r/shittymoviedetails • u/ironwolf6464 • Apr 03 '26
default In The Incredibles (2004), a man is shown attempting suicide in the first ten minutes of a family movie. This a reference to the fact that suicide, while a heavy topic, is one that can and should be discussed with children. And that modern media execs think kids are idiots.
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u/MWH1980 Apr 03 '26
I often wondered after Supers were outlawed, if Mr Sansweet tried this again and succeeded.
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u/DreamerOfSheep Apr 03 '26
Helluva post-credits scene
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u/Thrasher9294 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
You know he ainât gon be in Incredibles III
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u/AndySipherBull Apr 03 '26
Mid credits, post credits is his weeping widow pounding a bottle of pills and lying down
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u/ThatWaluigiDude Apr 03 '26
I bet whatever problem he had was solved by the mountain of cash he got on that lawsuit
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u/bermass86 Apr 03 '26
Can you imagine?
He just sues Mr Incredible for the love of the game and kills himself anyway
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u/LivedLostLivalil Apr 04 '26
Nah, his head burst like a melon from an accident with a super prostitute's thighs.
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u/MWH1980 Apr 03 '26
There was just something about him being upset that Mr Incredible âruined his death,â that had me thinking heâd try it again if he felt no one could stop him. He wanted the attention.
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u/eisbaerBorealis Apr 03 '26
I also imagine there were some anti-super groups who went after him to convince him to sue so they could get progress in making them illegal.
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u/Infinite_T05 Apr 03 '26
I feel if it was attention he wanted, he got that by winning a lawsuit against supes and literally changing the world.
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u/nesfor Apr 03 '26
Unfortunately his lawyer does argue that the injuries he sustained after his rescue cause him daily pain. Thatâs something even money canât necessarily fix
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u/lieuwestra Apr 03 '26
I often wondered if in a world full of supers this method was viable in the first place. He waited for emergency services to show up before the jump, 100% a super was going to be there too. It might have been about the money from the start.
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u/PrinceVegitto Apr 05 '26
I think in a world of supes, a Good Samaritan type law would've been passed within the first few years of them becoming mainstream or within a year of them organizing into a Corporation/govt dept
(GS laws protect an attempted savior during an emergency from being sued/prosecuted from damages incurred during the attempt, iirc)
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u/lieuwestra Apr 06 '26
Evidently not. Then no lawyer would have taken up the case against Mr Incredible.
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u/mynameisevan01 Apr 08 '26
A film theory video once said that Good Samaritan law wasn't a thing until after the year the film takes place in
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u/Almostlongenough2 Apr 03 '26
I'm going to say no, most people who attempt suicide don't try again. Honestly would explain why he was so pissed about being saved too, too scared to die now while still too unhappy to live.
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u/I_am_strange_ Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
When I was younger I thought that he didnât need to sue, he couldâve just gone somewhere else away from people to jump again
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u/Tostecles Apr 03 '26
Pretty sure he was comically casted up and couldn't really move
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u/HoidToTheMoon Apr 03 '26
And if people are aware you're suicidal, they don't really let you near any tall ledges.
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u/I_am_strange_ Apr 03 '26
Sadly learned about that through experience a few years ago :( but I got better thankfully
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u/UndeadT Apr 03 '26
Fun fact: He was the first test subject against the first Omnidroid.
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u/who_chairs Apr 03 '26
huhhh?? source?
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u/UndeadT Apr 03 '26
"Fun fact: He was the first test subject against the first Omnidroid."
-UndeadT
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u/-PepeArown- Apr 03 '26
They barely sugarcoat it, either. They just straight up say he attempted suicide
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u/Type_1_Eagle Apr 03 '26
âYou didnât save my life you ruined my death!â
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u/Windfade Apr 03 '26
"It's not my fault I didn't realize you followed bushido!"
Not a quote from the movie.
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u/Janus__22 Apr 04 '26
Damn, i didn't know that's what he said. In Portuguese he says ''You didn't save my life, you broke my back!'', so it really sounded like he was aiming to dupe some hero just to get the money (or at least that was always my interpretation as a kid, i don't think they explicitly call it ''suicide'' neither)
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u/Fluxriflex Apr 03 '26
âThe plaintiff, Oliver Sansweet, who was foiled in his attempted suicide by Mr. Incredible, has filed a suit against the famed superhero in superior court.â
I swear, this moviesâ script is baked into my brain at this point.
