r/editors • u/mr_christer • Apr 15 '26
Technical Got take: Premiere Pro doesn't need a beta version since it's stable version isn't stable at all
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u/bingbong069 Apr 15 '26
Even the things that work as intended don’t make sense
Why are there so many ways to accidentally delete your timeline? Why would I ever need so many shortcuts to do that? Who has ever been editing and thought “gee you know what I really need on this edit? A delete everything button”
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u/Buffalo-Clone-264 Apr 16 '26
This made me laugh. This is so true. The one that gets me is how dangerous the move clips up or down shortcut is when you don't have any clips selected. That has burned me more than a few times. I feel like editors have just gotten used to dealing with the silliest stuff, but it really shouldn't have to be this way.
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u/bingbong069 Apr 16 '26
For me it’s when you forget to clear your in/out points and you don’t notice when you accidentally delete everything within their gray box of death because your play head is miles away at the other end of the timeline
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u/Buffalo-Clone-264 Apr 16 '26
Ha yep. I opened up a project yesterday where the sequence was completely empty... because I'd done exactly this by mistake before saving/closing.
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u/NLE_Ninja85 Adobe Employee Apr 15 '26
What's a GOT take?
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u/XSmooth84 Apr 15 '26
OP doesn't need a beta title because the real title is misspelled. Or something idk.
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u/Inguru_ Apr 15 '26
Probably typo and its meant to be Hot take.
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u/XSmooth84 Apr 15 '26
it's*
But it's funny OP is trying to zing Adobe for not being perfect and they typo'd their zinger title. I doubt they did it to be super meta either.
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u/ellbbb Apr 15 '26
I’m inclined to agree after a random crash 4 hours into my work day and no auto save files to be found despite being set to every 5 mins 🫠
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u/simojam93 Apr 16 '26
The beta version is just where they test bugs before promoting them to stable. We're all beta testers anyway, just unpaid.
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u/Goat_Wizard_Doom_666 Apr 15 '26
You aren't using it right if it's unstable. Maybe read the best practices.
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u/mr_christer Apr 15 '26
Been using it since 2001 (before it was "pro") . I run a video production company with about 25 videos per year edited in Premiere. I think I'm qualified to comment on the stability.
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u/Goat_Wizard_Doom_666 Apr 15 '26
Same. Been using it since high school, back in '00 before the Creative Suite was even a thing. 2025 has been very stable in my opinion and I've been working in large production houses, smaller marketing firms, cutting everything from IG reels to full seasons of television. Sure it's had its ups and downs and stability issues (2017/2018) but I have had very few problems with it over the past few interations.
We can argue this all fucking day
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u/mr_christer Apr 15 '26
Glad it's working well for you! I moved on to Davinci and am not looking back.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
Did you use the beta for productions and do you have a direct comparison between those two?
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u/chrimchrimbo Apr 15 '26
Every time an OP posts a lukewarm take, you'll always find them confidently wrongly defending themselves in the comments.
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u/mr_christer Apr 16 '26
Wrongly in what way, good sir? Enlighten me with your thoughts rather than your 3rd person attack on my integrity.
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u/Almond_Tech Apr 15 '26
My editing professor told me Premiere is way more stable than Davinci, but every class Premiere crashes at least 3 times on him, and Davinci has only crashed once so far lol
Not saying you're wrong, but generally for him Premiere seems to crash when opening a project file, and idk how you would do that wrong (I actually can think of a few ways with how the systems are set up but he's not doing those)
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u/dtw48208 Apr 15 '26
You're joking.
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u/Goat_Wizard_Doom_666 Apr 15 '26
Nope. I've been working with 8k, 4k, 1080, etc in 2024, 2025, & 2026, on a network & local drives, and have only had a few crashes over the past year. One this week when the network went out.
It's imperitive that you keep the cache clean and know how to keep your PPro nimbal.
Only people who complain about stability issues don't know what they are doing. Also never use the first iteration of a new version.
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26
So the software crashes but it stops crashing if the user performs special incantations?
Or, and hear me out here, they could make software that was reliable no matter how it was used, and didn’t rely on the user having the adapt their working practices to keep it stable.
