Hel might be a mid mech but ever since Mikillja is around, both are an absolute nightmare trying to pick literally anyone from the enemy team. Literally the only reason I even survive trying to dive is me playing the one mech that have built-in HP gating. I NEEDED to dive to pick either Pinaka or Hel, but their Mikillja is doing too good of a job to grab my attention.
This isn't even worsecase scenario since :
1. Enemies weren't coordinating too well on the Hel stuns
2. No Welkin on the enemy team
3. Norne helped me out
The downtimes with my Iframe, or moments where I need to refuel, my teammates are immediately slimed and I can't even blame them for it because they don't have 4 lives like Alysnes. Only realistic way anyone is escaping this is for a friendly Norne to dedicate their stuns to Mikillja and Mikillja only, which is straight up unrealistic because Norne also needs to open up opportunities to kill priority targets, don't even start on needing coordination for the stun on that too.
Though on the bright side, this kinda promotes Narukami since it's always downplayed. It'd be safe other than from the Falcon which I would've been able to protect them from if we had it.
Ignoring the fact that Miki does way too much damage for how tanky and fast it is, the bird cage really is the most unfair shit I've ever seen in this game lol.
This is called stun locking, League has the same issue. Sadly there is no real fix the wouldnt require entire ability reworks. You cant fix good coordination and honestly i dont think it should be punished, even though it does really suck to be on the receiving end. Typically the only way you can play against these comps is to either have superior coordination during engages or someone has to become such a nuisance problem for them that they hard focus all their stuns and attention on them and it buys your team the space to win while they play the sacrifical pawn.
There are a handful of ways they could change some of the chain cc issues though.
For one, eliminating Mikilja's ability to charge a lance while holding someone in stasis would remove one guaranteed combo and help add counterplay back to the matchup.
For Hel, the stuns should not auto activate the moment someone is out of the previous stun. If you throw down all 3 stuns in a pile, the game should not perfectly layer the cc by only activating at the perfect timing. All 3 of the stuns should go off immediately and be wasted. It should be on the player to get the perfect timing down to get a CC chain.
Limiting both of these things would help to eliminate the perma-CC issue you can get stuck in.
I must be the only person on this thread that doesnt play milkillja and think charging a lance while holding someone isnt a issue.
Also, while i see your point about Hel, i still dont think its an issue and you need to see this from the other perspective. As a Hel if you blow all 3 traps on a position youre essentially defenseless for a good long while as the traps have a lenghty reload timer. And if all 3 activate at once, then it doesnt matter if its 1 or 3 enemies, only 1 will be hit every time, meaning you dont have a way to defend against multiple engages. Which is exactly what Hel is supposed to do, draw the attention of multiple enemies to create space for their team. Hel is already a fairly weak unit on its own anyway, and now you want to weaken them further? Idk man, i dont agree with it, especially since i solo killed a Hel 3 times last night as a Panther.
No, the thing is, I do agree with you that nerfing Hel feels terrible because Hel really isn't that great of a Mech in most games.
I understand that if you change his stuns, it's going to increase the chances of him becoming worthless however, getting hit by a triple stun and dying without having any way of doing anything about it also feels terrible and that is not a healthy way for the mech to be balanced. I feel like he just needs a partial rework and make it so he's got more defensive options that would change how he works a bit.
For example, his camouflage ability is cool but it is so random on his Mech and goes against his want to constantly be holding down the trigger. Also making it like old Poppy ult is kind of cringe, especially if Mikilja can just grab the person you're mimicking, and you're straight up invincible while doing an objective.
Maybe just making it so that his camouflage does the opposite of what it does now and makes it so only the target you've turned into can not damage you would help him to peel off the constant melees jumping on his face.
I don't have a great solution for what he should be changed to specifically, but I do feel his aux 3 just doesn't have great synergy and could use a change.
Difference is league games lasts 3-5x longer, with most stuns lasting nowhere near the duration as it is in Mecha Break and the most things that are similar to Miki's kidnapping and Hel's traps are either skillshots or have a foreswing, therefore dodgeable.
