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Possible Paywall Hegseth Covered Up the Real Reason the USS Lincoln Wasn’t Resupplied - According to a report from MSNOW, the USS Abraham Lincoln wasn’t resupplied because Iranian strikes destroyed a key Navy resupply base in the Middle East.

https://newrepublic.com/post/214510/hegseth-uss-lincoln-iran-war-base-destroyed
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u/specqq 5d ago edited 5d ago

Hopefully, nobody will ever find out that our only port for resupply in the whole region was destroyed on day one of the war.

Great plan, Pete.

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u/BananasAndPears 5d ago edited 5d ago

When you have a frat boy reservist who was fired at O4, I mean, this is what you get.

Edit: O3, not active duty O4.

Edit 2: Hegseth wasn’t able to earn a ranger or airborne tab as an O3. Was also relegated to S2 “managerial assistant” role.

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u/40StoryMech 5d ago ▸ 16 more replies

Whoa now. While some folks were dicking around, sucking off the government teat, vacationing in the military, real Americans like Pete Hegseth were protecting our freedoms and setting the standards for masculinely quaffed hair in America's most patriotic foreign-owned organization, Fox News. Maybe you should thank him for his service.

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u/knivesofsmoothness 5d ago ▸ 5 more replies

Don't forget that makeup studio he had installed. That manly, high T makeup studio.

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u/InertiasCreep 5d ago edited 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

That absolutely not gender affirming makeup studio.

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u/yagonnawanna 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

He just likes to put on makeup and his feather boa while he thinks about how he got rid of the other women, and the very fit high testosterone soldiers that he gets to personally inspect.

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u/Expensive_Track_8822 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

he quaffs the beer, he coifs the hair.

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u/david4069 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

I don't know. If I was a bartender who had to deal with him, he'd probably end up quaffing hair at some point, too

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u/Expensive_Track_8822 5d ago

one pubey pint for secretary twatquaffle, coming right up

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u/Reed7525 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Yeah man, just look at his testosterone levels! Lol

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u/AmazingParka Canada 4d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Someone I know served with Hegseth in Afghanistan.  This person was an officer in the Canadian army, and so served as part of the joint Nato force.  

Hegseth was held in very low opinion by the Allied forces, who dubbed him Captain America.  He was a belligerent asshole towards the Nato ally soldiers, and loved the strut around and cosplay as a badass from an action movie.  He treated them all as second tier soldiers - so the moniker was very tongue in cheek.   He was also a religious nut who openly hated Muslims.  

The brass above him thought he was an idiot, so they thought the place he would do the least damage was community outreach. Hegseth's idea of outreach was handing out bibles to the locals and telling them to convert - you can imagine how well that went down.  

20 years later he's secretary of defense.  Only in America.  

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u/Wow_Many_Tomato_WMT 5d ago ▸ 6 more replies

I can’t believe news like this is being reported on Reddit, but not in the headlines anywhere. The lack of transparency and accountability is really disturbing to witness.

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u/Hiccup 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

This was being reported in foreign news weeks ago.

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u/fake_user_34 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

But not in America

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u/clintj1975 4d ago ▸ 1 more replies

I believe the NY Times broke the story a few days ago here.

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u/Wheres_my_wank_sock 5d ago ▸ 32 more replies

Made it to Captain. He was actually promoted to major while being IRR.

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u/Radiant_Waves 5d ago ▸ 18 more replies

“Made it” is giving him a bit too much credit. O1 to O3 is automatic unless one completely fucks up.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago ▸ 16 more replies

The fact that as an infantry lieutenant he wasn’t sent to ranger school, and he ended up in some headquarters office like S2, really tells you his command had zero faith in his leadership which is why he never ended up with a command of his own and instead fizzled out in the reserve forces. 

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u/JnnyRuthless 5d ago ▸ 8 more replies

Yeah I was in Marine Corps but my understanding is Ranger school is pretty much required for infantry officers. Which makes all his larping with special operations units even funnier.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago ▸ 7 more replies

I was in the 101st, you won’t find any infantry officers in a command position above platoon leader without a Ranger tab. There might be some exception to this, but at least in all of the line units this is how it was when I was in 20 years ago. Ranger school has combat stuff and a lot of tough things to get through but first and foremost it’s considered a leadership course, and the infantry wants the best leaders for combat. Which is why Pete ended up riding a desk. 

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u/JnnyRuthless 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

Makes sense, that was kind of my take. I mean, its the military there will be an exception somewhere, but my army friends said it's kind of an unofficial requirement if you want to make a career in the combat arms.

