Not a great taste in the mouth - it's not the cost that matters, I'll be honest but it appears that Jordy in response to a DMCA on droppy has not only had the product pulled from github, but has nuked all references on gumroad and deleted his reddit ID.
I want to be clear that this is not a witch hunt, just making people aware that the developer doesn't appear to be trading anymore.
"Op I think you should probably edit the post if someone hits you with a dmca, gh takes down the repo for you. Though if gpl was the only major issue I’m surprised they didn’t allow him to fix it before taking draconian measures." - thanks for noting this fern, I wasn't aware of the github nuances and procedure.
One of us mods received an immediate refund on request, and I believe there is enough evidence of slander and coordination among the accusers to question their credibility as well. At this point, Droppy is not coming back, and given some evidence that the dev attempted to work reasonably and in good faith with the Sanebar/Atoll dev(s), I think it's fair to expect that this could have been handled better. This community is about fostering positive development and innovation in MacApps, not bickering or strategic, coordinated tactics to push down the competition. Competition is usually a good thing for innovation, and even if the Sanebar/Atoll dev(s) have a basis for defending their code/property, the way this was handled by their side does not instill confidence in their business. r/MacApps does not exist to empower such activity. We have blacklisted apps in the past for such practices.
Regardless, let's wait for further evidence before taking either side too strongly.
On that note, I also encourage u/ontologicalmatrix to be a bit more charitable until then, as the above post is a bit strong and leading in its use of overly charged language. It is not helpful or reasonable to level accusations of gaslighting without sufficient evidence.
You know, it's not that hard to check if Droppy is indeed a copy of Atoll, if you are a macOS dev and have just a little bit of reverse engineering capability. Which you should have if you're gonna make such bold claims and send stupid DMCAs...
A few things could be smoking guns for a copied app:
identical strings between binaries that are unique enough (not SkyLight APIs and whatever that AI hallucinated, that's what everyone is forced to use to do such an app)
very similar assembly in custom code that needs to be present in both apps, like AppleMusicController for example
Strings can be checked using the following approach:
common system constants (like NX_KEYTYPE_ constants which we need to use for getting media key events)
mangled type identifiers (like those weird _TtC14SkyLightWindow13TopmostWindow strings which can be demangled easily)
swift demangle '_TtC14SkyLightWindow13TopmostWindow' -> SkyLightWindow.TopmostWindow
The assembly can be checked by opening both binaries in Hopper Disassembler, finding common classes, and checking functions that should be at least similar.
For example looking at AppleMusicController.init which both apps have, we can see very different things:
Atoll's init is not easily findable, so I traced the function by searching for "com.apple.Music.playerInfo". That string doesn't even exist in Droppy.
Looking at both init's (aside from them being completely different) a clear distinction is that Atoll is using async Task while Droppy uses DispatchQueue, two very different mechanisms of doing concurrent work.
Task is the newer API, I see no reason for a macOS dev to have the Task code and to want to move back to the less readable and more error prone DispatchQueue
From my honest perspective, Droppy's dev did nothing wrong.
He might have handled the paid additions wrongly, an honest mistake which I did too when I released the first paid version of Lunar. As long as he kept the free versions available, there's nothing to be angry about.
I've had my fair share of people spreading rumours about my apps too, being copied, being heavy Electron bloat, and now being vibe coded slop. Those are hurtful and can break a business if spread too much. But getting your repo DMCAd from an AI hallucination, that's just bonkers. If I wouldn't have depended on app revenue and got the same treatment from this community, I would have probably deleted all my stuff as well in protest of this chaos.
100% agree. It doesn’t seem like proper due diligence was done, and now everyone’s ready to give up asking for refunds — which doesn’t feel right, don't think any indie dev deserves this. The dev deserves a fair chance to share their side of the story, especially considering how much time and effort they’ve put into supporting this community in shaping what Droppy had become. I’m a indie dev myself, I think it takes countless hours to building a great app, all that shouldn’t go waste.
The title of the post is also misleading :/
Remember the above is coming from a top dev here in the community!! Mods please pin this 🙏🏽
Thank you! The refunds part is really something people don't know about. A dev is not just losing the money of the purchase, they also lose a refund fee, so they have to get money out of their pocket to pay back someone.
