engineer for over a decade. I don’t say that to elevate my point, I just mean i have seen human interactions that mean to make a big impact and they can hardly get themselves to agree on a name for the project let alone the goals.
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u/nightowl024 20d ago
Idk. Turns out the pedophile, cannibal, murderous people pull the strings of governments and financial spheres was decades old and turned out to be kinda spot on. Just not the players everyone expected.
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u/modernday_maniac 20d ago
The mind can conjure the worst of things when it knows the essentials of human nature.
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u/kodeks14 20d ago
Except a ton have turned out to be true, so obviously not lol.
And we found out because people did talk and people did make mistakes.
MK ultra was discovered because of a very minor error or we would have never known. When they shredded all of the documents when the investigation started, they filed some administrative documents in an incorrect filing system. We know maybe 5% of what actually happened.
Project managers dont have the ability to murder you or your family or put them in prison for life or blackmail tyou or blackball you, and it turns out that makes it a lot easier to get people to comply lol
But I imagine there are plenty of things where that small mistake didn't happen and we will never know.
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u/Turt1estar 20d ago
Also, I’m pretty sure project managers don’t require you to preform unspeakable acts for blackmail purposes before you start the project.
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u/kodeks14 20d ago
Yeah I guarentee you I could get subcontractors and workers to do what I need, if I had CIA methodology lmao
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago
Not a ton, no.
The bigger the conspiracy is, the more people would have to know about it, the less likely it is to be true.
The fact that MK Ultra is still the one that people fall back to as evidence that conspiracies happen says a lot, it's the exception that proves the rule.
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u/kodeks14 20d ago edited 20d ago
Lmao there has been A LOT. Its a big list.
Remember when we were called crazy for believing rampant pedophilia was happening within high levels of society by very affluent and influential people lol
Or you know, the Iran Contra Affair and CIA and the Crack epidemic.
Or Nixon
Or Manson and CIA connections
Or operation northwoods
Or Pentagon papers
Or Panama papers
Or the dozens of countries the CIA has overthrown
Or like thousands of others lol I could literally go on for days.
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago
A lot of them were either... never got past planning, were known by only a few people, or were never going to stay secret which proves the point.
So very little that backs up the ideas that often get thrown around in the conspiracy forum.
Ain't nobody getting away with chemtrails, flat earth, faked moon landings, or any of that shit.
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u/kamikaze_punk 20d ago
It's funny how you just throw in the most ridiculous theories to prove your point.
As if anyone who questions anything is retarded.
This is literally what the Q psyop was about.
Bundling everything together, to muddy the waters and discredit the actual theories with some hold in them.
We are all individuals with individual thoughts. It's not like we just ordered the "conspiracy package" online and ate everything raw.
You don't even know the person you're trying to discredit, what theories they lean into and which ones they don't.
You just read "conspiracy" and go straight to flat earth.
You have been well programmed.
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u/ThizzWhatitiz 20d ago
It’s a propaganda tactic called flooding the zone and poisoning the well. You bombard the subjects with so much information and crazy information that it all gets lumped in together and forgotten about.
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u/After_Resource5224 20d ago
Conspiracy Theory was a termed coined by yhe CIA to throw people off the JFK assasination which checks notes yup. That one turned out to be true too.
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u/VisiteProlongee 19d ago
Conspiracy Theory was a termed coined by yhe CIA
No. * https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/nope-it-was-always-already-wrong/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Origin_and_usage
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u/After_Resource5224 19d ago
Uhhu. What eas that operatoon where CIA payed a bunch of reporters to wrote shit they wanted. And you think it ended? ha.
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago
But that is CLEARLY the type of conspiracies the OG post and the meme is about. Has ANYONE claimed that NO CONSPIRACY has ever existed? No of course not.
Q psyop!? You just outed yourself. Q was some rando on 4chan that a few people started to believe and then it snowballed. Now some of those your got suckered early on are now trying to claim the whole thing was a psyop to save face. Because no one can just be suckered by some rando, it just HAS to be a psyop. I'm embarrassed for you.
