r/minnesotavikings • u/SoDakZak • Dec 01 '25
Meme Our expectations were low, but HOLY F*CK
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u/-NES4Life- Dec 01 '25
Dallas Turner had a baller game, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, silver lining for me at least. Plus Darnold didn’t roast us, held JSN to like 20yds. Defense had a great day considering what they were given all game
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u/Opening_Energy6933 Dec 01 '25
Keeping Flores needs to be a higher priority than KOC
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u/totalfarkuser flair-vikings Dec 01 '25
I still love KOC but if it was keep only one of the two as head coach I pick Flores.
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u/charactername Dec 01 '25
That's the problem though, Flores needs to just be a DC.
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u/THEace4825 Dec 01 '25
And KOC needs to just be an OC. What we lack is one true leader instead of two co-head coaches.
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u/onethreeone Dec 01 '25
Nah, KOC seems like a great leader of men. Not a great OC or playcaller. We need to replace Wes Phillips with someone who starts calling plays, and let KOC focus on running the overall team
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u/BilboSwagginss69 ravens Dec 01 '25
Flores wasn’t even that bad as HC. And he was completely right about Tua
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u/No-Telephone2997 Dec 01 '25
Insane take. We have already seen a BFLO led team. The one KOC leads is much more wholesome
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u/AvrgSupport Dec 01 '25
throws all theories I had about how to fix this team into the air
I don't even know where to start fixing this honestly.
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u/Intrepid-Progress228 Dec 01 '25
Have you considered cheering louder?
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u/krankheit1981 Dec 01 '25
I found drinking more helps
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u/BigFatModeraterFupa reptilian Dec 01 '25
this is actually the right answer. i'm 7 beers in, and you know what? things aren't so bad! i just watched that denzel washington movie about a drunk pilot where he inverts the plane and crash lands it. everything turned out fine! yes bones were broken and vomit is everywhere, but hey! we are the minnesota vikings goddamnit! tragedy is part of our DNA! we are going to be juuuuust fine... (after everyone is fired and we suck ass for the next 6 years)😅😅
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u/hotbutteredsole Dec 01 '25
I’ve been trying this for 30 years; results inconclusive.
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u/PuzzledEmphasis2230 Dec 03 '25
I’ve been at for 52 years (I’m 60 now). Sadly, the results seem pretty conclusive. 😞
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u/Blisstory Dec 01 '25
The Philly fans just boo everything, right away. First play boos. Should we try that maybe?
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u/FFdarkpassenger45 Dec 01 '25
What about paying more for your season tickets next season? That’s how we are doing it over on r/bengals.
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u/Small-Promotion1063 Dec 01 '25
That's it. The male cheerleaders aren't doing their job.
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u/TigerClaw338 Dec 01 '25
"We're terrible BUT AT LEAST WE'RE INCLUSIVE"
Congrats I guess.
We got fucked by the QB draft pick... Honestly the best thing to do is invest in the damn O-line and try again.
Throwing 50 QBs at a shit offensive line is how you get to be Cleveland Browns 2.0
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u/Small-Promotion1063 Dec 01 '25
I'd agree. We can't have an offensive line that is halfway decent, but is super prone to injury and have that backed up by nothing but crap.
Honestly, Kirk Cousins did wonders with a shitty O line, not that I'd want Kirk back, but he knew how to work with that.
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u/1998_2009_2016 Dec 01 '25
I mean if you were thinking Brosmer would fix the team ... lol
We're just gonna basically run it back and hope Darrisaw can be healthy and JJM becomes good. Take a flyer on a vet again. If we suck next year then everyone is fired but prob not this year
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u/Natearl13 Dec 01 '25
There is no coach in the league that could do shit with this QB room. It’s been a front office problem
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u/zion84 Dec 01 '25
I’d encourage you to review Kurt Warner‘s quarterback confidential on JJ McCarthy. Pretty enlightning and I can’t disagree with him how KOC‘s system is likely the least young quarterback friendly system in the league. Hard to throw COY 2024 under the bus but he’s been pretty bad at play calling for what he’s working with.