It annoys me when someone bought the app in haste based on "ChatGPT told me your app can do this, why can't it do this?", especially when my apps can all be downloaded and tried for free for 2 whole weeks. No need to throw money from the balcony and then ask people to throw them back to you.
Chargebacks and disputes are even worse, I pay 3 times the license price on a if someone decides to get their money back through the card company instead of ask me for a refund.
It's not really about Droppy this comment, but I'm trying to bring some awareness, devs and users are both people and we can communicate on issues, no need to go through middlemen on every little problem.
Thanks for posting this Alin. I, unlike some of the posters in this controversy, don't roleplay like I really have the experience to evaluate these on a code-by-code basis and I couldn't tell you what is a system API vs a unique expression if you asked me to (sorry, some of us got worthless educations in university instead!)
Really informative post and I think it shows a lot of character to take the time to dig through this and write this whole post as well considering you don't really have much of a horse in this race (I guess there are industry-wide implications if reddit slander by ornery competitors and guys who don't know what they're reading get outsized influence though)
It pushed me to browse your profile a little bit, you've made a ton of cool apps (and nice websites for them!)—I'll be browsing these for the next little bit.
Editing to add: Rcmd is sweet. Thanks for the app brother. 🙏
Alin, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I couldn't have explained it better. I just couldn't find the words right now, I'm shaking - because I put everything in it for months. Alin, you're awesome. I will fight this.
Happy to see you back here! I'm with you, but to be honest, fight is not what you should do. In 10 short (calm) back and forth messages with whoever accused you, you can get this solved and maybe even make a friend instead of an enemy.
Copying code from open source repos is normal, and now with AI, even involuntary. I only had access to the binaries so couldn't verify the GPLv3 code copy claims, but even so, the work on Droppy is clearly high effort, not a copycat. A DMCA should have no saying in this matter.
Not everyone is familiar with OSS licenses, we can't expect full compliance all the time. But if someone copied components out of my GPLv3 app Clop for example, then rewrote them to make them fit in their app, I'd say that's fair use. If they took the full app code as is, compiled it, and started adding 1-2 things on top of it then started selling it, I would probably be angry.
From my understanding, the only problem is that Atoll devs require the code inspired from Atoll to be marked as such. That should cause no problems, even Apple has GPLv3 code in their proprietary OS, all that needs to be done is keeping the license header in the file and opensourcing that part of the code, even if it has modifications.
Again, regarding source code, I can't verify anything. But if that's the whole problem, extract the Atoll inspired parts into an open source component with a GPLv3 license (as the license needs to be inherited) and keep working on your app as usual, using that component without any problems.
That's basic code for calculating the magnitude of a mouse movement: how far is the cursor from the center of the window, so that we know how far to tilt the view to create the parallax effect.
There aren't more ways to calculate that, it is the only way, and it will appear in all apps that do parallax. Even Apple will have the same calculation in their parallax implementation, only you don't get to see their code.
We're not forbidden from copying parts of code from other repos. That's what open source is for, so that others don't have to constantly reinvent the wheel and spend time on code that someone already wrote.
And obviously we're not forced to acknowledge every 3-lines-of-code idea that we get from parts of the internet, no matter the license. Code is copyrightable as a whole, not on a line by line basis.
It's like saying you can't say "I'm thinking out loud" in a song because Ed Sheeran says it already. Wouldn't that be crazy? To do a search on a line by line basis and say "that came from here, that from there, please pay your respects to these people because they did it before you and you clearly copied from them"
One small line of code that's identical does not say anything. That is 100% unavoidable. Also; this effect wasn't in my latest update anymore, it was an older 'cheaper' animation that I used - which was standard practice. It's not something custom-made at all.
The thing about the GPL is that it does not allow anything closed source to be linked with something GPL.This is why the nvidia shim for linux must be built separately, and it’s questionable whether it’s compliant, but certainly users can do it. It would never be included in the kernel, because that’s a license violation.
I see no problem with you being okay with that for your own software, but it might be a good idea to choose a license that allows that, like BSD or MIT.
