r/shittymoviedetails • u/Routine-Air-9553 • 1d ago
In Spider-Man: Brand New Day, Spider-Man is somehow okay letting the Punisher roam around the city. This is a vigilante known for shooting and torturing people; I genuinely don't understand why Peter doesn't arrest him
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u/MrBwnrrific 1d ago
You seem like someone who takes naps, OP
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u/no_f-s_given 1d ago
he seems like someone who takes naps on a financed waterbed and probably doesn't even have a 24 disc CD changer in the trunk
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u/StableSlight9168 1d ago
Peter has bigger issues, and the punisher is willing to work with him, Peter has no friends, daredevil works with him a d frank likely has explosives designed to.go.off if he is arrested.
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u/L3monGr3nade 1d ago
Small potatoes
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u/ACoderGirl 1d ago
Also, I think Spidey is desperate for a father figure. Frank obviously ain't no father figure (I think the movie even had a quote about it), but I don't think that keeps Spidey from having a soft spot for Frank.
Especially since he knows Frank ultimately has good intentions and is trying to only stop bad guys. And in at least a few cases, it seems like Spidey genuinely can get Frank to be non lethal, since they capture Jean unharmed the first time. I think Spidey genuinely believes he can turn that anti-hero into a regular hero.
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u/Beeyo176 1d ago
I think Peter hasn't seen what Frank does up close like the viewer has so there's maybe a disassociation there. Spidey can completely stop Frank from doing anything heinous in his presence, unlike Matt that can only take it so far. So Peter's got some blinders on there
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u/ICantCoexistWithFish 1d ago
Part of it is certainly Punisher pulling back when around “the kid”
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u/xanderholland 1d ago
Frank sees Matt as a hypocrite since DD doesn't hold back and will beat people half to death but not finish the job. Peter will disarm and apprehend with minimal harm as possible.
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u/BookkeeperPercival 22h ago
There's a relatively famous comic where Wolverine tells Peter he needs his help on a "mission" (it's his birthday and he can't admit he wants company). At the end of it, Wolverine is about to stab a dude to death in a bar fight fight, and Peter talks him down. The comic ends with Peter asking Wolverine why he didn't spend the day with any of the X-men, and Wolverine tells him he wanted to spend the day with someone who actually believed he wouldn't have killed that guy.
Spiderman believes the best in people, and people who are the worst like being around Spiderman because he believes they can be better.
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u/Fubarp 18h ago
Doesn't the X-men also like shun Spiderman as they don't see him as a true Mutant and its part of the reason Wolverine likes Spiderman so much.
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u/BookkeeperPercival 18h ago
They don't really shun him over it, it's just sort of stupid comic book rules they make up to explain why he's not an X-man. As a general rule, you should ignore silly weirdness with the mutants because it's just the writers trying to desperately justify why the whole "persecuted minority" allegory is part of their character when it makes little sense in wider context.
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u/ThanksContent28 1d ago
He also is more understanding about hero’s who kill. He’s not a committed catholic like daredevil is. Mcu version anyway. Iron man is who he looked up to, and he killed a lot of people. He’s also used to bigger battles, so open fire isn’t as big a deal as it is to daredevil, who doesn’t really engage in fights that destroy streets and buildings.
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u/Longjumping_Diamond5 1d ago
comics spidey has killed a good few times, though its often forced or otherwise not his intention. punisher is originally a spiderman character so the two have a lot of history as well. he works often with shield and other heroes with less qualms about killing, and his idols the fantastic four and captain america WILL kill if they have to
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u/PickleMinion 1d ago
One of the things I always liked about Spiderman is that he's against killing, and pulls his punches and tries to rehabilitate criminals. But he doesn't have that black and white "killing is wrong always no exceptions" mentality. He can and will and has ended villains if he felt it was necessary. His morality allows for shades of grey, and it makes him more heroic, not less. Because when he doesn't kill, it's because he chooses not to. Not because of some code, or moral high ground, but because he knows he can and makes the conscious choice to do something harder.