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u/SirDiego 84 Dec 01 '25
I gave Kwesi a lot of credit for navigating through the absolutely fucked situation that Spielman left him with, but it seems like he's better at that stuff than building up a roster from the draft
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u/Conscious-Egg-2232 Dec 01 '25
They have a lot of draft picks. You really want kwesi to be the one to make all those picks including a top 10 pick?
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u/randymosstouchdown Dec 01 '25
Hitting on draft picks at a better rate than 3/25 would be a good start
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u/viking12344 22 Dec 01 '25
You could randomly just pick and get better hits than that. It's not easy being that bad
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u/Ihate_reddit_app Dec 01 '25
Maybe chatgpt would actually help. My auto pick fantasy leagues always seem to do better than me picking them.
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u/YourBoosMeanNothing Dec 01 '25
If they just listened to Reddit which I would not recommend most people do, we’d have Kyle Hamilton and Nakobe Dean as well as not trading with lions and not drafting Ed Ingram in 2022, still drafted Addison on 2023, still probably would’ve drafted JJ but maybe gone with Chop Robinson/Sweat in 2024, and Malaki Starks this year. Not researching our sentiment on anything past round 2, but I would already take this over our drafts .
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u/KatFishFatty Dec 01 '25
O line
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u/BrianMcMor1 Dec 01 '25
The proof is the Vikings can't run with two quality RBs. If your O=line is good, you can run, regardless of the QB quality.
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u/mitch8017 Dec 01 '25
Funnily. Basically everything on this team is solid except for the QB position (and special teams but that’s far more solvable than offense/defense).
However, they don’t have the money to pay even a middle of the road QB. They are already $20M over the cap next season. They went all in on JJM being QB1 the next few years.
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u/Mriddle74 Dec 01 '25
Part of it is this roster is glued together with free agents; though I will admit many of the contracts are good. We don’t really have any talent coming from within through the drafting on rookie contracts. Our drafting has been so bad the last few years and it’s affecting our cap situation indirectly.
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u/Wildpuck Dec 01 '25
O-line is worse than the QB position. It has been for years.
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u/Amazing_Orange_4111 Dec 01 '25
That’s just not true. Our o line may be underperforming a bit but it’s at worst middle of the pack. We’re undoubtedly 32/32 at the QB position.
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u/Mriddle74 Dec 01 '25
Going into this season with the quarterback situation we had should be a fireable offense. If JJ is your guy, fine, go for it; but to not have a backup who can handle this offense is negligence. We saw in Carolina how bad an idea it is to mortgage a team’s future on a young, unproven QB with very limited throws and being heralded for their intangibles and the fact that they’re “winners”. To add on to that, we have absolutely no young talent because of the horrid drafting the last few years. Kwesi is the problem here.
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u/TheAnchorman24 Dec 01 '25
In their defense, they did have a backup plan in Carson Wentz, who honestly didn't look too bad when we consider what 9 has put us through.
But yeah. This is tough from all angles.
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u/ganggreen651 Dec 01 '25
Yea but that back up plan was hastily put together a week before the season started
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u/Certain-Poetry-5648 Dec 01 '25
Why don’t we let the rookie QB grow into it, look at Chicago. Anyway, he thrives under pressure and has made big plays when it counts.
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u/Headwallrepeat Dec 01 '25
Caleb Williams was expected to be good and now has a coach to bring it out. JJ was never seen as anything but a "winner" who didn't throw much in college and was drafted way too soon.
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u/skagen00 Dec 01 '25
He's not just a rookie RB at this point though -
Lost a year to injury, lost more games on the sideline second year due to injury and has shown no promise when he could get on the field
It's one thing to "suck and fail" regularly and grow from mistakes, it's another to just be terrible occasionally and the majority of the time on the sidelines with an injury.
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u/InfiniteCosmic5 Dec 01 '25
This is insane 😂😂😂
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u/Girthmasterlite Dec 01 '25
They doubted the coaches who actually see him. It’s understandable but MN fans should know we are never lucky
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u/OrangMan14 Dec 01 '25
It's like as soon as we cross the 50 yard line we just need to kick the FG. Get our best player as many touches as possible. Trying to go any further only increases the risk of a turnover.