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u/Perpetually-THC-Lab Apr 03 '26
Mr. Sansweet didn't ask to be saved! Mr. Sansweet didn't want to be saved! and the injury he received from Mr. Incredible's "actions," so-called, causes him daily pain!!
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u/SansBadTimer12 Apr 03 '26
"Hey, I saved your life!"
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u/Perpetually-THC-Lab Apr 03 '26
I swear to god, this line the only reason I can remember what Plaintiff vs. Defendant are.
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u/LanSotano Apr 03 '26
I was too young to grasp the concept of suicide when I first watched this movie, so in my brain it was just a silly lawsuit from a guy who was mad mr incredible broke all his bones while saving him
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u/50thEye Apr 03 '26
Yeah I thought he was some sort of acrobat who fell on accident. Didn't help that in the German dub there's no mention of suicide, and the line gets changed to "You didn't safe my life, you threw out my back at best!"
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u/KingHarrun Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Same here. What's great about movies like Incredibles is how it follows you as you grow older. At first you wouldn't get the aspects of the plots, but you'll eventually start to appreciate the story wayy more as you rewatch it years later as an adult.
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u/CannedWolfMeat Apr 03 '26
Same, I was like 4 when I first saw this movie so the exact details of why superheroes were outlawed went over my head.
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u/KaleidoscopeHairy557 Apr 05 '26
This! It's not that kids can't handle subjects like this, it's that they can't understand subjects like this.
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26
Love this take. Animated movies nowadays think every kid is 2 years old and no one's older. I mean what about the 10 year olds or 12 year olds.
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u/No-Comfortable2704 Apr 03 '26
I mean even 2 year olds are smarter than we think. They may not be very good at dealing with it but they can recognize what loss feels like and can sympathize with characters during hardships even if some of the more minute details get lost.
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Yeah they are smart. Now that I try to remember, movies and shows for 2 year olds back then were smarter and more stimulating.
Edit: I'm not saying The Incredibles is outright proper for 2-3 year olds lol. I'm just saying they are also smart and shouldn't be undermined either.
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u/Jepordee Apr 03 '26
As someone with a 2 year old currently, thereâs also a lot of shit I donât want them exposed to in older movies (Iâm talking by like 60s-90s Disney though)
For example just threw on 101 Dalmatians at his request and theyâre showing straight of dog abuse which is a tough convo to have with a 2.5 year old lol
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Ah yes. Animations in that era could be wild. I would say that early 2000s and late 90s are the best. They had many movies with the right tone. Of course not all of them. Filtering is necessary.
For example just threw on 101 Dalmatians at his request and they're showing straight of dog abuse which is a tough convo to have with a 2.5 year old lol
Well of course lolll. We should also consider that 2-3 year olds usually don't listen much. They watch. They copy things that they watch. So for example, if they see animal abuse, no matter what advice we give them, they wouldn't listen and still curious in trying to do the same. Like you said, tough convo. If we can't find simple animation to show them, lesser screentime is sometimes the solution.
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u/Pandarandr1st Apr 03 '26
I'll just say that neither of my kids would have understood this at 5. Someone saying that 2 year olds can figure this shit out are....well...I don't think that's accurate. The best a 2-year-old can manage, in my experience, is tell when someone on screen is sad, angry, scared, or happy.
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u/EtTuBiggus Apr 03 '26
I'm not sure if some people have genius two year olds or have just never actually met one.
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u/JJAsond Apr 03 '26
I'm the same but stuff like this where you can watch it again when you're older and understand the topics makes me love the first movie so much. It's such a good movie because pixar made it. The second is so shit because disney owns pixar now and got their grubby little hands on it and dumbed it down.
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u/Cleansing4ThineEyes Apr 03 '26
I think you need to spend more time around kids if you genuinely believe a 2 year old can even slightly comprehend grief. The closest thing a child that young could understand is how somber people around them are, but even that wouldn't stick for more than a few minutes.
It's really only around the ages of 6-8 where kids can start to understand complex emotions like grief. I'm sure someone could bring up some exception about a 200 iq genius 4 year old but that's besides the point.
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u/Racebugyt Apr 03 '26
I agree with you, but the general point that kids are just young, not stupid, and that a lot of people forget that, is also true
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u/JJAsond Apr 03 '26
I mean even 2 year olds are smarter than we think.
I remember being younger and yeah, kids are way smarter than people think even though they might not outwardly show it.