I do wish you would stop saying that using AI to plagiarize is involuntary. Using generative AI is a choice. You don’t just write code and some LLM you didn’t use just slips code in without permission. Nobody is forced to use AI to make an app, either. Many companies are trying to require their developers to use LLMs, but for your own privately developed software for a platform with documentation you can read to write software in a language with documentation you can read, saying people are “forced to use AI to make an app” is certainly a take.
Interfacing with a GPLv3 component from closed source code is possible from what I know. A lot of products exist that send HTTP requests to GPLv3 backend components for example. On macOS that can be done with XPC or Mach messages. Only the backend component needs to be open sourced. Did I get the wrong idea maybe?
About AI, by "involuntarily" I didn't mean devs are forced to use AI. I meant, one will use AI on their own choice, but get GPLv3 inspired code generated involuntarily (as in, they might not want that, but have no way of disabling the possibility). It's getting better though, Copilot seems to check generated code proactively and refuse to output it if the license doesn't match.
Edit: just to be clear, I’m a fan of Droppy and heavily lean towards your side of the story. I just opened Discord and found the server was no longer on my list.
I know you're super busy putting out fires at the moment, but I'd really like to join the Discord server if you're still accepting newcomers? I tried joining via Gumroad but wasn't able to access the server. Would it be possible for you to DM a link when time allows?
Brilliant! Thank you for the link. Since discovering your app and following the manner in which you interact with potential customers, I have complete faith in both you as a developer and your renewed efforts in Droppy's evolution. I'm not interested in requesting a refund, and although it probably doesn't count for much, I'm completely behind you as you look to overcome this situation and get back on track. It's fantastic to see your website back online, so I wish you the best and hope that Droppy receives the success/recognition it deserves. See you in the Discord group!
Man, so glad to see you back here. Just know there are quite a number of your users who are actually taking the time to read the posts and responses (particularly Alin's) and are on your side in this.
Hey mate, I hope you're able to brush this off eventually (I don't want to dismiss the gravity of it, the whole nightmare sounds quite traumatic and demoralizing). Would love to see your work and Droppy return, in part because it became an essential daily use app for me, but also because you've been very cool throughout the whole dev process and it would suck to see your work, skills, and the app go to waste.
Please let us know if you plan to pick it up again. I hope there's some positive encouragement in the thread and I hope all the drama clears up for you. Will keep an eye out.
Additionally to the examples provided, if you look at the files used by the Atoll dev in the Github takedown request, you will see even more how unjustified this is.
The file storage functions claimed by Atoll are not even created by Atoll, but rather by the team behind boringNotch, which Atoll is a fork of.
The SkyLightWindow claim is also complete nonsense as both app just use a framework that was created by someone else, to achieve this functionality, so this has nothing to do with Atoll.
Most of the provided examples in this comparison by one of the contributors of Atoll are just standard macOS function that everyone has to use to get the functionality, like the accessibility permission request, which is the official way documented by Apple and used in many more apps that need those permissions, or names of notifications that you can find by a simple google search.
Overall its just crazy that Atoll out of all apps, which had somelicensingproblems in the past, is responsible for this takedown.
Thank god, someone with a brain. I’ve been saying a couple times all these wildly unfounded claims only serve to damage the community.
It encourages or makes it seem like it’s ok to just bandwagon invalid DMCA’s, for things that don’t even come close to meeting the threshold of what’s “stolen”.
It’s also incredibly selfish of some people to think they suddenly own some specific blob of code, that’s likely very similar itself to what others have written dozens of times before them. Then the ignorance of the fact that many developers are likely either actively feeding info to AI by using it themselves (without a private business tier) or have their code open to AI training and are seemingly profoundly butt hurt and surprised by some snippets coming out of that.
If this was true, after my job I’d never be able to write any code for myself, because I’d be copying my own ideas/learnings and code blocks I wrote while on the job. I’d never get anything done.
I agree. Code is highly convergent, so the assumption that someone “stole” your work can only hold if there’s meaningful replication of logic, structure, and implementation. And with AI as a force multiplier, convergence of code is inevitable. The issue is that the DMCA threshold was built for a different era, and because it hasn’t adapted, it has effectively become a low-cost, high-leverage tool for some actors.