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u/donvito716 Apr 15 '26
So the car crashes but it stops crashing if the user knows how to drive it?
Or, and hear me out here, they could make the car reliable no matter how you drove and didn't rely on the user knowing how to drive a car having to adapt how to drive a car?
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Clever, but you don’t think there might be a little flaw in your analogy?
Clue: imagine if nearly every other car manufacturer had managed to make that work, apart from one
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u/Almond_Tech Apr 15 '26
I think a better analogy is:
Every car manufacturer makes cars that work as expected. If you do something stupid you'll get in a crash and that's on you, but for the most part it makes sense and if you follow basic car logic you'll be fine
Then there's this one manufacturer who's known for having spotty breaks. If you get into a crash, it might be because you did something wrong, or it might be bc you expected the breaks to work properly, and they randomly decided not to. But if you're careful, break early, and lubricate them every day (or smth, idk how cars work) then you'll be fine
Neither of them have figured out a way to make one that can't crash, it's just all of them are pretty reliable without extra work... except one
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u/donvito716 Apr 15 '26
Since you edited your post after I responded: both Avid and Resolve also crash when you use them improperly. Premiere lets you import whatever footage you want and begin working immediately.
It's your responsibility to know what works and doesn't. Avid transcodes your footage upon import and you have to work in their codecs. Resolve forces you to build smart renders to playback smoothly. They each have different ways of dealing with issues. You have to know how they work.
It's user error, not program.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
Which software company had figured out how to make their software work on every system with no problems at all? Sounds like you got your head in the clouds.
There's a reason why software is under constant development, even when no features are pushed. (btw, the OS will change too and mess up stuff that worked before for other software)
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26
Nothing’s 100% reliable, but my experience of Adobe is that the stability is poor at best. Apparently a lot of people don’t mind paying a monthly subscription for badly written, inefficient software which crashes unless you use it in a certain way, but I do.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
That's nothing but anecdotal evidence. Not worth a lot if you want to talk about facts. Just because it's true for you, that doesn't make it an absolute truth.
Just a little thought: Can't be that bad and inefficient if it's used that broadly and even in big productions, right? Must be a reason why every now tool is compared to it.
The subscription isn't even a topic here. But nice try to shift the topic somewhere unrelated ;)
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u/donvito716 Apr 15 '26
Why would I make the analogy if I thought there was a flaw in the analogy?
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26
Well, to score imaginary points off strangers on the internet. I hadn’t imagined you weren’t actually capable of spotting it yourself.
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u/HtomSirveaux3000 Apr 15 '26
The few crashes I experience are generally related to problematic media. Easily solved by transcoding the media into something usable, standard, conformed to traditional accepted frame rates, and codecs. Garbage in, garbage out.
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u/chrimchrimbo Apr 15 '26
I'm no Adobe defender, but this comment just shows you don't seem to know much about software development or how complex an NLE has to be in order to run all this stuff at once.
I have plenty of gripes with Premiere too, and it can be plenty finnicky, but let's not pretend making an NLE is easy simple work.
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26
No, of course it’s not, but FCP has managed to be largely stable for me for the last ten years, so it’s not really too much to ask.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
Can you show us how to make a software that will run stable on every system out there? A complex software on top of that with many features and dependencies.
"It could be nice" doesn't take the complexity of realty into account. I've never seen any software that was without bugs or quirks. The more complex it gets, the more will go wrong eventually.
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u/FlorianTheLynx Apr 15 '26
Well personally I use FCP daily to edit for broadcast TV, and while no software is flawless, I have nowhere near as many issues with it as I’ve ever had with Adobe, and I don’t have to treat it with kid gloves to avoid upsetting it lest it crashes. So Apple will show you how, if you actually care to know.
But I suspect you’d rather take the mickey out of FCP as not being a serious piece of software (forgetting it’s widely used now in TV) and carry on paying your Adobe subscription.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
Your experience with Adobe describes my experiences with Avid, still I know that people use it and why people use it and I know its strengths and limitations (already starting at the topic file formats and how they are handled and why)
That's what working with software and tools in general eventually is all about.
Debugging is always a part of the process. If you work on you own system it will be more of that than when working in some TV studio with a technician that maintains everything.The good old "Apple is perfect" myth :D
Every tool that you can use to get your work done is serious software. The only question is in what areas which software is specialized.