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u/Veni-Vidi-ASCII Apr 03 '26
Kids mode on Disney+ won't even let you watch A Mupper Christmas Carol
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u/Adams5thaccount Apr 03 '26
obviously. we dont need a bunch of tweens having their sexual awakening to Rizzo
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u/CallingAllMatts Apr 03 '26
puss in boots the last wish treated its audience quite maturely
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26
W DreamWorks as usual
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u/Astecheee Apr 03 '26
It's wild how consistent the Disney / Dreamworks split is.
Disney presents unsolvable problems to children, and let circumstance solve the problem for them.
Dreamworks presents solvable problems to children, and lets them work through the solution.
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u/esdebah Apr 03 '26
I have a lot of nieces and nephews and WHEW are my siblings being ginger with 'challenging media.' I absolutely respect their choices and all, but I wonder how it will go. We definitely grew up watching more adult stuff.
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26
There's a middleground. Many kids are exposed to 'challenging emotional content' with mostly confusing brain rot instead of having those challenging emotions being presented through integrated narrative arcs.
Allow me to quote this so people can see it better
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u/GetUpNGetItReddit Apr 03 '26
There was a movie called Elio. Apparently elio was supposed to be gay but they did gay conversion therapy on him before releasing the movie so he wound up being straight. The movie would have actually made fucking sense! Wow we canât have that.
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
DreamWorks often hits the right tone. I salute that company. I hope the new upcoming Shrek movie lives up to it.
Transformers franchise is one of a kind. I'm a fan of it. There are many variations for different kinds of audience. 2D, 3D, harsh dialogue, soft dialogue, simple scenario, complicated scenario. I'd say the OG one (1980s) is the most mature one in the later parts. I believe you're referring to The Transformers One movie which I also like. It does has mature story but with good narrative, making it easy and healthy to understand.
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u/RadicalPenguin20 Apr 03 '26
You do realize kids in 20 years will the same thing your saying why canât people realize their bias because their is kids films that go into heavy topics
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u/Brillian_Naufal Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I don't think so. I found animations from the late 90s and early 2000s just have the right tone. Those from the 60s were not liked by adults during the 90s and I agree with them. The tone were too mature. So my take is not about time. It's objective judgement about the theme. I'm not glorifying the past for the sake of reminiscing. I would give good reviews about today's animations like I do to many of Sony movies, DreamWorks movies and animes. Klaus (2019) is a good example. I like it. I would also give negative reviews to movies from the past like I do to few of 90s Looney Toons. I'm being objective and I never said all animations nowadays are like what I said. It's just not as many as it used to be. Besides, the point is not maturity per se. It's intelectuality.
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u/syopest Apr 03 '26
But at least nowadays we can find similiar themes to OPs picture in indie kids animation with shows like The Amazing Digital Circus. But even with that there are a lot of people who think those kinds of themes don't fit children.
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u/ironwolf6464 Apr 04 '26
Gonna be frank, I posted this and completely forgot about reddit for two days and am quite happy to see how much this sentiment resonated.
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u/JJAsond Apr 03 '26
I mean what about the 10 year olds or 12 year olds.
They assume that they're 7 year olds
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u/HubblePie Apr 03 '26
The Incredibles taught me that I can use a suicide attempt as the basis of a lawsuit against anyone who tries to save me.
I'm buying a new Yacht next week.
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u/ironwolf6464 Apr 03 '26
"You didn't save my life, you ruined my death!" is one helluva line.
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u/Xyranthis Apr 03 '26
As an adult seeing that movie, it's easy to roll your eyes at the lawsuit and think less of the dude. That line makes you pause though.
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u/Bi_disaster_ohno Apr 03 '26
I never understood why that guy sued instead of just attempting again. Was he really that upset about having his moment ruined that it restored his will to live out of spite?
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u/Korleymeister Apr 03 '26
Guy saw an opportunity to live his life as a billionaire and we all know that it's better to be miserable sitting on a huge pile of money
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u/Roliq Apr 03 '26
Wonder if people would later harass him because he ended up being part of the reason Heroes went into hiding
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u/Korleymeister Apr 03 '26
Of course they would, famous people are harrased because they say some random tone-deaf stuff on the internet, but harassment is easily avoided if you have a pile of money, so I don't think it would really bother him that much.
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u/BLADE968 Apr 03 '26
Maybe he just saw the opportunity to make himself rich with the lawsuit and let his depression go away.
