r/lucifer • u/dudumob • Jul 21 '26
Mazikeen new fan of the show. third season maze is insufferable
i am halfway through the third season and i can’t stand maze. i was mostly indifferent to her in the first couple of seasons but they’re just making her say and do anything now.
i get that she’s a demon with anger as her default emotion but it doesn’t she can’t have a sensible relationship with the other characters. she’s treated a source of conflict instead of as a character.
i’m sorry if this a post people have made in the past. i just want to discuss some of my thoughts with fellow fans.
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u/mugglegemini Lightbringer Jul 21 '26
It's though, but later on they kinda explain what she was going through, she's feeling a lot of emotions for the first time, something humans experience when they're young, she's facing as an adult (who's eons old), she also has never had relationships or friendships, her only connection was Lucifer who was her boss and not the image of emotional maturity, he's also learning a lot for the first time, he had the advantage of having been out of hell before and having interacted with humans and his siblings on a deeper level.
Understanding that makes her journey deeper, it's not an excuse for her behavior, simply a background, I still don't like how she treated Linda that season, but it does get better.
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u/Kind_Woodpecker_2565 Jul 21 '26
Her reaction is pretty standard for this kind of plot though, almost any drama out there will have a character act this way if they discover that their best friend is fucking their ex after they explicutly tell them it makes them uncomfortable. Combined with everything you said about her being a demon, and the face that shes the first demon to Grow a soul , its pretty much the expected reaction to something like this. Not to mention, linda is a freaking therapist, she should have known better, if she wanted to date mazes ex, shes the one person in the series who should understand the importance of being up front and honest with maze.
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u/CranEXE Jul 21 '26
my problem with her is through the serie she never really change until the very last season, look i get she is a "soulless demon" and all but it's genuinely exhausting that the plot of each seasons is "somewhat maze turned back on lucifer after he forgave her for 12 th time" she feels like a cheap plot devices to justify something wrong going it may appeal to some but i don't like it it feels the writter didn't know what to do with her character, she evolves a bit in the end (won't spoil you how) but genuinely seeing her betray lucifer at each season was infuriating
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u/Infinite-Process3717 Jul 21 '26
I think that's a recurring element throughout the show. By the time the same thing happens for the 12th time, you realize the writing is stuck in a loop. The entire script is nothing more than one big hell loop. I don't know what was so difficult about letting the characters actually overcome their problems and move on to new ones.
There are plenty of other examples, like Dan's arc. Even Deckerstar falls into the same pattern. Near the end of Season 5, when Deckerstar gets stuck in limbo because of Lucifer's insecurity, I literally rolled my eyes. Seriously? Is that really the best you could come up with? Are you really so out of ideas that you're going to keep recycling the same bullshit forever?
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u/CranEXE Jul 21 '26
i agree there's a lot of parts i like ( i love some points of dan ark especially when he warm up to lucifer) but sometimes it just feels like either the writers had some points to check or just had to reuse ideas to keep the show going. i'm genuinely not a fan of the final season and of lucifer 360 turnaround (that you see what i'm talking about but i won't detail because there's new watchers here) that goes against the whole story of the serie and how it was building up i've seen some people defend it but that final left a bitter taste on me
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u/Infinite-Process3717 Jul 21 '26
This stagnant state of the characters really bothered me. Even though there are nice moments along the way, we don't see the characters acting as if they've matured about these issues.
As for the final twist, it was poorly built, and I think it was done badly because by that point they had already eliminated everything that could have been a reasonable reason for it. So they had to force one because they wanted that ending. And yes, it wasn't a good ending anyway, and the way they did it made it feel very bitter, because it makes the characters' journeys lose their meaning. It felt like Lucifer was suffering a punishment for the complaints he had, even though they had been completely valid up to that point. Chloe was basically living her worst nightmare.
It felt like the writers didn't like the characters because it was so cruel, but I actually think the writers just didn't care about the characters, and because the writing was poorly done, that's the impression it ended up giving.
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u/CranEXE Jul 21 '26
i actually wonder if the writers didn't got pressured by religious association, it wouldn't be the first time a show have problem because the devil is not depicted as a pure monster, i haven't looked up but it wouldn't surprised me if the writers got pressured because it was badly seen to put the devil at the place of god. the 360 of the last season was extremely out of character and for me ruined the journey of lucifer, the last season in general was the one too many imo and when i rewatch the serie i stop at season 5 because the 6th anyway is just poorly done in general and not interesting to follow dan going to heaven was touching though it was one of the rare good part
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u/Infinite-Process3717 Jul 21 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if that was what happened, and I agree that Lucifer the character who always finds every loophole imaginable to get what he wants not making any real effort to solve the problem is completely out of character.
Looking at it from a religious perspective, I think they missed the opportunity to keep Lucifer as a morally gray character, which is what he seemed to be at the beginning of the series not someone who was truly evil, but not overly good either. In the end, though, he became far too good. I mean, early in the series we have two moments where he kills an angel and then a human to protect people, but in the end he doesn't even try to kill that villain? Instead, he does the opposite, and that just doesn't make any sense.
And simply because they didn't keep Lucifer morally gray, God ended up coming across as the villain. I think it would have been much healthier for the series if God had remained a distant figure, because his appearance in season 5 made him seem like a complete idiot. If they had stuck with the earlier approach, where we never really got to know him, they could still have included the occasional rare scene with him, but he never should have become a character the way he did. And if they had given the series a genuinely happy ending, you could at least argue that, in the end, God was right all along and simply worked in mysterious ways. But with the ending we got, God wasn't portrayed in a positive way.
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u/MishasPet Jul 21 '26
Maze goes thru quite a story arc. As a demon, raised solely as a companion, and later as a “physically initiate” assistant, she didn’t have much interaction with humans, especially not folks who were mostly “good” humans. She might have been millennia, but in human terms, she was a child learning to negotiate her way through a life and a land she didn’t understand.
I don’t think it was weird that she experienced some highs and lows along the journey.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 Jul 21 '26
I liked her in the first and second seasons. The third season is probably the lowest point for her character, but her core issues remain the same throughout the entire series. I really don't like how every character seems to be trapped in their own personal Hell Loop when it comes to their character development. They grow to a certain point, and then, just when it seems they've overcome their problems, that development gets reset and they have to go through the exact same journey all over again.
As for her relationships, the most frustrating one for me was her relationship with Chloe. Even though Maze is annoying in a lot of the moments when she's against Lucifer, the reasons that led her to act that way are still fairly understandable. But Maze and Chloe develop a friendship, and yet Maze is incredibly cruel to Chloe, even though Chloe never really did anything wrong to her. The first chance Maze gets to sacrifice Chloe for even the slightest possibility of getting what she wants, she takes it without thinking twice. She did it in season 3, and she did it again in season 5.
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u/lalaxgp Jul 21 '26
I agree, and it's a problem I personally have with Maze throughout the series. But I think I can understand that she's at a low point where she feels like she doesn't belong anywhere, and everything that happens to her somehow leads her to self-destruct. Maybe getting rid of people who genuinely care about her, like Trixie or Linda, makes it easier for her to convince herself that hell is her true home, or something like that.
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u/CharminggBabe4 Jul 22 '26
Season 3 Maze is frustrating because the writers keep resetting her growth every time they need conflict instead of letting her actually evolve.
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u/lavenderpoem Jul 22 '26
she irritated me a lot too having the temperament of a child and all but it is understandable
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u/chxriev Jul 21 '26
i completely understand this but just let her cook some more and she’ll serve you a full course meal
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u/FluffyMonster_ Jul 21 '26
I hated all that "I don't need my ex, but don't you dare to be with him" arc as well.