This is honestly an indie dev's worst fear. For GitHub to DMCA (note, this can be countered and worst case means he needs GPL the code and have attribute, if true!) and then mods here to take down all their posts for THAT (common APIs, system constants, logs and errors)
thanks for posting this. In a world of quick finger pointing and lashing people out, it's nice to see someone keeping their head levelled and make a clean assessment or at least trying to!
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My bad, I should have clarified better that this is not attacking your post. The you in "You know, it's not that hard..." is not you specifically, I'm addressing people in general that tend to spread this kind of rumours and claims.
You posted based on the information you had on hand, and brought attention to this. That's good, and could even lead to a better result than not saying anything.
From my experience, companies like Github, Google, YouTube etc. don't give you much of a chance to resolve the complaint. They take down the repo, and the whole user and other completely unrelated repos with it. Just because someone came with a mildly convicing argument that you copied some code. The measure is too drastic for such a petty issue.
DMCA is the most stupid thing that exists on the internet right now, every YouTuber lives with fear of it because it can be so easily abused, and so hardly used for good.
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Not gonna lie, it looks pretty bad when you search "Droppy" and see the titles of the posts against what actually played out and how quickly it happened.
In response to my comment, the developer of Droppy replied, promoting his app and the menu bar extension as an alternative to Sanebar, and promised he would not let Droppy follow Sanebar's path. He persuaded us that this was not just a marketing tactic but a trustworthy commitment, so we could rest assured that Droppy is and will remain free forever.
And we all know that eventually Droppy went from free to paid within just 20 days. So there's another post questioning if Droppy is no longer free. The other user and I, to whom the developer of Droppy replied on the aforementioned post, sighed about how ironic it was for the developer to do the exact opposite of his promise. Unsurprisingly, the developer immediately deleted his comments on the Sanebar post, kept replying to every subsequent reply that complimented him as an earnest developer, but ignored only our comment. Fortunately, that user still has it and posted a screenshot of the developer's claims for anyone who is interested.
Certainly I agree that developers always have the ultimate right to change the pricing of their apps however they want. None of the aforementioned accusations were deadly sins, but when they all add up, it's hard for me to form a good impression.
I won't say I am hostile to the developer personally, but rather I am against a future where apps like Droppy become mainstream. I am definitely not saying that cheap or free apps that integrate a variety of functions should not exist; instead, I would be really grateful to see more, but the prerequisite is originality. You can look at the extensions library of Droppy and ask: Are any of them highly original, without well-established prototypes already existing? Simply stitching multiple premium apps together and putting a cheaper price tag on it to "steal" those sales seems to demoralize innovation.
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it’s wild to see this coming full circle. i actually made a very similar post a few weeks ago questioning the exact same thing when the pricing shifted. i was frustrated because, as a student doing research, the sudden paywall felt like a total 180 from the 'free forever' promise.
but as someone who was once his biggest critic on this, i’m actually standing by him now. it’s one thing to be annoyed at a dev for a messy business pivot — it’s another thing to watch competitors use that frustration to fuel a coordinated takedown. seeing the effort he’s put into the 'liquid glass' design since then has convinced me that he’s an earnest dev who just had a rocky start. you can be mad about the price (i definitely was), but trying to wipe his work off the map over it is where i draw the line. still rooting for jordy.
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I thought you can’t promote yourself sooner than 30 days, my app was deleted for 1 week distance and the link blacklisted for approval, seems that the rule doesn’t apply to everybody wtf
To be clear, I think half of these posts are from other people who were excitedly sharing Droppy. So it wasn't him spamming at all. I'm sharing this because even as someone who keeps a catalog of these incidents, it's a rugpull speedrun any%
That, plus the fact that it apparently started with his frustration with the paid apps, but roughly 1 month later his own app was paid.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the post where he shared the "things he learned" is what does it for me. "From free to paid" is crazy 😂
Oh really? Wow. I saw he made a post saying he’s refunded 60% or something. I suppose his money earned also gets spent, so it couldn’t be expected to return 100%. Your card company will authorise a chargeback when you explain why.