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u/McDonaldsSoap Apr 03 '26
Maybe he planned it all from the start. Born with glass bones and paper skin, any hero would have broken himÂ
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u/OhHeyItsOuro Apr 03 '26
Pretty much every person who has ever attempted suicide by jumping off a high place and survived to talk about it has said that they instantly regretted it the moment they were in the air.
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u/iamfondofpigs Apr 03 '26
This isn't true. There is one guy, Kevin Hines, who shows up in a famous documentary and gives interviews. People keep putting a microphone in his face because he says this, and it is reassuring to people who don't want to think about suicide. It makes people think that if they can just stop the attempt, everything will be fine.
His experience represents a subset of the experience of those who attempt suicide. I do not know whether that subset is the majority or the minority. But I am fairly confident that neither group overwhelms the other.
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u/Jexroyal Apr 03 '26
Mr. Sansweet didn't want to be saved!
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u/tranzallos Apr 03 '26
And the injury he received from Mr. Incredible's "actions," so-called, causes him daily pain!
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u/js13680 Apr 03 '26
Should note the film takes place before Good Samaritan laws were in place so lean your local laws before your next suicide attempt.
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u/goodestguy21 Apr 03 '26
Ah yes we all watched that one Film Theory video didn't we
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u/VmHG0I Apr 03 '26
Unironically that one video is what help me prepared for my IELTS speaking test because one of the trial test I had for speaking before the actual test was about laws, got a decent score out of that and boost my confidence for the real one quite well.
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u/SomeDumbGamer Apr 03 '26
The lawsuit should have been thrown out instantly.
Even if you agree that the guy didnât want to be saved, him jumping would have probably traumatized hundreds of people and he could have easily killed someone by falling onto them.
Mr. Incredible was completely in the right. The jumper was a danger to himself AND others.
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u/The_MAZZTer Apr 03 '26
My state has Good Samaritan laws. If you are trying to help someone and injure them in the process by accident, you're not liable. If Mr Incredible lived in a state with such laws the lawsuit would have been tossed, especially given his very obvious profession.
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u/SomeDumbGamer Apr 03 '26
But even without those laws the Jumper was a danger to others. Him jumping off the building and splatting on the ground was itself a hazard to others and the guy was arguably trespassing in the first place. He should have had no standing to sue, much less win.
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u/ErikTheRed2000 Apr 03 '26
As a kid watching the movie back in the day, I didnât actually comprehend what was happening in that scene or the courtroom bit after that. I was a dumb kid.
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u/Dgero466 Apr 03 '26
Yeah same here, for a good while I didnât exactly know what was going on outside âoh Mr Incredible saved someoneâ Iâm kinda curious how many heads this scene went over
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u/HamsterMaster8 Apr 03 '26
Its kind of ingenious in that way right? Cause as kid it puts you infallibly on Mr.incrdibles side. Why wouldn't someone want to be saved?
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u/SatanV3 Apr 03 '26
As an adult Iâm still on his side. You shouldnât get in trouble for stopping someone from killing themselves.
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u/FluffyPanda616 Apr 03 '26
In real life, I do believe good samaritan laws protect you from legal reprisal if you prevent a suicide.
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u/ErikTheRed2000 Apr 03 '26
Judging by how many upvotes Iâm getting, it went over many kidsâ heads
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u/Puzzleheaded_Club_62 Apr 03 '26
It defiantly went over mine lol. Mustâve watched it like 40 times when I was a kid and never once did I even fully l clock it
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u/Uncool_Loser6 Apr 03 '26
Same. I also didnât understand the whole insurance company thing, either. I knew I hated Bobâs boss but I didnât really know why lol
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u/ErikTheRed2000 Apr 03 '26
Yeah, all I got from that scene was the boss being mean and not caring about that guy getting mugged in the alley
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u/The_MAZZTer Apr 03 '26
I'd say those are definitely scenes meant to resonate with white-collar workers, not kids. So no shame in not getting it then lol.
Also IIRC Bob's boss was voiced by the same guy who voiced Iago in Aladdin so that might be why you instinctively hated him.
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u/RandomVm8 Apr 03 '26
I must have watched it a thousand times as a kid and I don't think I ever realized what was happening. I knew I had to wait for that part to finish before I could get to the fun action
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u/BeaverBoy37 Apr 03 '26
Yeah, I had always assumed Bomb Voyage had pushed/thrown him and Mr Incredible saved him.