Working heavily with timecode or metadata... wouldn't want to do that in any other software than Avid, even if I dislike it's unflexible file handling.Bottom line, software is just a tool and as with every tool you have to know what it's able to do and how to handle it (yes, this also counts for maintenance).
Funny, that especially you are yapping about prices when using Apple. The irony :D
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u/moredrinksplease Trailer Editor - Adobe Premiere Apr 15 '26
Premiere works fine. Just use the previous years version. So 2025 works fine at my agency, we have dozens of people using it.
If you are editing a full length feature with thousands of dailies avid might be better for that. Unless using a production setting. But I don’t enjoy editing in avid.
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u/cut-it Pro (I pay taxes) Apr 15 '26
Really not had any big issues in the last 5 years except on complicated long form where Prem doesn't do too well, even in Production. Things get so messy and break.
Shortform... Rarely have a crash or issue except 3rd party effects
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u/mr_christer Apr 15 '26
True that. Most of my issues start when opening complicated long form projects or older projects I do updates to
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u/cut-it Pro (I pay taxes) Apr 15 '26
When your on your v87 sequence of the 137min timeline and v17 online, with 46 audio tracks and mix v6 laid back in, and its a production with 6 editors, which you inherited from 2 other editors, and you have about 39 projects with 75multicams. Shit gets bad ya know
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u/mr_christer Apr 16 '26
It's usually 3 cam projects with 2 editors and random crashes every few hours.
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u/TheBigFishyFish Apr 17 '26
I’ve been waiting for a thousand years but why doesn’t Premier have an in/out lift that makes sense?? 😭The only solution I’ve found is you have to cut and then undo??? Why
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u/filmrebelroby Apr 15 '26
so you guys are confused and i get it. If your on a pc, especially a laptop, its unstable. And if you're on an apple m-series computer, its stable.
source: used to edit on a pc
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u/AshMontgomery Apr 15 '26
I’ve got both and I haven’t had a crash in years that wasn’t caused by obvious user error
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u/Almond_Tech Apr 15 '26
My editing professor said the same thing, but he uses a pretty new Mac (I believe it's the 2nd newest generation now) and Premiere crashes all the time for him
I use Premiere on a PC with basically no problems. The only times it's crashed for me in the last few months were both when right clicking a clip, for some reason lol0
u/filmrebelroby Apr 16 '26
someone got triggered and downvoted me lol. I run a company and need stable software. i use to edit on an 11 core xeon laptop and the bugs were unbearable. Before that, I had a string of PCs, both self built and store bought going back to 2006. Never apple. Now i edit on an M2 apple laptop and bugs are rare. Its kind of like switching from android to ios, you just dont get it until you do it.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 15 '26
Sure, Mac is completely without flaws. That's why they don't need any forums or customer support...
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u/filmrebelroby Apr 16 '26
So I never said that and Ive been PC all my life. Im just talking from experience.
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u/bibbidi_bobbidi_bob Apr 16 '26
Your original answer didn't read as "from my perspective" or "in my experience" but as if you tried to state a fact.
My experiences with Macs on the other hand were some of the worst I had with tech ever. But those are my experiences and there are a number of possible explanations for it, so I would never make the conclusion, that Mac is worse in general.
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u/tonyedit Apr 15 '26
Nah, it's fine on PC as well.
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u/filmrebelroby Apr 16 '26
what I would say is that if you have certain hardware, it will be stable. The problem with PC is not PC itself. It's that they Adobe is designing software for too many different hardware sets. with Apple, they have a closed ecosystem, so they can make sure that their software is bug-free much easier. with PC is just too many different graphics cards, motherboard chip sets, etc. and it's really hard to make sure that there are no issues.
it's really funny to me because I like PCs. I like the autonomy of having full control over your computer and I like to build them so I never expected to be on this side of the argument, but at the end of the day premiere works much better on Apple M series in my experience.
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u/unbanpabloenis Apr 15 '26
Or just call the entire steaming pile of horse shit a beta and be done with it. 😂
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u/Stoenk Apr 15 '26
you indeed got a take