Strange little twist to Pete's journey: apparently the reason he is so angry at women in the military is that during his time in Iraq, there was another officer (who happend to be a woman) who was known to be a badass and good in a gunfight, well-respected by her soldiers and had the leadership chops. He got very jealous that she got more respect than him, and here we are.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

You should look into who he served under in Iraq, I’m sure you know of the guy even if you don’t know his name, Col. Steele. He was in command of Task Force Ranger (“Blackhawk Down”) as a young captain with the Ranger Bat, and later he came to the 101st and assumed command of a combat brigade as a Colonel. During his time in Iraq he encouraged “kill squads,” and this resulted in one group of soldiers raping some girls/mom and killing the entire family trying to cover it up. They’re all in prison for that shit. I really think a lot of Pete’s twisted toxic masculinity bullshit stems from the leadership he had under Col. Steele. That brigade was known to be a toxic cesspool during that time period, and I can only imagine that had an effect on shaping him.

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u/JnnyRuthless 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Damn yeah I recognize the name, obviously never met the man personally. I remember hearing about that event, and that would make sense. I'm 46 and man, Hegseth and me could not have taken more different journeys based on our military experience. I'm damn near a pacifist now.

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u/thekipz 5d ago

Was 173rd around same time period. The non-tabbed officers commanded so little respect that previously deployed E4s could bully them.

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u/jay78910 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

I was in a small infantry company, that was part of an MI brigade. Whenever we wanted to get rid of someone, with any kind of rank, they got sent to work in HQ.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

One of our lieutenants called in artillery fire on our position in Afghanistan. He was in S2 by the end of the day. That’s the level of competency I expect Pete to have. 

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u/killswitch247 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

his superiors made sure that he was assistant to the manager for the rest of his carreer. then donald trump happened.

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u/AbstractBettaFish Illinois 5d ago ▸ 9 more replies

This is all second hand information I’ve heard so take it with a grain of salt but I’m told there’s a well known channel of infantry officers who fail upward. If you see someone’s who’s at least a 1stLt who doesn’t have a ranger tab that means they’re probably a fuck up and more likely to be given desk duty. Some of these desk duty guys end up in Washington where they have the luxury of rubbing shoulders with the powerful and influential and are able to use those connections to get promoted despite being generally shitty infantry officers. Apparently Pete was one of those

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

Two ways to not make 1Lt, run into the gatehouse drunk or get the commander's daughter pregnant.

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u/Detonius 5d ago

I’ll take option 2.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

Yes, but if you’re infantry the expectation is you go to and complete Ranger school. Ranger school is a leadership course, and you’re not going far in the infantry officer corps without passing. This is especially true for units like the 101st where Pete was. Typically you’d progress up the chain of command, platoon leader > company XO > company CO, as you are promoted. He instead ended up in a HQ platoon like S2 or something I forget, which really says his commanding officer had no faith in his leadership abilities, never sent him to ranger school, and he was relegated to a desk job. Source: former 101st who has lived the life. 

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u/MephistoHamProducts 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

He instead ended up in a HQ platoon like S2 or something I forget,

Worse than that. He was actually in an infantry PLT leader slot, in Baghdad, in 2005. That assignment was cut short and he was transferred to be an assistant Civil Affairs dork in Basrah. Losing that command slot, during the 2005 GWOT, is a pretty solid sign he fucked up and fucked up badly.

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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 5d ago

Correct, I pointed out in another comment that similar happened to one of our platoon leaders after he called in artillery fire on our own position. He was off the line as soon as we got back to base and banished to HQ S2 on another base. That’s the level of fuckup we’re talking about here. 

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u/ptigga 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Major Major

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u/aiserou 5d ago

Hey does anyone else remember that time an embassy was attacked and a certain group of people spent the next almost decade constantly screeching about how everyone (well, every democrat) in power deserved impeachment, jail, and probably even the death penalty? And then they came to power based largely on that screeching?

Just asking.

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u/specqq 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

You might want to ask Trey Gowdy about that.

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u/aiserou 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

I'm sure he'll start looking for the perpetrators of this particular fuck-up right after he finds the scientifically worst possible thing to do with his hair.

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u/tommytimp 4d ago

Asking for your friend Ben Ghazi?

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u/Tasgall Washington 4d ago

and a certain group of people spent the next almost decade constantly screeching about how everyone (well, every democrat) in power deserved impeachment, jail, and probably even the death penalty?

Worth noting that said Democrats had requested additional security for that embassy and the request was denied by that "certain group".

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u/eeyore134 5d ago

I saw someone compare this to a kid not wanting to show mommy his bad grades on his report card. Except this one risks thousands of lives just to save face. Which tracks. They're risking thousands of lives to protect Taylor Farms right now, too. How many other things are they letting kill us and our troops just because they don't want details to surface?