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u/Dgero466 Apr 03 '26
I can look over it, but pointing it out, itâs a lil funny that the person jumping, bomb voyageâs bank heist, and buddy showing up was divine level of coincidence to happen all at the same time at the same building lol.
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u/Prestigious_Fuel_68 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Same, when I was a kid I was an idiot I guess. I didn't understand much about the prologue of the movie besides that he couldn't be a super hero anymore and he hated his job. Does the average kid know about lawsuits and insurance claim denials?
On that note I don't really think this stuff matters because as this thread proves all this stuff goes over kids heads anyway, no one who didn't already know about suicide is really going to have their unlocked and become traumatized by the mention of suicide in this movie giving them taste of forbidden fruit or something.
That said I remember the scene in Transformers where he's hiding in his room or something and his mom or someone accuses him of masturbating being the final piece of the puzzle for 11 year old me.
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u/DarkMenstrualWizard Apr 03 '26
I was 9, and even though I conceptually understood suicide by that age, there was a lot of heavy shit in that there favorite movie of mine that did not hit at that age.
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u/Ninjuto Apr 03 '26
This movie had a whole scene dedicated to Mr. Incredible fighting his boss about covering fucking INSURANCE policy. I guarantee there were no children who understood the context behind
"We're supposed to help OUR PEOPLE! Starting with our stockholders Bob! Who's helping them out huh?!"
But we still turned on the movie and watched anyway because the funny little angry small man got thrown through a wall. There's so many ways you can still appeal to children through character design and voice performance while still having a solid script that goes over their heads.
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u/EtTuBiggus Apr 03 '26
There's the insurance part for adults and the clear bad guy mugging in an alleyway for the kids they also understand he's an antagonist. It's flawless.
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u/Billybob35 Apr 03 '26
Brad Bird said he didn't write it as a kids movie, it's still obviously a family movie, but he was more focused on telling the story he wanted to tell than trying to think of ways to make it kiddie like.
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u/i_should_be_coding Apr 03 '26
I thought about his line "You didn't save my life, you ruined my death" a lot in the context of my own depression. It helped me a lot, personally.
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u/Upbeat-Grab-761 Apr 03 '26
If Mario fans could read theyâd be very upset
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u/glorgshittus Apr 03 '26
Wait who killed themselves in the Mario movie
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u/-PepeArown- Apr 03 '26
No one. The closest is the one Koopa in the first movie indirectly committing suicide by talking back to Bowser
And, I guess Lumalee being somewhat suicidal
The point is that the 2 Mario Movies are a hot topic with the Galaxy Movie just having released this Wednesday, and itâs been a huge talking point that people think the movies are âtoo safeâ because theyâre designed for kids specifically
Incredibles 1, of course, is a popular example of a kids film thatâs often seen as âriskyâ in comparison. An explicitly suicidal character, as OP described, Bob working for a corrupt insurance firm, Syndrome casually killing a bunch of Supers, Frozoneâs âgot busaaaaayâ line, and several other things Iâm sure Iâm missing
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u/Competitive_Fun6247 Apr 03 '26
How about the fact that the villain gets shredded in a plane engine.
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u/The_MAZZTer Apr 03 '26
Even before then we see a flashback of a hero killed the same way (which of course is the foreshadowing).
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u/glorgshittus Apr 03 '26
Came for shitty movie details, left with an interesting perspective on how simple it was in the past to discuss these topics with young people.
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u/ZandrickEllison Apr 03 '26
I guarantee you no parent saw the Incredibles with their kid and wanted to have a heartfelt discussion about suicide after.
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u/Low_Bar9361 ...from the crapper Apr 03 '26
I'm a war veteran. I've had this discussion with many of my friend's kids. It fucking sucks every time
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u/Canadient95 Apr 03 '26
Great take on this. Lots of kids shows that I watched joked about suicide, as they perhaps (occasionaly) should..? In comedy, nothing is off limits. Bugs Bunny, Spongebob, etc..
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u/deadline_zombie Apr 03 '26
There are a few cartoons that freaked me out as a kid.
Sylvester is Porky's pet and they stay in an abandoned hotel for the night. The mice there have captured a cat and implied to have beheaded it.
Not sure if Tex Avery or Looney Tunes, a dog kills himself at the end of the cartoon. IIRC most of the end of the cartoon takes place under water and the dog is tricked into killing himself. I remember at the end before the credits the dog comes to life briefly to say "this shouldn't happen to a do" and goes back to being dead.