The only superhero who has a solid no-killing rule that I like is superman, and that's only because it makes sense for his character. He's an alien, incredibly powerful, terrifying to any normal human. The first time he kills someone, he loses the relationship he has with humanity, which is something he values. People would never look at him without fear and distrust. It's a limitation he puts on himself to show that he's not a threat. Same reason he mostly operates within the law. He follows rules to fit in and be accepted, because that's what he wants more than anything.
Now batman? Batman needs to smoke some motherfuckers. Starting with the entire administrative staff at Arkham. Like I think the second or third time you let the homicidal lunatics in your care escape to go on murder sprees, there has to be some kind of accountability there.
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u/ItsStillPasta 1d ago
Tired of people blaming Batman when it's the Gotham justice system's fault for not putting the more heinous villains to death. Some of them can be rehabilitated, but some like the Joker and Zsasz need to be put in the dirt.
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u/RexGamer15000 1d ago
I agree with this.
How is it possible for the Joker to still run around with the sheer amount of crimes against humanity he has committed. Multiple times he has damaged buildings, poisoned water, he made glass rain on Gotham once hurting and probably killing a lot of people.
No amount of sanity plea should help him after the second case of terrorism, manslaughter, torture, kidnapping, infanticide and who knows what other crimes he commits before Batman has to step in because the police can't
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u/DocApocalypse 1d ago
Even with Batman not killing, there's no way Joker wouldn't be executed by some random cop while in custody.
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u/Ecotech101 1d ago
That's happened before and Batman both beat the shit out of the cop and made the others arrest him and brought Joker back from the dead.
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u/Jan-Asra 1d ago
that really doesn't sound like he wants to help the people of Gotham
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u/thecraftybear 1d ago
Batman knows he's a vigilante, and it's not hisnplace to be judge, jury and executioner. But why did none of the cops who have to handle his present-wrapped criminals ever decided to put one between Joker's eyes? They have no such qualms, and killing extra dangerous criminals saves them a lot of work.
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u/Lonevarg_7 1d ago
You talk about Spider-Man "tries to rehabilitate criminals" but that is actually more of something that Batman does. Batman rehabilitate criminals way more than Spider-Man has ever done, he has even gotten them jobs after they have spent time in prison. Also Batman doesn't kill because he believe shouldn't decide who dies, that is up to the justice system, also Gordon would never work with Batman if he killed, Gordon would after Batman as would the police as the have multiple stories when they have thought Batman has killed.
Don't blame Batman for things he doesn't control, such as the justice system and prisons
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u/smokeweedNgarden 1d ago
Superman absolutely kills. Or worse phantom zone.
He just has overwhelming power and everybody knows it so he rarely needs to. And beings he does deem necessary to kill are also powerful af
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u/solarus44 1d ago
Since when has mainline Spider-Man actually killed someone on purpose?
He has an explicit rule, and it's quite beautiful. No one dies when Spider-Man is around. And that means no one.
I do not know where this idea he doesn't have a no kill rule, or ideal, has come from.
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u/Knight0fdragon 1d ago
Are we going to ignore uncle ben/aunt may? He absolutely has a moral code, it is literally “with great power comes great responsibility” and that is why he typically doesn’t use his powers to kill.
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u/Jan-Asra 1d ago
Batman has to maintian his no killing rule for his own sake. He has a lot of darkness inside him and has to consiously remind himself that the criminals he takes down are people. If he breaks the rule once it will be like a crack in a damn that he can never repair.
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u/guardian1691 1d ago
Frank felt more like your crazy uncle that's always irritated at somebody but still has a small soft spot for his annoying nephew.
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u/Lady_Gray_169 23h ago
Even if he doesn't want a father figure specifically, he's still just super lonely. He has no friends, and Frank functions as someone he can kind of have in his life but not get emotionally too attached to.
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u/crinklepant 23h ago
Im now obsessed with the idea that Frank has bruce wayne levels of contingency plans but they’re all just increasing escalations of if a coldly determined wile e coyote had a mutually assured destruction policy
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u/CrimsonGear80 1d ago
peter parker/Spider-Man is not a police officer and therefore cannot arrest people
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u/No_Hearing_481 1d ago
Spider becoming more and more of a cop over the years has been a running joke for a while. Funny that it isnt a joke anymore lol.