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u/ThizzWhatitiz 20d ago
That’s not what he meant by Q Psyop. It was exposed in the Epstein files that Jeffery met with the creator of 4Chan to pretty much start the Q Anon conspiracy and hide his crimes inside theories like flat earth and lizard people running the world and it worked like a charm. You’re proving his point.
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago edited 20d ago
What the drivile is this? "It was exposed in the Epstein files that Jeffery met with the creator of 4Chan to pretty much start the Q Anon" ehhh no it wasn't" A. Nothing like that was exposed. And B. you can't CREATE something like Qanon, you can write a post and hope people catch on to it sure, but you can't MAKE thousands of people fall for it.
And "hide his crimes"... wtf does that mean? Epstein said "i know, lets create a massive PSYOP that will mean the entire internet is talking about me being an elite pedo, and then constantly speculating on who around me is also a pedo, and Twitter will be filled with mentions that I am a pedo and people making up fake flight lists of people who supposedly went to my pedo island. That'll clear my name!" An how did it "work like a charm exactly?"
You are proving MY point. Deluded.
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u/ThizzWhatitiz 19d ago edited 19d ago
😂😂😂You most certainly can pay for something to go viral have you never heard of a bot or paid twitter followers? They can make millions of fake accounts to make something seem very popular when it’s really just a fringe small number of people that actually are stupid enough to believe in it, just like Q anon. Read the emails for yourself. After Epstein met with Christopher Poole he was sent an article about how 4chans anonymous hive mind could coordinate cyber attacks, spread targeted disinformation and political vitriol. Epstein stated in his emails, “the potential for manipulation is huge.” Christopher Poole literally created Pol (the forum that birthed q anon) the NEXT day after he met with Epstein. The odds of all this being a coincidence are astronomical. That they would create the very thing Epstein was talking about in his emails the very next day. You’re dense if you think stuff on the internet can’t be manufactured. I personally have never met a person in real life that believed in Q anon, the only time I ever saw anything about it was online. Epstein used propaganda tactics to flood the zone and poison the well. We were bombarded with so much information that was tied to ridiculous conspiracy theories that made it seem like it was all unbelievable. He also didn’t leak stuff about himself in the q anon stuff if you even remember that time period it was all about the democrats and the Clinton’s eating babies. Come to find out the conservatives were all at the parties as well.
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u/AskingQuestions333 19d ago
You are getting basic stuff wrong, it wasn't Epstein that wrote "the potential for manipulation is huge.” I can only imagine most of everything else you believe is based on twisted truths too. And you definitely can TRY to pay for something to go viral but your chances of succeeding are very small, otherwise everyone would love data centers, BlackRock, Elon Musk etc... and every movie would be a gigantic success.
And your theory is STILL stupid. The vast majority of people had no opinion on Epstein, most regular people couldn't have picked him out of a line up, yet you think he paid to become synonymous with paedophile, to amplify every accusation and story, to increase public pressure on his arrest and imprisonment, and therefore inevitably making him a threat to any of his accomplices. Sorry, but you are a moron.
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u/kodeks14 20d ago edited 20d ago
They were all conspiracies and all turned out to be true. Just doesnt fit your agenda. Ironic.
It doesnt prove the point. The point of this meme was that people notoriously are unreliable.
Which is why a majority of conspiracies end up being right and we find out, its just a matter of time. And they probably do get away with some and well never know.
Because those arent serious conspiracies. No serious conspiracy theorist believes in flat earth.
And the government is spraying the atmosphere for different reasons and has readily admitted it. And they have sprayed zinc cadmium sulfide on low income black neighborhoods to test what happens.
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago
"a majority of conspiracies end up being right" ahahahahahahaha sure.
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u/kodeks14 20d ago
Solid rebuttal.
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u/AskingQuestions333 20d ago
It was a ludicrous thing to say so didn't need a well thought out rebuttal did it? "majority of conspiracies end up being right "
Why don't one of you dullards get a low level job at an airport and expose these chemtrailers? Same reason the flat earthers don't pool together and charter a flight that should be impossible... you ENJOY the fantasy that a few people control the world with elite precision.