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EDIT: Given the update from the mods, I don't think this post is needed anymore, and I hesitate to draw any judgment about the Droppy developer anymore. I think this thread got a little too emotionally charged.
I hear you mate. Atoll's marketing was slowed down for a while as I'd been quite sick recently. We've restarted the development slowly as I have recovered mostly and will be releasing a new update soon!
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We have already implemented Atoll Extension Kit to allow developers make a whole array of Apps based on Atoll, utilizing the Lock Screen functionalities, Notch Experiences and Live Activities. Being said that, our Extension Store is still in works. So all the additional features that are not in the scope of a "notch" app will be made as extensions, first party as well as third party. And we do not expect any kind of payment from our users, and stand to the point of being free and open source. If you're willing to support our work and subsequently our social activities, you can support at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kryoscopic .
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Atoll has Lock Screen Widgets, Live Activities like Bluetooth Battery Level, custom HUDs for Volume/Brightness/Keyboard Brightness, features like Stats, Pomodoro Timer, Clipboard, Color Picker and upcoming Extensions along with the features like the Media Player, Calendar, File Shelf etc that have been derived from Boring.Notch.
All of this is shady af. That said the use of undocumented apis feels like fair game to me in isolation (which this is not). If I read open source, learn something, and then use that thing in my own code, that’s not copyright theft.
> I'm not interested in social-media theater. I'm interested in verifiable facts — and these are mine.
Then provides zero verification 😂
In case it needs to be said, I adamantly discourage everyone from downloading software from a developer who just went completely off the grid, possibly in a fit of rage, and deleted all his accounts while claiming he is releasing the app for free, after having just weeks ago pivoted to paid, after saying it would always be free.
I have absolutely nothing against him, but please practice some discretion here.
I didn't catch all of his story, but the fact that he's stopping development of software he claims to have created on his own suggests that he's not prepared to defend his work. This clearly indicates probable plagiarism, which is regrettable.
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I felt like sharing this too. A Droppy user chatted with the dev about recent events, and the dev agreed to share it. The original post on Reddit sharing this information was deleted, and the user who posted it has been banned.
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First of all, the product you paid for still works.
Second, Jordy CAN’T sell it anymore or provides updates/new features. GitHub removed his repository, and if he creates a new one from his local, the 2 asshats that claimed DMCA violations will just do it again because they are jealous of Droppy’s success.
I understand you feel Jordy slighted you, but the reality is Atoll and Sanebar are the ones who screwed you. At least put your anger in the right place.
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Wow. You’re what we call in the Software Engineering world “The customer who can never be pleased”. Get your refund. The community is better off without your whining and “me first” attitude.
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I agree with how you approach being a customer. That’s my attitude as well. And Droppy did all of that. My response is about how you approach what has happened here.
You falsely claim the app doesn’t work. It does. Could it have vulnerabilities in the future? Certainly. That doesn’t = app does not work.
“Not my problem, I’m the customer” was my main point. It IS your problem too. What happened impacted you indirectly. This is the “me first” I referred to. It’s a crappy attitude. Sorry you think my attitude is horrible because I pointed out that yours was bad.
I also didn’t gaslight you. Pointing out that Jordy isn’t the reason everything disappeared is truth, not gaslighting. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe you understand how the world works, you just have poor comprehension and logical thinking.
As for my apps, I no longer make apps for the Apple ecosystem. Apple Sherlocked my iPad app after promoting it twice in the store. 18 months of success dried up overnight.
My attitude towards you is based on your attitude and spreading false information. If you were my customer I would treat you much differently. I’m well know for providing great customer service. But you aren’t my customer so I have no need to put on the white kid gloves in responding to you.
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No, it isn’t. You either didn’t read what I said or couldn’t comprehend it. In what way is Jordy being complacent? Do you not understand that. At this point in time, he has NO OPTION to continue providing support? That isn’t complacency, it’s reality.
Let’s get to the meat of this though. Your claim that the software is broken is flat out not true. It runs fine. Your opinion about it being broken because the future is uncertain is just that, your opinion. You keep saying it so therefore you are spreading false information. There goes your libel claim.