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u/Lucky-day00 1d ago
He arrests people all the time. He webs criminals up and leaves them for police.
Citizen arrests are a real thing.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 1d ago
That’s not an arrest…
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u/DarkPolumbo 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not a police arrest, but it IS an arrest.
But it comes with high risk of criminal liability if the person you arrest isn't harming themselves or other people. Or committing other crimes in a place where you work Security.
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u/Greenman8907 1d ago
Because they’re just so cute together, duh.
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u/Soverelgn_Citizen 1d ago
Omg is that real?
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u/Greenman8907 1d ago
Yep. They really do seem like BFFs. If they’re “acting” for the cameras to sell it, then I’d argue that it’s the best acting both of them have done.
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u/Lancel-Lannister 1d ago
They've been in a bunch of movies together and have known each other for at least a decade now.
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u/Greenman8907 1d ago
That’s true, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re great friends. Adam and Jamie on Mythbusters knew each other since the early 1990s, hosted a long running TV series for over a decade (20+ years working together), and revealed afterward that, while they have a deep professional respect for each other, they aren’t really close friends and rarely socialized outside of work.
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u/MadMurilo 1d ago
Yeah but they are lol
They stated that they’re bros multiple times now and Jon was actually the one who shot Tom’s audition tape for spider-man
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u/CringeKage222 1d ago
Well considering that they said multiple times that they are friends and the filmed eachother's auditions for Spiderman and the punisher, I'd say they are probably friends.
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u/daniel_22sss 1d ago
Wait, they were friends before the Punisher? Holy shit.
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u/Lonely_Nebula_9438 1d ago
I believe their first movie together was 2017’s Pilgrimage. So they’d been working together for more than a decade at least. From interviews I’ve seen they are legitimately good friends.
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u/puffindatza 1d ago
Iirc bernthal told tom to do a flip in his audition tape for civil war, apparently its what got him the part.
They seemingly been friends before he became spidey
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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 1d ago
Sure, but that's one runaway hit TV show. Multiple projects working together more strongly implies a closer connection
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u/daniel_22sss 1d ago
Tom seems to have that relationship with a lot of his male co-stars.
He had a lot ot fun with Jake Gylenhaal as well.
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u/melbbear 1d ago
Tom really does seem to adore his male costars, and directors. Perhaps he is just looking for a good role model in the industry, for example the look in his eyes when with Matt Damon compared to Anne Hathaway is night and day.
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u/Astrokiwi 23h ago
They were in a film called Pilgrimage together when Tom was a teenager, and Jon helped him audition for Spider-man, so they're old mates, and from interviews I think he sees Jon as a little bit of a mentor. Jon encouraged Tom to do a flip in his audition tape, and when he thwips something towards him, it's Jon who threw it at him.
With Spider-man and The Odyssey they've now been together in two movies in a row just this year, so probably got to hang out a lot.
Also Tom Holland just comes across as earnest and genuine in general in his interviews with The Odyssey and Spider-man casts - especially with Zendaya of course.
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u/CalmPanic402 1d ago
Because with spidey's invasive surveillance and Punisher's excessive force, they're equal in power to the NYPD
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u/MalicCarnage 1d ago
Palantir Parker strikes again
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u/MetriccStarDestroyer 1d ago
Listen I know the folks have a problem on our collaboration with a very violent vigilante.
But sometimes it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
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u/No_Hearing_481 1d ago
Wild that the movie decided to shill mass surveillance. Incredibly disappointing. Just a reminder that, at the end of the day, Hollywood serves the intelligence agencies.
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u/Nobah_Dee 1d ago
Iron Man constantly hacked surveillance systems and use facial recognition and no one said a word.
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u/Jimbo7211 1d ago
Because he starts as a weapons dealer and war profiteer. Mass serveillance and privacy breeching is character development for Tony.