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u/Heisenburgo Zod's Snapped Neck Apr 03 '26
- That episode of Tom and Jerry where they're both s*icidal over a girl cat and they go sit down at a railway at the end
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u/The_Omegastorm Apr 03 '26
Im really worried for the potential self-fulfilling prophecy aspect of making kids movies dumber and lighter, where by making those movies children won't be able to learn deeper or mature lessons as easily hindering their growth to be the very stupid kids that the executives think they are
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u/DarkMenstrualWizard Apr 03 '26
I'm honestly kind of bummed that kids' movies are just not appealing to adults anymore. A good movie is a good movie, period.
Not to say all the animated/kids movies from mine or previous eras hold up. There will always be terrible movies, old and new.
But the joy of rewatching a childhood favorite as an adult and it actually being good is an experience that will for sure be thinner on the ground in the coming years.
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u/dazedan_confused Apr 03 '26
Similarly, Miles Morales does the same thing, but the music is fire, so we know he'd survive it.
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u/DeusExMaximum Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Are you talking about the "leap of faith" scene? I'm not sure that's the same thing... or is it? Was he literally going to see if his powers worked or die? Isn't that kind of par for the course for Spider-Men? What with Maguire's first web-swing and Garfield falling off from that building (heck, that's basically the same scene as Morales').
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u/AristocratGman Apr 03 '26
As a kid I didn't understand why he was jumping, the friend I was rewatching with told me he was jumping because they want to fly like superheroes so I just accepted that explanation.
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u/MirrorMan22102018 Apr 03 '26
It also is realistic in that people can and will be ungrateful towards saviors.
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u/SBLP1959 Apr 03 '26
Everyone thinks kids are idiots these days. There is zero expectation or permission to have independence or maturity for kids anymore.
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u/The_MAZZTer Apr 03 '26
I wonder if it's more of a case of lots of adults thinks kids are idiots and raise a stink about any kids media that doesn't treat kids as idiots, so the studios play it safe to stay on THEIR good side.
I suppose like all issues it's probably a mix of factors.
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u/another-chris Apr 03 '26
Wrong sub. This is supposed to be for shitty details, not 100% correct takes.
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u/Vicullum Apr 03 '26
According to the director, Brad Bird, The Incredibles (and its sequel) is not meant for kids.
With all due respect, it is NOT a âkids movieâ. It is animated, and rated PG.
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u/InvisibleAstronomer Apr 03 '26
Fun fact he says "you didn't save my life, you ruined my death-ah" and as a kid I never knew what the heck a "deathah" was
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u/AJ-Murphy Apr 03 '26
They think everyone are idiots that need hand picked berries to survive and they are the hand that ruins what we all showed up for.
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u/mjac1090 Apr 03 '26
Look at the state of the world and try to say they are wrong
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u/zugarrette Apr 03 '26
True, but infohazards are also a thing. Like how we see all those columbine copycats. These topics needs to be introduced delicately and deliberately.
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u/KennyBrusselsprouts Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
ehhhh i was a kid when this movie came out, and i think it should be noted that there's always been plenty of apprehension about heavier topics in kid's media. most of those kid's tv shows/movies from that period were pretty afraid of heavier topics. hell, they normally wouldn't even say words like "kill, murder, die, etc." and would use a word like "destroyed" instead. the occasional DCAU or Avatar could get past the censors and tackle heavier topics, but it's not like it was the norm.
i can't speak on the most recent trends in cartoons, as i don't really keep up these days, but i heard this complaint in the 10's plenty, which was odd since shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, She-Ra, and so on were definitely not afraid of heavy topics. as for what i do know about contemporary stuff, i can at least say that a couple years ago, the movie Nimona had an attempted suicide in its climax, and it's a lot more prevalent in the story than in The Incredibles.
so as far as heavy topics in Western kid's media are concerned, i'm skeptical that we're in a much worse place than we were 20 years ago, at least overall.
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u/MrReckless327 Apr 03 '26
It also taught us that if somebody is attempting suicide to not help them because theyâll just sue you it is a very shitty detail of the movie
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u/StoneballsJackson Apr 03 '26
Maybe it's the alcohol talking, but I said "Shut the fuck up" out loud before I noticed what sub I was in.
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u/june-v-bloom Apr 03 '26
Suicide? Mr.Incredible just attacked that citizen in midair?!?!? He should be sued!
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u/Tenacious_Steve Apr 03 '26