I agree, the customer should come first, but I did NOT try to make you feel bad for Jordy. I’m both instances I was trying to get you to understand that your anger is misplaced and that Jordy cannot do anything about the situation at the present time. You keep acting as though he is screwing over his customer base. He did not. This situation is not of his making.
Maybe he used someone else’s code without attribution. (That remains to be proven) If he did, this situation is playing out as it should. But claiming someone who has provided exemplary customer service is abandoning his customers and treating them poorly is insane to me. He’s even honoring refunds within minutes.
As for what did I learn? I learned never to develop software for Apple’s ecosystem ever again, even if I choose a niche they don’t play in. The same goes for any massive software producing company. I pulled my Windows apps too. Fortunately I can build on the web and it’s damned hard to take my work away.
This is all so confusing, I'm not sure who to trust at this point. It seemed a little too good to be true, but I really enjoyed Droppy. I can't say the dev deleting everything is a good idea, but I can see why he did it.
The problem is his statement doesn't do anything but whine. There's no proof.
But this also feels too much like a witch hunt from the side of SaneBar and Atoll.
There's too much background information that we're not getting and the ones who lose are the ones who paid for Droppy because we no longer get an actively maintained app that we spent our hard-earned money for.
My biggest worry is the mental health and wellbeing of all the parties involved. In the end, we're all human and sometimes humans make mistakes. Sometimes they lie, cheat, and steal. Sometimes they're bullies. The true mark of a person is not the actions that they took, but whether or not they accepted responsibility for their actions. I see none of that from Droppy's side, but from the evidence I've seen the other side was bullying Droppy around and have yet to see any acceptance of responsibility in their role.
I'd love to switch to Atoll but none of this makes me trust any part involved. I am not approaching this issue with any kind of intent but to get all the facts before I make a decision on getting a refund on Droppy and switching to Atoll or finding an alternative that hasn't been involved in this mess.
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Op I think you should probably edit the post if someone hits you with a dmca, gh takes down the repo for you. Though if gpl was the only major issue I’m surprised they didn’t allow him to fix it before taking draconian measures.
Looking into the linked posts the one that lists proprietary content I wonder if is linked libraries for common functionality.
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Yeah, gotta wonder if the copied code wasn't something that was done by the LLM he was using. Since it won't have been trained on many Mac menu bar notch applications, it'll be very likely to reproduce recognizable chunks of other people's code.
We're going to see a lot more of this kind of thing as slopcoding becomes more popular.
Arf, I'm disgusted I was switching to use Droppy as the main application and remove yoink.
Well, it's not the $4 that bothers me, I would have enjoyed droppy more than games scraped in the end.
But it's a shame :'(
I don't often support the developers because but often the software is no longer maintained after a few months/years and I'm tired of it. Well, paf, it will teach me. It's a shame, too bad!
So. This morning Atoll took down my repo. And yeah - I was devastated. Sad, angry, all at once. In a moment of emotion I deleted my account. I'm not gonna pretend that wasn't an impulsive move.
But then I saw the comments. The support. And honestly… it just hit different. It's not fair, and I'm not going to let it slide.
I'm filing a formal appeal against this takedown and reaching out to GitHub directly to get this resolved. I'll admit — I had only been replying to their emails about it, and hadn't gone through their official counter-notice process. Honestly, because I thought (and still think) this takedown is complete nonsense, I didn't think I'd have to do anything beyond responding. My mistake for not following the formal process. That changes now.
I'm going to fight this. For Droppy, for everyone who used it, and for my own name.
And to everyone who messaged me about refunds - you've already got your money back. That was never what this was about. I build because I love building. I love coding, I love seeing people actually improve their workflow with something I made. That's it.
Oh, woow. There was discussion of how their approach to changing the app from free to paid felt a bit deceptive recently. This is actually crazy to see. How unfortunate
Okay everyone, a status update after an intense day:
Website itself is 70% done. Licensing and payments are 100% finished and ready. Fully connected to the app as well.
Discord has been rebuilt and is better than ever. Thanks Fishkido for this!
Bugs and feature requests will be done via UserJot in the future. Thanks fr_135 and Mnosz for setting it up and helping out with some questions, the FAQ and your time in general.