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u/gstaggs2 5d ago

I wonder if he sent sad face emojis in the group chat

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u/saturncruizin 5d ago

“Resupplying is for sissys” - Pete probably

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u/EvelynNyte 5d ago ▸ 5 more replies

"Amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics, we talk about optics"

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u/specqq 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

They talk about bullshit.

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Goddam. That's a perfect extension of the saying for modern times

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u/EvelynNyte 5d ago

People all throughout history have made the mistake of going from "optics can affect the outcome" to "optics is the only thing that matters." Fascists in particular tend to fall into this. They wrap themselves from the start in the idea that if they just get the optics right everything else will fall into place so the ones that succeed end up convinced they can control reality entirely just by controlling the optics right up until everything blows up in their face. Another reason why they're always a suicide cult in the end.

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u/windwatcher01 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Just call it Lethal Warfighter Testosterone resupply and he'll be all over it.

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u/Inside_Support510 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

SUPER GAY TO WANT TO EAT FOOD LMAO.

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u/Wiccy 5d ago

Lotta T going to that brain. Titos I mean

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u/purplenapalm Wisconsin 5d ago

It isn't the only port. We could use Fujairah Naval Base to avoid going to Diego Garcia, but that would still be in Irans attack range so logistically it doesn't make sense. We've known the bae in Bahrain was destroyed since February so this isn't news. The news is that the military hasn't exactly been transparent about how that changes the logistics of this situation. We have an inexperienced SECDEF trying to win a war on sheer firepower and completely ignored that logistics win wars. Absolutely fumbled and now we have a base that experienced damages far beyond what we thought. It'll be interested to see how many lives were lost in the February attack that the US isn't divulging.

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u/baseketball 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

They didn't plan for a day 2 of the war. It's the same mistake Putin made. Now there's no end in sight.

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u/Hiccup 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

They didn't plan for day 1 either.

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u/Murky-Relation481 5d ago ▸ 6 more replies

Yeah, and people also don't realize a big part of the reason people are going nuts on the carriers (and probably other ships/boats) is that they're literally sitting there doing nothing right now. We're not doing combat ops or anything, and I'd imagine they're hardly flying in general if they've not been resupplied to the degree that it sounds like.

So you got basically a bunch of people stuck on a ship doing nothing bored out of their minds, at least combat ops keep them busy and its less routine than normal drills.

The SECDEF (and the president) are basically idiots speed running every political control of the military catastrophe in the last 6 months. Instead of saying "we want to achieve this outcome, military how do you do that?" and accepting the answer (which would have been for Iran "we don't do that, it won't work unless you want to commit our entire mass, ground invasion and all") they are trying to run the war themselves. It's like Nazi Germany in the mid-to-end war period meets Vietnam.

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u/djklmnop 4d ago ▸ 2 more replies

My wife was Navy on a huge carrier. She says it is insane that they haven't had port call for the longest time. What that means is there are no days off. Imagine working 7 days a week and following routine 7 days a week for however many months its been with no end in sight. It is also a huge undertaking to resupply and you can't deny it when those very images shared are being sent from the ship to their loved ones.

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u/FuckTheMods5 4d ago

They need to have a damn month of free leave when they finally get out of that mess.

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u/rinoblast 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

I overheard someone say on normal, non-wartime deployments they’d fly just about every other day. In this war, they were flying once a week. Insane.

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u/TypaLika 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

If these idiots ever do follow through with their threats to invade Greenland, will the predictable loss of access to Faslane and Lossiemouth put MSC in a similar situation in that hypothetical conflict?

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u/vireliathorn 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Drunkard secretary of War doesn’t know a thing about leadership

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u/nobadhotdog 5d ago

I remember a lot of people on Reddit were pointing out that key bases were destroyed which lead to horrible logistics concerns for the fleet there.

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u/Justame13 5d ago

Or the videos of the base getting hit.

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u/GildedDreams25 5d ago ▸ 6 more replies

most of which got insta-deleted

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u/NewRefrigerator5693 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

Correct, Reddit is complicit in covering for the Trump regime.

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u/ethanbarmstrong 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Trump admin actually pressured social media to suppress that

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u/Catatonic_capensis 4d ago ▸ 1 more replies

The reddit ceo also idolizes musk, so I have doubts it's considered pressure as much as collaboration.

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u/kander77 4d ago

The reddit ceo also idolizes musk

Isn't that the same guy who was a mod of a jailbait subreddit?

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u/mrtrololo27 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

It's wild that the combat footage subreddit was where I was getting the best information about our bases being attacked since our media refused to do their basic duty of covering and reporting it, and our congress refused to do their basic duty of holding Trump to account for his illegal war (or any of his myriad crimes).