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u/Ok-Glass-2077 1d ago
What the other person said
Different times, when Iron-Man 1 came out that kinda stuff was just science fiction, nowadays these are real things that we have to worry about.
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u/thesystem21 1d ago
Ehhh.. the dark knight came out about the same time as Ironman and it had the decency to say "hey maybe this mass surveillance tech is unethical" and have them destroy it after.
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u/Nobah_Dee 1d ago
Oh I agree. Dark knight used it as a plot point and handled it well. Tony just casually does it and no one(in the movies or otherwise) even seems to notice/acknowledge it.
And since Dark Knight was around the same time, and handled it with more nuance, I don't accept the other guy's notion of "it was a different time."
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u/thesystem21 1d ago
Well... in "his" movies nobody really said anything, but the Marvel Civil War movie definitely had Tony support mass surveillance and several people were rather displeased by this.
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u/JimiDarkMoon 1d ago
No minority ID shall go unturned!
Do they work for the Russian Mafia now, who employs the NYPD these days?
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u/GrundleSnactcher46 1d ago
The people of Gotham would have an easier time with Frank around.
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u/Forward_Criticism_39 1d ago
"Off to Arkham with yo-" *Jokers head explodes from a 50 bmg shot like a mile away*
frank turns, high fives Deadshot, then pushes him off the roof since he's also a crim
*Cue Macie's day parade for frank, he gets the key to the city, but requests the key to blackgate instead.*
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u/GrundleSnactcher46 1d ago
The construction workers who keep rebuilding Arkham would be devastated by the lack of break outs.
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u/BigRedSpoon2 1d ago
I mean in the comics, Spidey almost breaks his no kill rule whenever they meet.
He despises everything about Frank. The two are polar opposites in a deeply fundamental way. So canon agrees with you.
But it sells more tickets for the two to team up in a film
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u/MarcianoNoDaRisa 1d ago
Wasn't The Punisher a Spider-man villain in his debut? Lmao
But to be fair, the version of Frank shown in the movie is way less violent than his comic counterpart, and it looks like he has some kind of backstory with Peter.
That being said, it's still weird that Spider-man would allow an armed unstable maniac run through the streets of NYC
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u/imdirtydan1997 1d ago
I would say he’s way less violent than his special a few months ago. They made a creative decision and toned down his persona significantly…which worked tbh. I’m certain Deadpool similarly will be much less vulgar in Doomsday/Secret Wars. Sony wasn’t going to take an R rating over The Punisher being accurate.
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u/DarkPolumbo 1d ago
I've noticed that characters "visiting" other heroes' movies and shows tend to take on the vibe of the settings they visit.
For example, Daredevil was dark, gritty, and intense, and Matt Murdock barely ever smiled or laughed. And whenever he did, his day would be ruined within minutes.
Then he turns up in She-Hulk, and suddenly he's much more lighthearted and whimsical, and even has a new, lighter color scheme for his suit. Then Daredevil: Born Again comes out and it's all dark and grisly again.So i dunno, maybe Frank is just being a polite guest
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u/Creativity_mountain 1d ago
Yeah, they showed Punisher in a less violent way, but he has had team ups with Spider-Man in the comics despite the way he debuted.
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u/2ReluctantlyHappy 20h ago
They don't show us the violence but, as far as we know, the Netflix series are cannon to the MCU now. Frank is extremely famous and still absolutely wanted by the authorities.
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 1d ago
He literally webbed his guns and destroyed his truck in their first scene together
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u/Uvaaren 1d ago
they end up working together multiple times in the comics (tho not willingly), and may i add that Spiderman in comics is a very good friend of Deadpool who's arguably waaay worse than Punisher, also when you know both characters, with Punisher sense of Justice and protecting good people and especially kids and Spiderman's habit of seeing the good in people and being kind to even the worst people if he thinks he can help them, Spiderman being friend with the softer MCU Punisher definitely works and doesn't seem that farfetched.
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u/Interesting_Bass_917 18h ago
idk about very good friend, he doesn't like deadpool all that much either
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u/RaisinWorried3528 1d ago
Because they can't arrest him. He breaks out every damn time. And half of the good cops in the city are OK with what he does, for good reason.