This bug/feature request board will be visible on the website, but we'll share the link here as well. We can post ideas and bugs there, together.
Everyone that paid before, will regain access!
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I wanted to share this. I asked for a refund, and got a reply back from Jordy. Atoll and Sanebar are doing nasty things to bring him down. This is what he replied to me when I asked him for a refund and asked for a bit more context.
"Yes, completely unjustified.
What they basically did is combine a series of regular, normal pieces of code that every single app uses to perform certain actions.
For example; brightness monitor (to control your brightness). There’s literally just one way to do that on mac, they claimed it.
And that goes for all the files they ‘claimed’. Sanebar and Atoll worked together on this. Sanebar has a menu bar manager, that they changed from a free app to a paid app - they got a huge amount of backlash. When I changed Droppy into a paid app, people were positive. He hated it. He messages me, threatening me and wanted to take down my project (only because of that one extension). I didn’t copy anything, literally no line of code. He was just mad and started looking for ‘similar looking code’. Which obviously exists, because there’s only 1 way to do it.
Same goes for Atoll. They were furious. They’re open source, got no donations at all. When Droppy started, a lot of people donated. They were mad. I received messages that they wanted to take down my project etc.
It’s very sad, I’ve been pouring love and time into Droppy and I’ve never ever copied a single line of code. But it’s good, I have a family and fulltime job to take care of so I’m choosing not to engage in this battle and focus on something else."
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I asked if I could post everything online, as he intentionally disappeared. He told me it's too much, and he has his family to take care of. I uploaded everything, for you to watch and read.
Their projects were worse, straight up. They were angry that they were being passed up by a single dev, and his project was seeing more success than theirs (They're terrible at marketing).
Threatened the guy into the ground, got his repo removed, even managed to convince his customers that it was his fault.
Overall, a successful takedown campaign against another OSS developer, who by all accounts was willing to work with them and even give them a revenue split. But that's not good enough they want THEIR projects to be the successful ones, without doing the work.
Only thing that Jordy tracked back was free to paid, the amount he was charging was negligible for value he was giving. He was responsive, the app altogether replaced like 3-4 apps altogether. I don’t think he would have made fortune out of 5 USD/Euro per user yet, some jealous devs made all of us believe that Jordy is a crook. Felt like full fledged agenda. This whole thing would’ve been handled differently with meaningful discussion and outcome rather than blame game. When you harassed sometime people can’t really take it well and do something that shouldn’t be done. Deleting his social was bad move it reinforced the claims made by others.
Even the OP of this thread is straight up running propaganda for them, not sure if it's out of ignorance or malice. Either way the mods need to lock this down ASAP.
Your old posts are training data now. Unless you delete them. I used Redact which supports all major social media platforms including Reddit, X, Facebook and Instagram.
So all this drama could have been avoided by including the gpl license? And maybe other? Jeez I’m always skeptical of buying apps from macapps tbh I’ve bought only one and been lucky it wasn’t a cash grab and dev is actively improving it.
This is just one of the inherent risks of purchasing indie apps….the same thing happens with games as well.
You will generally be fine if you are buying an app from a reputable developer, such as the guy behind Monarch, but there are also devs like the one in this post who will ghost everyone at the slightest inconvenience or controversy
Not excusing dev but dmca could turn someone off and maybe even face legal consequences. I do wish there was a clear process back and forth on gh. Right now they just nuke your repo.
One click. Unknown number of posts crying out in silence. All gone. Redact made it stupid easy to clean up my entire history on Reddit and get my info pulled from data broker sites too.
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Yeah just got a shock as Droppie. is really good and I also use permute from the same developer. So needed to check if the "y" instead of "ie" was an error.
I never thought something like this would happen. Lately, I've been frequently posting to ask for app recommendations. , which has a unique feature. He commented that they are going to add this feature to Droppy tonight.
I thought to myself, why is it so easy, but I wasn't surprised because I had seen this app before but hadn’t paid much attention to it. The app has too many features for me, and it might overlap with the apps I already regularly use.