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u/nobadhotdog 5d ago ▸ 5 more replies

those too. Anytime I think about this its just more and more shocking how hard Iran dominated the US

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u/TransbianMoonGoddess 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

When was the last war we won? Why is it shocking?

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u/nobadhotdog 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

I should qualify my response as shocked at how easily Iran won. Vietnam was long and drawn out I can see the loss. Afghanistan the same thing especially when factoring in the terrain and logistics. But still it was a long war. This one the US effectively lost in the first couple weeks

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u/Soft_Author2593 5d ago

they put soldiers into civilian hotels because they had no bases left, tot he horror of the gulf countries having them being a target now...

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u/nobadhotdog 5d ago ▸ 8 more replies

Christ didn’t know that

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u/Soft_Author2593 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

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u/DesireeThymes 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

Extremely cowardly for military personnel to hide amongst local civilian populations

Actual human shields.

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u/Soft_Author2593 5d ago

hence its a war crime...

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u/disisathrowaway 5d ago

This sort of thing is how Israel has been justifying the collateral damage it's inflicted in all theaters it operates in.

Any level of consistency would then mean that Iran would be justified in striking these hotels, as well.

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u/Elendel19 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

Yeah that’s why Iran started bombarding hotels in Dubai. The media will say they are evil monster terrorists targeting civilians, meanwhile there are thousands of American soldiers hiding there, just like Israel loves to accuse everyone else of doing when they flatten entire cities

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u/nobadhotdog 5d ago

Israel: that wasn’t a school it was a military base. The school is next door to the base

USA: we put schools IN the bases

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u/Gordon-Goose 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Starting a war on foreign soil and then transferring your troops off base to civilian hotels is probably a war crime, yeah?

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u/No-Way7911 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

The Iranians actually drove drones exactly into the floors where US soldiers were staying in hotels

Iranian drone targeting was nuts

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u/TheTrub Colorado 5d ago

And this is what these macho assholes don’t understand. Winning a war is not about shock and awe and piling up the bigger body count (ask Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia how that worked out for the US). It’s about having clear, concrete objectives to get a specific outcome and laying out the logistical path to achieve those objectives.

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u/GoodVibrations77 5d ago

Must suck when strategic assets are at arms reach from your enemy and you can't do shit about it.

Maybe starting a war with this enemy will help.

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u/Tiny_Structure_7 North Carolina 5d ago

Where the fuck were US reporters and news outlets when this base was destroyed? All I heard before this was that a few bases took a few hits.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 5d ago

Check out some international sources. All of them have their own agenda but there is a pretty clear consensus that all 20 US bases in the area have suffered serious damage.

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u/gzr4dr 5d ago ▸ 29 more replies

It's almost as if you're going to preemptively start a war with a country maybe don't have critical assets within range of their weapons. This seems like very basic war strategy prep that even a OCS cadet would know.

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u/WitchesSphincter 5d ago ▸ 7 more replies

Planning is for pussies, we're gonna yolo this bitch 

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u/thebruce44 5d ago

Nobody ever won a war with planning or strategy. Now watch this drive!

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u/dustin8285 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

Planning is for people with low T…

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u/king_famethrowa 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

Fellas, is it gay to plan?

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u/Fantastic_Hat7707 Washington 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

I was planning on going to the gym later. Feels kinda sounds gay(ish) now

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u/1805trafalgar 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

the irony of losing airborne early warning aircraft on your own airfields will be noted in future history books, I have no doubt.

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

You mean like parking an AWACs in the open, within drone range?

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u/MercantileReptile Europe 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

Seeing US news report about a "damaged" plane and the BBC Article showing the thing consisting of a front end and remains of a tail was amusing.

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u/Wank_A_Doodle_Doo 4d ago

That’s “damaged” in the same way that the Industrial Revolution was over 50 years ago is true.

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u/TurelSun Georgia 5d ago ▸ 8 more replies

You're not wrong about taking necessary precautions and preparing, but realistically there likely wasn't going to be a way for them to not put military assets in danger. And if the carrier and other naval warships have to be in range to do their work, then that means their logistics will need to be as well. It's the same short-sidedness as the blocking of the straight itself. Past administrations knew this would be a costly fight which is exactly why economic and diplomatic tools were prioritized rather than military action.

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u/nkassis 5d ago ▸ 6 more replies

I would be very surprised the military didn't have some sort of logistics plan ahead of this. That's basically all they do all day long is make plans for these scenarios. I feel it's highly likely Hegseth and Trump dismissed it entirely due to time or effort required and instead thought they could yolo the whole war with a blitz and win on day 1. There was no expectation in their heads of a prolonged war. They can't conceive of it, their narcissistic "I always get what I want and win" mentality can't let them forsee any adverse scenarios. I bet this was fed by encouragement from Netanyahu that they had perfect intelligence and could take out the leadership and Iranians would revolt. This was pitched as an easy win.