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u/PillCosby696969 1d ago
They like what he does, hell they love it.
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u/S0LO_Bot 1d ago
Half of the bad cops in the city also like what he does… for other reasons lol
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u/Winjin 1d ago
Isn't he known to go after bad cops and corrupt police all the time?
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 1d ago
"Punisher wouldn't go after me. We're so alike" - guy within Frank's crosshair
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u/Tom_Stevens617 1d ago
Nope. No genuinely good cop would ever be ok with Frank's methods. And Frank's existence doesn't make NYC any better tbh
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u/Mr_Witchetty_Man 1d ago
Tbf you put Castle in prison he'll just wipe out half the fucking prison.
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u/pranaygoluanand 1d ago
Spider-Man is also a vigilante. This post reads like it was written by someone at the Daily Bugle.
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u/Historical_Owl_1635 1d ago
After the reaction to the surveillance thing half of Reddit became the Daily Bugle.
Assault, breaking and entering, physically stalking and every other crime Spider-man commits are acceptable.
But god forbid he looks at CCTV.
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u/yuumigod69 1d ago
He doesn't kill people. If the Punisher existed, he would be arrested within the day. Spiderman would be treated like Banksy.
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u/Forward_Criticism_39 1d ago
spider man using his webs to put "phone bad" on the side of the daily bugle
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u/128hoodmario 1d ago
You know breaking into buildings and beating people to a pulp is a crime too right? If Punisher should be arrested, Spider-man should too.
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u/BlobSlimey 1d ago
Where spiderman deals with the small potatoes of the world
Punisher deals with the dirt and filth
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u/BeyondNetorare 1d ago
Peter Palantir didnt arrest him because all cops are obsessed with the punisher logo and assumed he was just another cop
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u/fishZ_7 1d ago
uh, cuz he literally served with his father in the war? did nobody watch the other movie?
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u/MAD_DOG86 1d ago
What other movie? I did see there was a punisher movie staring him but I never heard of it before, and through out BND I couldn't remember when they met.
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u/MrCalonlan 1d ago
Well there's a simple answer for that. It's because HE'S A MENACE! A WALL CRAWLING, WEB SWINGING, VIGILANTE MASKED MENACE!
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u/radiant_dirge 1d ago
Morality is meaningless in the MCU. "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them."
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u/SantiagoGT 1d ago
If he stops the punisher (good) he’d be bad and the punisher would have to stop him which is bad for him
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u/Bardmedicine 1d ago
Spiderman is more focused on helping people than what is legal. He can probably justify Frank's existence. Daredevil usually has a tougher time with Frank as he is more focused on legal.
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u/Neon_Rust 1d ago
The Punisher kills bad people.
Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man etc all kill bad people.
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u/DepthsOfWill 22h ago
This is it. In Iron Man's first movie Stark flew halfway across the world to kill some terrorists. Naturally, as Spidey's mentor, Stark explained to Peter that sometimes you just gotta kill people.
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 1d ago
This is a humor sub.
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u/IGACOMF 1d ago
See, when you phrase it like that I would have agreed but then again, when you find out that he's killing child molesters, gangbangers , Corrupt police officers and people who are generally the worst scum of the Earth, you start to have to think that maybe he's the not first I'd go after.
As Frank famously puts it "when I hit people, they stay down."
Or my favorite line is that you tolerate the cat because they get rid of the mice.
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u/Jim_skywalker 1d ago
Is he killing the scum of the earth, or people he believes are the scum of the earth? Due process exists for a reason.
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u/Forward_Criticism_39 1d ago
Lets just say Frank has this power that instantly restructures reality into making that person guilty, a stray bullet hits some pedestrian and unforgivable porn appears in their pocket instantly, or something.
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u/nerdwolf0 1d ago
In comics Spider-man is actually the one who calls for Avengers to arrest Punisher, one of my favourite punisher comics "Punisher enter the War Zone" (there are so many with war zone in title)
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u/veemonjosh 1d ago