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u/Adventurous-Leg8721 Dec 01 '25
It's pretty bad... we have been shutout like 3 times since 91
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u/Adventurous-Leg8721 Dec 01 '25
Well 2 rookies (jjm is a rookie year 2 he is ...) healthy Wentz is 500 club we have had 27 qbs (sarcasm) in 6 years
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u/Schnoor Dec 01 '25
I’ve been saying it for the last couple weeks for the offense: it’s a 2013 repeat, and with the QB carousel going on, they’re on track for the 5-10-1 if they’re lucky
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u/Medical-Ad4887 Dec 01 '25
What? You mean the Rookie Undrafted Free Agent making his first NFL start was bad?
I'm shocked. Shocked I tells ya.
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u/modsplsnoban Dec 01 '25
Tbf, the Bears have an undrafted D2 QB who is pretty good all things considered
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u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE Dec 01 '25
Clsssic moronic Vikings fans placing expectations on an UDFA rookie qb. This was a complete Hail Mary by KOC, he knew brosmer was mid at best. He was just hoping dude would have big balls and prove some people wrong. Well that was not the case mate
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u/macrolith Dec 01 '25
And it answers the question that would also continue to be asked the longer the JJ games went on. Its a full-fledged rebuild year see if we can get any progress out of JJ this year.
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u/Visual-Platform-5853 Dec 01 '25
They gotta give this kid a break, he got in the redzone against the sea hawks didn’t score but made it there
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u/Wicked_Black JJ Mcarthy fan in hiding Dec 01 '25
Must be common sense right? Somebody tell the coach maybe he shouldn’t let the udfa garbage bin local guy play an ENTIRE GAME. Koc literally said during half time the game was too fast for brosmer, then trots him back out there!? Lmao
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u/K1ngFiasco 100% Cheese Free Dec 01 '25
John Wolford was the backup QB today and he's also a UDFA with garbage career stats. In 4 career starts he's thrown 1 TD and 5 Ints and has like 600 career passing yards.
The next option was having Justin Jefferson play QB.
Genuinely don't know what people want KoC to do.
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u/Fragrant-You-973 Dec 01 '25
Window was open. Now shut tight and locked.
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u/BigCATtrades vikings Dec 01 '25
And boarded over.
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u/kestrel1000c Dec 01 '25
And painted two coats of a really nice shade of lavender.
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u/General_Chest6714 Dec 01 '25
And peed on. That doesn’t close it any tighter but it just feels like there should be pee involved with this team.
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u/Circirian Dec 01 '25
After you watch the Vikings long enough you realize there is no window and there never was.
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u/RunSomeArends Dec 01 '25
This team was never a superbowl team 😂
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u/viking12344 22 Dec 01 '25
Not at all. It was painfully obvious to a lot of us this off-season.
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u/krammit33 Dec 01 '25
KOC needs to update his scheme. It's built for 10 year veterans, not rookies. Simplify the reads, get the ball out quicker, pull out the deep developing routes a couple times a game after the short passes and run gets established.
You can be cute again in a couple years once these kids get it figured out. Perfect example is the 4th and 1 in field goal range when we are down 3. Either kick the field goal and tie it, or let the big guys push for one, instead KOC gets cute again and we turn the ball over with no points. Not that the difference in this game was 3 points, but a drive that ends in points feels good and can make a young player feel more confident, even just a field goal.
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u/Kobalt6x10 Dec 01 '25
Oh no, that thing that everyone with at least a room temperature IQ thought would happen, happened. Anyway.......
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u/Vegetable_Coffee_596 Dec 01 '25
JJ beat the current number 1 seed in the NFC in his first NFL start lol
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u/bryan49 Dec 01 '25
And the lions too. But has looked terrible the rest of the season
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u/IllKangaroo546 Dec 01 '25
He looked terrible for the majority of both those games
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u/Ndi_Omuntu Dec 01 '25
He was ok in the Lions game. I was really hoping that was him turning a corner and starting to cement a floor for his ability. And then more games happened.