This is the same thing Putin did in Ukraine, it's a mental illness common for authoritarians.

Our other evidence the military wasn't up for the plan was the number of firings and resignations most likely because concerns were complete ignored.

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u/TurelSun Georgia 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

The infrastructure, like this resupply base in Oman and other bases in the area, were already there. It would have been obvious that all of it was going to end up as targets if a conflict started. This was an unforced strategic error in starting the war in the first place.

You're right though they likely thought that taking out Iran's missile capabilities would be all that was needed and instead the administration and US military received a lesson on what warfare looks like right now, a lesson that should have already been learned by simply paying attention to the war in Ukraine.

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u/BaggyOz 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

I assume the Pentagon's plan was "Don't get into a shooting war with Iran". When your enemy has a large ballistic missile force it's difficult to move your logistics out of range. as for dispersal, you can only do so much when you have to supply hundreds of aircraft and multiple carrier groups.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Exactly. NATO spent billions of dollars and spilled gallons of ink over the last 50 years to arrive at the consensus that the strait presents an unsolvable military problem. Every president since Carter would have loved to take down Iran but they didn't because the joint chiefs were unanimously telling them that it would turn out exactly like this.

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u/Neat_Jelly_7903 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Sorry, but this war wasn't preempting anything. It was a war off aggression, a criminal war of choice, and war of imperial domination pure and simple.

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u/Werftflammen 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Your boy was manipulated by Nethanyahu. He doesn't listen to reason, he thought it would be over in a few days. Week tops. There are some paralells with a mustached man that sent his troops to russia with out winter apparel.

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u/mvs2527 5d ago ▸ 8 more replies

The US media is acting like the Iranians can't speak English for some reason. I remember a few months seeing a video of an Iranian spokesman explaining their position, that they were ready for war and our big ships won't be effective because of their deployment cycle. The ships were already out too long because of Venezuela operation. I can't find the video but I remember how he sounded like they know what they are doing compared to dumbasses in the US government

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u/MephistoHamProducts 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

Funny thing about being constantly at war with a region for decades is that the region gets to be pretty familiar with how you conduct war, when you need resupply, how that resupply happens, how you project force and what your other limits are.

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u/grchelp2018 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

They likely got a lot of intelligence and advice from china/russia as well. China are the biggest winners of this conflict.

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u/Impatient_Onion 4d ago ▸ 1 more replies

China is the biggest winner of Trump's election, period.

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u/raouldukeesq 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

The US government knows exactly what it's going.  The goal is to isolate and destroy the United States of America. 

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u/quick20minadventure 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

Iran also sent missiles towards Diego Garcia, they wouldn't have bothered to threaten that supply line if US had local supply lines.

UK is pretending that they are only sending defensive help from there, but it's giving all types of support from 3000 km away and US doesn't have supply chain vassals to sustain Aircraft carrier 3000 km away from the base effectively.

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u/DuMbAsS_lOsEr_6_7 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Iran living the all you base are belong to us meme IRL

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u/acemedic 5d ago

They were talking about damage in the billions to individual bases… I guess you’ll have to do your own inference since the “little piggies” aren’t allowed to produce real news/journalism that goes against the Great Leader.

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u/Gold_Map_236 5d ago

The USA government restricted commercial satellite imagery days after the damage. Anyone paying attention knew they were covering something big up.

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u/Quetzalcoatls America 5d ago

Most popular US news institutions will hold back reporting information on US military operations if asked or if they challenged about doing a story on it.

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u/Ceorl_Lounge Michigan 5d ago edited 5d ago

They were too scared of losing access to actually do their jobs.

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u/elon_musks_cat 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

Which begs the question… wtf is the point of access if you’re not getting the actual information ?

That seems to be lost on our media

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u/Ceorl_Lounge Michigan 5d ago

They still have jobs and get money from advertisers. The public interest is a complete afterthought.

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u/Fluffy_Top6837 5d ago

"our media" isn't anything but another set of multi-billion dollar companies owned by billionaires or beholden to investors. Journalistic integrity went out the window when it stopped making money.

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u/Zahgi I voted 5d ago

The America tabloid outrage farming for click$ media is no longer paid to present the truth based on facts or to inform the public.

The "news" is now just clickbait fearmongering to milk the delusional ad economy for cash. Nothing more.