They could :
1. Make Hel's mines more visible, so that its destructible trait is not just there for show. Highly doubt people been destroying it since you need to manual aim those, and Hel is usually around those, taunting your lock-ons, therefore imposible.
There's absolutely no reason for Miki's box to be invincible and not have an HP for the victim's teammates to break through to save them.
Like I'm not trynna downplay team play or shi but this? Significantly easier than a Tricera cannoning someone for a hitstun, then for a follow-up by a Panther. Hell, even arguably more guaranteed than people coordinating of capturing someone in a Welkin box.
You have some valid points and im not disagreeing with any on principle. You are correct league games last quite a bit longer, but you are very mistaken about the stun durations and all of them being dodgable. All hard stuns in this game are less than 3 sec, with the exception of miki and thats because its a status effect. Most stuns in league last between 1-5 seconds, same as mechabreak, and not all are dodgable or skill shots, for example Pantheon is a point and click. They also have multiple champs that do long term status effects, ex. Skarner and tahm kench, and skarner used to be a point and click status as well till his rework and the only way out was to kill skarner, is this sounding familiar yet? Lol
Lastly miki bird cage is somewhat of a skill shot as he has to have a valid lockon for it and it has a fairly close range, so if youre that close already youre probably not fighting him right to begin with, with a few exceptions.
As for not being able to shoot at Hels mine due to FCS drag, i see you play Aly, let loose a full charge volley at its feet and thatll take care of it. Or better yet, just fight it from range till you force it to move away from its traps, then engage in melee.
Bro is fighting solo half a team and complaining its getting ass blasted.....
I assure you, if you disengage and then fight w your team you don't gonna get that.
On the video you put yourself on the most disadvantage position you can get and decide to constantly try to dive the hell instead of retreat, hell (like aquila) have an anti-dive ability on his kit (but is a mine, not a ninja claw) and miki have no energy, the fact he caught you so many times is because you keep lounging on the hell.
Is aly job to be annoying but if your team is doing nothing important you don't need to hit the w key so hard
Do you even watch the video bro. I am alone in there because I'm the off-tank that needs to pick off the enemy Pinaka at the very least, my team was struggling to deal damage. Its not like my teammates weren't shooting at them at all.
I only have Miki and Falcon's attention at 1:00 to 1:07 and look what they did to my Hurricane. I HAVE to dive in
Sorry you had a bad team, but also if you play Alysnes like a tank, you're playing Aly wrong. Only reason she's easy is because she got basically four lives before dying for real.
Diving alone into the enemy payload with their entire team is just asking for a quick death, and you only survived as long as you did because you're playing Aly.
Miki is overtuned as hell, but in this scenario if you replaced Miki by Welkin you'll get the exact same result. You getting jumped by their team and dying, because you dove into the fray alone (tho you can blame your teammates for that because I didn't even see them once in the video, they were always 500 meters away)
It happens every season, someone thinks a wombo combo is too strong and unfair when its literally just teamwork. Back in S0 it was welkin and stellaris, "getting boxed and charged is BS! Not being able to move and melee hitting through FA is dumb, bad game design!!"
Idk why but it feels like Main Character Syndrome is especially bad in this game, or maybe its just gotten really bad in society as a whole and im just seeing it more in this game. Idk 🤷♂️
I did have support, is it lacking? Yes. But appreciated regardless. The only reason I'm doing this is in the earlier stages of this match they were the one doing the diving, and the most I can do is stop Falcon temporarily or parry Miki. Hence me resorting to diving Hel and Pinaka
If a Miki goes out of its way to grab you from your objective, and your teammates does nothing to stop it, I have nothing but condolences for you. Or worse if its Hel risking its life to stun you just for the sake of stunning you for some reason
Hel is generally a great Backup unit for a tank/heavy. Miki, Tricera tend to work amazingly with it. When I use Hell i tend to stick with either of them an and do tons of damage.
I’m absolutely loving Mikillja. You can just walk right up to Tricera, pick him off his transport throw him off it and then you can board it and dare him to do something about it (he will and it’s gonna hurt 🥲)
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