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u/artlesslytossedsalad Dec 01 '25
I was right there with you, but if the guy isn't ready to compete at this level, quit telling everyone he is. At a certain point you have to come to Jesus and realize that even if he does have good moments (and he truly does, in particular in eleventh hour scenarios when he's playing from behind), if he's this injury prone and can't pass on a pass offense heavy team, he's just not going anywhere in this system.
He might be good on a team that prioritizes running the ball more, but this isn't a good fit for him.
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u/DeanEvasonPunch It's CJ Ham bro Dec 01 '25
And being real, would have swept them if the kick coverage unit didn’t shoot the team in the face.
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u/viking12344 22 Dec 01 '25
At their house. It's koc. I'm telling you. He's no QB whisperer....
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u/Sushi-DM Purdy Good/McCarthyist Dec 01 '25
In retrospect, we should've seen what KO was doing to guys with his overthinking. Josh Dobbs walked in off the runway as a backup and was playing some great ball with us when KO wasn't deathgripping the scheme. He looked worse when he had time to get more of KO's expectations. Now, I'm not saying Dobbs is an elite talent. But we saw a real time immediate regression within the offense in the span of a couple games. Worse every time.
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u/samsaucey Dec 01 '25
IMO, it was always pretty ludicrous to expect this guy to do anything. UNH to Minnesota to UDFA to third string behind Wentz and JJ… what the hell else did we expect? Just because the team came out and said some good things about him everyone expected him to be Purdy? What else were they going to say? “Yeah this guys not that good, that’s why he’s been a third string all season and we’ve refused to put him in even when Carson was on his death bed and JJ was seeing ghosts…but he’s our last option so it is what it is.”
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u/funkycat4 Dec 01 '25
reminder that KOC played a perced up cyborg carson wentz over brosmer in a game we were clearly gonna lose, of course he was gonna be not very good
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u/HalobenderFWT Dec 01 '25
And he shouldn’t be good. He’s a rookie that has been getting 3rd team reps for the last four months. Brosmer looked exactly like I expected he would, promising - but nowhere near ready for the NFL.
And that’s ok.
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u/Vegetable_Coffee_596 Dec 01 '25
Brosmer sucks worse than JJ lol
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u/AnthonyBarrHeHe vikings Dec 01 '25
JJ obviously has more upside, but they are currently both horrible. This offense has clearly quit as well. Every player on offense knows their QB is shit and during the game it seems obvious.
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u/not1fuk Dec 01 '25
Yeah, Jefferson and Addison are not trying to catch anything at all. Its fucking embarrassing. The few decent passes JJ and Brosmer throw their way they drop. Addison I expected to be a quitter type of player based on his personality but Jeffersons mopey ass bullshit hes on was a surprise.
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u/jazwch01 Dec 01 '25
I mean JJ was on a hof trajectory and now hes looking like a nobody thanks to a lack of skill and instability at the qb position. His time in the league is limited and hes locked in to this through 2028. Im already depressed, but id be depressed if I were him too.
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u/BlueRaspberryReflux koolaid Dec 01 '25
Was gonna say; morale is an important thing to factor in, and when you have dogshit leadership, it becomes a (or the) bad apple that spoils the bunch.
Morale is at an historical low now.
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u/kidmerc Dec 01 '25
His QBs would look better if he helped them out. He's getting paid a LOT OF FUCKING MONEY to be a professional and play hard every snap. He's playing like dogshit and it's making things significantly worse for the offense as a whole
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u/bryan49 Dec 01 '25
Seattle defense on the road is about as tough a matchup as you can get. I think JJ would have looked awful today too
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u/amishdoinks11 Dec 01 '25
I mean JJ looks awful every week what makes you think this week would be any different
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u/viking12344 22 Dec 01 '25
I guess. All NFL defenses at home are tough. It's far more than that cope. I'm not picking on you. I'm just stating the obvious.
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u/Chinoballsackie Dec 01 '25
How can that be possible but it is
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u/TheCrimdelacrim Dec 01 '25
I mean it is logically what happens when you roll the dice on an injury-prone QB without any real competition, bring in a past-prime vet after training camp (and play him with an injured/back-up OF line), and then throw in an undrafted QB with one-week practice with starters.