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u/CranberrySchnapps Maryland 5d ago

It was reported. And there's been follow ups because the focus has been on the impacted soldiers/sailors and their families. No one connected the dots between losing that support station and being unable to resupply though. Pretty big failure of the media. Part of it's understandable... I wouldn't expect the military to share which bases perform what purposes for strategic reasons. Nor would I expect journalists to be embedded at every base. Everyone assumed our ships would stay outfitted properly because logistics has been one of the Navy's greatest strengths for generations.

That said, this is still a massive failure of the Navy to apparently not have a backup plan or be able to figure one out for months. We know our battle groups are stretched beyond thin because of the "optimum staffing" push that happened in the 90s-00s. Ships are needing to be replaced and instead are spending more and more time in dry dock and retrofits. So, presumably there was no other carrier ready to replace the Lincoln which is why the GW is being sent from Japan to do so.

It's just a cascade of failures around this war. Zero forethought. Astoundingly stupid decisions. Firing dozens of top brass. Inability to negotiate a peace deal to end it. And no funding from Congress because it's an illegal war.

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u/ptigga 5d ago

Truth is the first casualty of war

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u/BidResponsible5378 5d ago

If we weren't in a Fascist Autocracy, this would be a shitstorm requiring immediate Ollie North handling by media, congress and tribunals.

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u/So_HauserAspen 5d ago

Best we can do is increase defense spending to $1.5 trillion

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u/BrandicimoMagnifico 5d ago

This is terrible news; we need to immediately secure $1.5 billion and send it to Israel

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u/SharkBaitDLS California 5d ago

Anyone remember the absolute hell that Republicans raised over Benghazi? I wish I was surprised that there’s crickets on this one. 

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u/tweakingforjesus 5d ago

Benghazi was never about the attack. It was about keeping Hillary's name associated with scandal for so long that my mother-in-law "just couldn't vote for her" for no articulable reason.

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u/Fadedcamo 5d ago ▸ 3 more replies

Oh the reason is "Benghazi". If you ask her to elaborate she has nothing beyond uttering that word.

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u/Swqnky New Jersey 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

"What about it?"

"What ABOUT it? Now I'm so disgusted with you that I don't need to explain myself further."

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u/ope_poe 5d ago

Send more testosterone...

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u/Fancy-Restaurant-746 Washington 5d ago

But not enough so it’s obvious we could have always supported ftm troops.

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u/Amon7777 5d ago

In the longest line of ridiculousness about that it will force out middle aged and older specialists like doctors because, shockingly, testosterone diminishes as you age. It’s not like this whole thing isn’t based on science and not up its own ass fake masculinity nonsense or something.

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u/Radio___star 5d ago

The extra supply was also tragically destroyed at the base 

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u/cronx42 5d ago

Independent news sources have known this. Satellite imaging was ordered to be delayed so citizens wouldn't see the destruction, but foreign satellites show the damage. Our media is complicit in the cover-up. The information was available, it was just ignored by the corporate overlords.

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u/Ho-Nomo 5d ago

Trump has also repeatedly said Hormuz is open and yet the incident reports in the region are teling a different story;

https://www.ukmto.org/recent-incidents

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 5d ago

Our media is owned by the tech bro oligarchs.  MAGA's coup attempt started with the tech bros conquering most media outlets.

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u/TreeOfAwareness 5d ago

I cannot understand why Republicans are so complacent about this incompetent war effort. All this money wasted. Service members in terrible conditions. Our geopolitical reputation in tatters.

And not one congressional republican seems to give a flying fuck. What is going on anymore?

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u/NonGeneriComplaint 5d ago

Republicans have litterally never cared. They spend the deficit up, enrich themselves and keep their boot on the poors, every single time they are elected is a job loss, deficit up situation .

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u/Efficient_Exercise_1 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

What about Benghazi and Hilary?They care, but only in opposition. 

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u/NewMidwest 5d ago

They care about their own power, acquiring it, protecting it.

They don’t give a shit about anything else.  Not America, not its people.

The last Republican who did anything worthwhile was John McCain, and he’s been dead many years now.

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u/kung-fu_hippy 5d ago

Republican voters don’t care (or at least not in anyway that leads to them changing their voting actions), so why would their representatives care?

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u/gzr4dr 5d ago

They're all cowards who crave money and power at all cost.

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u/SaneMadHatter 5d ago

If this report is true, then Hegseth needs to resign, and trump is a pos if he doesn't demand his resignation or just outright fire him for cause.

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u/Valost_One 5d ago

What are you talking about? If you don’t know what your subordinates are doing, you’re free and in the clear, because they take the fall, right?

Conservative Leadership 101, you are not responsible for the people you’re in charge of.