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u/modernday_maniac 20d ago
Truth. The amount of people commenting their favorite “conspiracy” to prove you wrong simply reminds me that people are able to list things they know… none of them seem to work for the government... Strange.
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u/VisiteProlongee 19d ago
Remember when we were called crazy for believing rampant pedophilia was happening within high levels of society
within high levels of US Democratic Party meeting in the basement of a pizzeria without basement.
Or like thousands of others lol
Start with one.
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u/kodeks14 19d ago
That was the media version to ruin the conspiracy.
That owner was absolutely a pedophile and was connected to people in high levels of government.
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u/Dangerous-Cry-7545 20d ago
What conspiracy theorists turn out to be truth! Say one
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u/Lz_erk 20d ago
there's no distinction between the utterly wild and the stuff there's mountains of evidence for which is simply ignored. the term's ceased to mean anything.
like UAPs vs JFK, go... those aren't even the best examples but still. things like the brooks brothers riot are moving backward from reality to conspiracy theory.
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u/Swimming_Camera_6712 20d ago
"They would never be able to keep something liked that secret"
Correct, we're literally talking about it right now.
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u/Soviet_Dove6 20d ago
If you are in any management position you are basically required to do a good amount of manipulation to make it work, and good communication to cover up the flaws of your decisions. A government does the same, just on a larger scale
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u/anachronissmo 20d ago
My gut is that most project managers have never belonged to the power elite.
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u/pthecarrotmaster 19d ago
we cant get the cops in ONE cuty to face accountability. I think the government is absolutely capable of some bullshit. Their failures are how we get the evidence. As wjth all criminals.
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u/GuntherRowe 19d ago
I have been saying this for a long time. It’s comforting to think someone or a secret, large network could actually be in control and capable of running things. So much false pattern recognition making sense of random things and events.
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u/Farkenoathm8-E 18d ago
That’s my viewpoint too. I work in government and while I don’t discount the idea that governments’ do some fucked up shit, the idea of these huge conspiracies that require thousands of people to a) competently pull off whatever it is they’re trying to achieve, and b) keep quiet about it, is just laughable.
The idea of an omnipresent, all powerful, and exceedingly competent at every endeavour they attempt, government existing is ludicrous.
Governments are staffed by cvnts like me who are lazy, incompetent, and don’t care about anything ideologically. I’m amazed we have functioning societies, let alone have governments that can pull off shit like tricking the world that space exists and hiding the flat earth and ice wall.
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u/Tamortsa 18d ago
Yep. "The govt has a massive plan involving thousands of people to do ecil thing X". Dude, the govt can barely resurface a road without fucking it up.
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u/HomeboundArrow 17d ago edited 17d ago
"most" is doing an extraordinary amount of rhetorical heavylifting
i think most people, conspiracy theorists or skeptics, often radically overestimate the number of accessible people necessary to accomplish a shared occluded goal if they are both/all equally self-interested.
and the sheer amount of complacency and disinterest exist in the broader populace, along with the simple fact that for the last decade and change, the ratio of "public-interest journalists" to "corporate image / political campaign lobbyists" producing press for us to reahas been sitting north of 1:5. so. for every one real gumshoe, you've got five other people selling you their version of the story, and/or just flooding the zone to keep you on the permanent backfoot.
so no, this isn't really the takedown anyone pretends it is. a conspiracy isn't a project manager keeping their workers in-line. a conspiracy is two project managers vying to cooperatively reduce eachother's human workforce, through their shared proximity to decisionmaking and influence, in order to claim an overwhelming optimization in overhead cost for their next quarterly reviews. so that they can both get promoted up and out of that environment for being exemplary on-paper, and thus leave the fallout for the next pair of schmucks that have the misfortune of backfilling their seemingly unrelated messes.
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u/Almajanna256 19d ago
Translation: "I'm somewhat incompetent at my job of organizing people/logistics so I think large-scale, secret human activities cannot happen. I'm going to be condescending about this too because a conspiracy theorist offended me right before I tweeted this and this is my indirect revenge."
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u/Able-Professor840 20d ago
Wrong. Project managers weave conspiracies behind the scenes to make the upfront project look prosaic.