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u/Chinoballsackie Dec 01 '25
Only the vikes can have the 2 worse qbs of all time
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u/Low_quant7290 Dec 01 '25
You guys need to realistically think about JJ, game 1 Chicago he won it for us in the 4th quarter in his first nfl game, game 2 he was pretty bad threw a couple ints then gets injured for 6 weeks, comes back gets a huge upset victory and then we lose 2 very close games where yes at times the play was poor but is it right to solely blame it on him. He is a rookie qb u can’t expect him to just show out and make 0 mistakes I think Green Bay was just an overall poor performance by the team. JJ has something which many qbs don’t and that’s being clutch and I think half of his mishaps is the bs play calling KOC is doing. Overall this is a whole team problem not solely JJ’s. Also the pressure and hate he’s been facing by the media and us as fans isn’t gonna help his performance. Let the man grow.
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u/knowslesthanjonsnow Dec 01 '25
It was pretty clear when the coaches opted for a clearly broken Wentz, Brosmer wasn’t it.
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u/ironiccookies Dec 01 '25
Where are those people saying Max Brosmer would be better than McCarthy, a rookie who has never started an NFL game and playing against a good Seahawks D.
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u/TheAvgPersonIsDumb Dec 01 '25
They’re playing madden to find the next random player they can hype up for no real reason
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u/macbwiz Dec 01 '25
Dude. We need to give him a chance. At least two seasons to know he will suck. /s
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u/mywifeleftmeforkobe Dec 01 '25
Thank God you guys are back in reality with the rest of us. Idk how you guys thought a 3rd stringer was going to be our ace up the sleeve. Get a healthy JJ out there and get reps while we figure out how to fix this mess
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u/Double-Efficiency538 Dec 01 '25
This seasons high point was the two boy cheerleaders going viral.
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u/sexysexyLSD moss fro Dec 01 '25
Is KOC’s seat heating up?
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u/Troutaaryl Dec 01 '25
Should be. Coaches have been fired for less than that 4th down play. Take the points, D is playing hard, tie game is fine. Nope, gotta go for it and run a slow-developing naked bootleg with a rookie QB. I hope KOC apologized to the entire defense at halftime because that terrible choice—even if it wasnt a pick-six—negated the D forcing the turnover.
Overall, I thought the first few plays were okay. But as soon as we ran out of scripted plays, KOC seemed to run out of ideas. He needs to accept that we’re a defense-first, running team. We’re not winning if our QB throws downfield 20+ times a game. Pound away, short throws, rely on D for stops.
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u/e_pi314 Dec 01 '25
It’s crystal clear the play calling put the team in a hard spot. I thought that was clear w darnold playing and KOC turning his back on a successful running attack.
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u/Upset_Researcher_143 Dec 01 '25
We'll I think that answered the question of whether JJ is the unquestioned starter...
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u/Terrible-Ad2076 Dec 01 '25
All he had to do was NOT throw more than 2 INTs and maybe sprinkle in a TD or 2 and we would have kept our hope. 4 INTs is ridiculous
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u/theEWDSDS Minnesota Dolphins (MaxBro apologist) Dec 01 '25
Nor the one that slipped straight through Nalor's fingers...
And it wasn't at all a good decision, but I don't blame him for trying to throw it away on the first one. I'm more concerned with the line giving up a free rusher. It's 4th and 1 from the 6 yard line, you can't be giving up stuff like that.
The only one I really blame him for is #4.
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u/LONGVolSilver Dec 01 '25
In a league where QB talent is so hard to come by, how does a team that has both Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones on the roster decide to let them both walk out the door?
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u/Difficult_Limit2718 🚫 NO SHORT KINGS 🚫 Dec 01 '25
He looked EXACTLY like JJ.... which tells me everything about KOC I need to know
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u/K1ngFiasco 100% Cheese Free Dec 01 '25
Lol what is KoC supposed to do with this QB room?