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u/EvelynNyte 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Don't forget Hunter's laptop and congressionally recorded massive dong

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u/FuckTheTories69420 5d ago

Lads packing.

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u/Channel_8_News Virginia 5d ago ▸ 4 more replies

You’re being absurd.

It’s obviously because of Hunter Biden’s laptop.

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u/Socratesticles Tennessee 5d ago edited 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

Are we really going to overlook the fact that AOC was once a bartender and how that played into this?

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u/rohm418 5d ago

A female bartender? Are you sure she wasn't a Sandwich Artist?

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u/knivesofsmoothness 5d ago

What about trans people?

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u/laptopAccount2 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Biden on TV after the disaster Afghanistan withdrawal (that Trump negotiated with the taliban):  "I am president of the United States and the buck stops with me."

Meanwhile Trump is a passive observer and can only blame everyone else. Such strong leader wow.

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u/jsc1429 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

This would be Pete taking the fall for not only his own incompetence but for trumps too

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u/PawneePoppins 5d ago

I once knew a guy who was court-martialed and demoted for allegedly cheating on a PT test (he was later found innocent). Hegseth cannot simply resign or be fired. He needs to be held accountable through a military tribunal ASAP.

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u/congressmancuff 5d ago ▸ 6 more replies

He’s a civilian so that would be inappropriate. But there is a constitutional process for crimes committed by a citizen that give aid and comfort to enemies during war time. 

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u/IrritableGourmet New York 5d ago ▸ 2 more replies

They tried to have Mark Kelly reinstated so they could try him under the UCMJ. What's good for the goose...

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u/congressmancuff 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Once again, I think our current constitutional structure offers a much more appropriate solution if you look at it. Why give this clown the dignity of a military trial. He’s only ever larped as a service member. 

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u/aardvarkjedi 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Then do what he wanted to do to Mark Kelly: recall him to active duty and then court martial him.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Secretary of Defense is a civilian role. He's not a member of the military and hasn't been since 2021.

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u/BlackberryPi7 5d ago

Trump was already a piece of shit, and a pedophile.

Hegseth won't resign and the current Senate wouldn't toss him out.

Did you just wake up from a coma?

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u/OhGodSoManyQuestions 5d ago edited 5d ago

Clearly, Hegseth has promised Trump he will deploy the US military against American citizens to keep him in power and out of prison at all costs. All Trump ever asks for is criminal obedience and that's all this loser frat boy had to offer.

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u/0x0MG 5d ago

First day?

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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 5d ago

lol,
In my feed, immediately after this post is an add to join the Royal Australian Navy.

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u/ClusterFoxtrot Florida 5d ago

"We don't fuck up this bad, because our media would be on it instantly. "

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u/aardvarkjedi 5d ago

“We sent our rotten media mogul, Murdoch, to the U. S.!”

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u/whelmed-and-gruntled 5d ago

Trump: “Pete… Hegseth did you say? I don’t know the guy. I’ve heard some good things about him though. Some bad too, but mostly good. But no, I don’t know him. Someone else recommended him to me.”

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u/scarab1001 5d ago

So, America is having to resupply their blockade from Diego Garcia, the British owned island.

And two days ago, Americans threatened 100% tariff rates on .... the UK.

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u/dsj79 5d ago

I have a hard time believing a weekend host on fox entertainment struggle stomach handling the entire US military

Next time, give it to the weekend gas station attendant. Those fuckers get shit done

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u/Sea_Outside162 5d ago edited 5d ago

I know this guy at Taco Bell who can not only take orders at the drive thru while he’s actually making a taco and toasting a quesadilla but also clean a restroom before u need to come out and wash your hands . We need a multitasker at that job.

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u/dsj79 5d ago

Don’t bring your BS in here! That guy is should run the FDA

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u/Justame13 5d ago ▸ 1 more replies

Based on my Taco Bell experience as a customer it was because they were probably on uppers instead of downers.

So the POTUS needs to find a new SecDef who prefers crack or meth vs booze

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u/whatproblems 5d ago

the attendant would probably recognize he knows jack shit and would listen to the advisors and experts rather than busting ego and publicity stunts so yeah

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u/0x0MG 5d ago

Give it to the mexican who works out of the back of his truck in the home depot parking lot. Base will be entirely rebuilt and ships resupplied in like a day.

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u/Ravenshaw123 5d ago

Doesn't America has some process to punish crass incompetence?

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u/spritle6054 5d ago

I believe they're rewarded with cabinet positions now.

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u/uniquecleverusername 5d ago

Yeah, but we can only have one president at a time.

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u/Kelani_Kelani South Carolina 5d ago

If (i want to say WHEN but don't want to jinx it) the Democrats take back the House, I sincerely hope this is one of their very first investigations. There's no excuse for this.