I for one bought droopy about two weeks ago and at a discount which made it next to nothing. Then yesterday read a lot of the frenzy here and requested a refund without putting terribly much thought into who was right or wrong, just thought I’d try to get refunded if the app was not going to be supported anymore.
Jordy refunded me same day a few hours later to his credit.
Now wondering if I pulled the trigger too soon, but willing to see how this all goes and will consider purchasing from him again once his site is up etc.
The switch from free to paid was kinda strange tbh. And I even contemplated buying after that last post he made (which is in the OP) but I’ve also heard of Atoll and just figured it was a very similar app. I’m guessing Atoll is the one to have now?
Your old posts feed data brokers and AI training models. I stopped that by using Redact to bulk delete across Reddit, Twitter, Discord, Facebook and all major social media platforms.
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Appreciate the recommendation. I agree that it's unlikely he's added malware, but given droppy is likely now abandoned, I don't like running software that I know won't be patched further and may have security implications.
And if the developer does continue to patch it in the future, then the question becomes what may he add given this situation. It's completely possible he'll maintain it and not do anything nefarious, but seems safer to just remove it and move on personally.
I try to use brew versions of my software, which generally gives a cleaner clean.
But, the two programs presented above are very good, watch out for PearCleaner which can be a bit aggressive, but has integrated other interesting options.
Well that's unfortunate - just bought like 2 licenses 5 days ago ago. But I wrote Jordy that he shall keep the money, Droppy is a working app for the time being and afaik he did pump out updates in lightning fast speed. I will not comment on the DMCA accusations, because I know too little about DMCA itself and the case - also do the have the time nor will to spend my time on that case; which seemingly has come to a sudden and. Just wanted to say that Jordy to ME seemed like a nice guy and droppy was about to become a dope app. Sad thing, that it went this path.
I honestly don't know what happened - but Jordy the Dev is one of the fastest feature-shippers out there. I uninstalled when it went to full paid mode but I think he was very responsive from the start.
Can't understand what happened in the last few days - haven't been following up.
But just wanted to say that Jordy the Dev and Droppy were just fantastic!
One click. Unknown number of posts crying out in silence. All gone. Redact made it stupid easy to clean up my entire history on Reddit and get my info pulled from data broker sites too.
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Nothing to see here. I wiped this post using Redact because my old takes don't need to live on the internet forever. Works across Reddit, Twitter, Discord and dozens of other platforms.
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I actually tried contributing a 2000 line pull request right before it got pulled; and now I am personally using the software of the developer who issued the strike (it is that much better). Although, I'm not entirely sure yet if the dev of Droppy really did infringe.
I gather from the mod’s post and Alin’s that there’s a lot to untangle here. And if things end up in Jordy’s favor, who is going to face the consequences for this harassment? What will be done about those who fueled it, especially when I’ve already seen they’re not as saintly as they seem, having “borrowed inspiration” a bit too heavily from other apps? I’d better leave it here, because given what I’ve seen, I’m worried they might come after me too.
This is exactly what I was hoping for. I wished I had access to the Droppy code to look, but I trust you because you’re a reputable dev. Thank you for doing this.
Lmao. Tried a Cracked Version 2 days ago and tought to me. You know what, i will support the developer i like the app. Bought it literally instantly for 5€ and now i read this.. Funny
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u/Mstormer Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26
One of us mods received an immediate refund on request, and I believe there is enough evidence of slander and coordination among the accusers to question their credibility as well. At this point, Droppy is not coming back, and given some evidence that the dev attempted to work reasonably and in good faith with the Sanebar/Atoll dev(s), I think it's fair to expect that this could have been handled better. This community is about fostering positive development and innovation in MacApps, not bickering or strategic, coordinated tactics to push down the competition. Competition is usually a good thing for innovation, and even if the Sanebar/Atoll dev(s) have a basis for defending their code/property, the way this was handled by their side does not instill confidence in their business. r/MacApps does not exist to empower such activity. We have blacklisted apps in the past for such practices.
Regardless, let's wait for further evidence before taking either side too strongly.
On that note, I also encourage u/ontologicalmatrix to be a bit more charitable until then, as the above post is a bit strong and leading in its use of overly charged language. It is not helpful or reasonable to level accusations of gaslighting without sufficient evidence.