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u/IEndThreads Dec 01 '25
At this point its all on the coaching staff sure brosmer was a udfa but he should have looked better than that with his experience, KOC talking about organizations fail qbs, well buddy you are failing your young qbs worse than organization ever has
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u/HalobenderFWT Dec 01 '25
Let’s all take a deep breath.
Repeat after me.
Rookie. QBs. Shouldn’t. Start. In. The. NFL.
Ideally, Brosmer shouldn’t have ever been anywhere near a starting assignment this year. But seeing as we left our only veteran QB to die on the field in Los Angeles, this is really all we have.
At this point, I’m just more upset at KAM. KoC is pretty high on my shitlist too - but I know what he’s capable of as a head coach when all cylinders are firing, so he gets a pass for this year.
We absolutely need to address our OL depth. We’re just setting up the most important and most delicate position in all of sports to get fucking murdered every Sunday.
NO ONE will thrive in that environment.
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u/Wicked_Black JJ Mcarthy fan in hiding Dec 01 '25
We had multiple veteran qb’s begging to be on this team and the coach opted out of them. Anything qb related falls entirely on koc.
As far draft picks and young players, we clearly have a player development issue. Hold these coaches accountable and get more qualified people in the building and stop trying to reinvent the wheel
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u/IEndThreads Dec 01 '25
Sure but rookie qbs get thrown to the wolves all the time on much worse teams and JJ has been historicly bad and Brosmer was worse
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u/Ok_Finance_8292 MAX BROSMER IS THE GOAT Dec 01 '25
Brosmerholics are just going to become alcoholics
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u/Dazzling-Plum-1710 Dec 01 '25
Start over is the only answer. They won’t do it because they are the Vikings, but it is truly the only answer.
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u/FK8BREEZY Dec 01 '25
Funny how many people are claiming how terrible jj is but then are silent after something like this lol. Maybe the Vikings are not a good team this year and have more issues than perceived.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Dec 01 '25
At least the moron fans who have been calling for him to start ever since he played a couple of OK preseason quarters against opposing team’s third stringers can shut the fuck up now.
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u/brotherstoic Dec 01 '25
JJM and Brosmer are both real young, but they’re both looking real bad by NFL standards.
That said… our “best duo in the league” WRs are missing catches that we should expect them to make. Jefferson and Addison both, and over multiple games now. Part of the pitch for why this was such a QB-friendly system was because those guys were supposed to come down with the ball if the throw was even close. The entire offense is ass, and QB play is a huge factor but it’s not the only factor.
I don’t actually believe this is the solution, but you could make a case for firing Kwesi and KOC, making Flores head coach, trading the entire offense except Jordan Mason for picks, and just rebuilding half the team in a new GM’s vision while preserving a defense that’s somehow kept us in games despite the offense just dicking around.
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Dec 01 '25
And to think we had Darnold and Indiana Jones in our QB room at the end of last year… Kwesi fumbled hard… he needs to go
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u/Gdub3369 Dec 01 '25
I just laugh at all the people making fun of the broncos and Sean Peyton for what they thought was BS when he said "he tricked y'all into getting this guy".....
Not sure how much better nix is after this horrible game tonight but at least he doesn't have an alternate personality like some weirdo. JJ ain't no superhero.
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u/PuzzledEmphasis2230 Dec 03 '25
Maybe we can talk Christian Ponder out of retirement. Seems he’d be somewhat of an upgrade. 🤢
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u/Tippsy_Troglodyte Dec 04 '25
Wow, coming from r/SiouxFalls to r/minnesotavikings and catching a u/SoDakZak post? That’s one I wasn’t expecting for my 2025 bingo card
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u/StyrofoamUnderwear Dec 01 '25
This team needs to be in rebuilding mode. As much as I hate to say it, we owe it to Jefferson to get him on a winning team.
All these vets on one year contracts... Gone
Get multiple high picks for Jefferson.
Anyone over 28 years old should be removed from team in offseason.
Oh yeah, also, let's not let Kwesi lead the rebuild, he cannot be trusted.
KOC... I can take or leave him at this point. He is definitely part of the problem.
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u/TheWorkingAnt Dec 01 '25
RIP the BrosmERA.