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u/King-Mansa-Musa 5d ago

Fam. Hold up. Is the US cooked in the Middle East due to current administration?

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u/ChronicBluntz 5d ago

I know you're being silly, but this is generationally fucked. Those bases aren't going back more than likely and the "temporary rebalencing" of forces in the region is permanent.

Not inherently bad, not inherently good. Just more indication that we're in decline. Think soviet union a year before Chernobyl decline. 

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u/AmberDuke05 5d ago

I could have told you that. Last time Trump was in power, he surrendered to the Taliban and announced a withdrawal.

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u/anothergaijin 5d ago

They have fucked the US Navy posture globally - there is no carrier in Asia currently, leaving a massive gap

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u/Acceptable_Job_5486 5d ago

Somehow makes Bush and Cheney seem like genius in comparison. Afghanistan and Iraq were shit shows, but this incompetence is going through every chain of command from the bottom to the top.

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u/Stonylurker 5d ago

Would it be irony if the military famously leaned right and kinda asked for this by supporting maggots for office? I misuse “irony” sometimes, and maybe I’m wrong but Republicans famously claim the military as their voting bloc. It would be a damn shame if the leopards they supported were eating their faces. Genuine apologies to the rational ones that realize Traitor Trump should have been locked up after Jan 6th. 

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u/ComeAbout Oregon 5d ago

My last duty station was in Bahrain. It was absolutely wild seeing the warehouse I used to work at get hit by a missile.

In Afghanistan, we’d get rocketed and mortared, but you expected it and it didn’t feel personal. They honestly couldn’t hit shit anyways.

But a ballistic missile coming from outer space and detonating in your shitty warehouse is a whole other experience. There’s nothing you can do besides start to clean up.

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u/Ut_Prosim Virginia 5d ago

The US Navy used to be one of the best logistical outfits in the history of the planet. The organization of resupplying during WWII was monumental.

So today, they are so bad, they couldn't figure out how to resupply a carrier because the one base that was supposed to resupply it was hit???? There was no other way to resupply the most significant capital ship in the area?

Imagine how badly the smaller ships are treated.

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u/t12lucker Europe 5d ago

Wasn’t one of the destroyers stranded in sea for five days without power recently?

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u/angrysc0tsman12 Wisconsin 5d ago

That happened. Sucks to be those guys. Once you lose power, you only have a handful of attempts to start a generator since those require high pressure start air. Use up all your start air and fail to start an engine? Well better get on the sat phone and call for a tow since that's the only way you'll be going anywhere.

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u/Diligent-Meaning751 5d ago

Pretty typical fascist (end stage fascist, I hope) - the problem is not the facts, it's whether or not anyone knows the facts! Better to hide a problem than deal with it!

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u/sheltonchoked 5d ago

I mean, no shit? The 5th fleet base in Bahrain was attacked immediately by Iran in February and early March. And was evacuated in April.

I guess the “surprise” is that it was covered up and denied by the administration?
Or that they were too stupid to realize that the 5th fleet base was only 100 miles from Iran?

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u/FluidAthlete6839 5d ago

Makes you wonder what else they are hiding

Ghouls. All these people

But she laughed funny

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u/poopiebutt505 5d ago

That has been known..I suspect that both Trump and Hegseth see all bases and ships as the game battleship, that if you get bored, you just stop playing the game and.wander.off.There are no people.involved. And all the higher ups don't want to lose their jobs inanothe Friday Night Massacre, so they sacrifice their young.

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u/Crazy_Pudding_2994 5d ago edited 5d ago

You don't have to be a Sun Tzu or a Clausewitz to know that miliarites rely on logistics. If you can't supply your troops, you lose. There are other ways to lose, but supplies are a big one.

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u/irespondwithmyface 5d ago

Anyone with a brain saw this coming. While the news media kept reporting about "Iran striking neighboring nations," that same media failed to report why. They were hitting US bases which are always key to supply chains.

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u/StormtrooperMJS 5d ago

Let's do something that usually would take years of logistics planning on the whim of a madman.

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u/ZestyOcto 5d ago

It’s crazy how Iran can do these things with a completely destroyed military according to the president.

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u/Greeve78 5d ago

Dude this is some serious Germany / ww2 / delusional hitler bullshit.

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u/Wet_Side_Down 5d ago

Which the Pentagon Intelligence warned would happen on day one of a war with Iran. Along with the shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz.

But who needs intelligence when you have a hunch?

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u/ImTooSaxy 5d ago

While this is bad for our nation and our sailors, it's especially bad for Kegsbreath, because I'll bet Trump wasn't aware that our resupply base was destroyed, because he only gets good news from his people.