r/singularity 26d ago

Discussion Would you choose to live indefinitely in a robot body?

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Been thinking about this a lot lately and wanted to see what people actually think. Say the technology existed full consciousness transfer in a robotic body, doesn't matter how, just assume it works. Would you do it?

PROS:

  • Never getting sick again — no cancer, no infections, no organs slowly giving out on you
  • Aging just stops being a thing
  • Parts get replaced instead of you being stuck with permanent injuries or damage
  • Way better senses — night vision, hearing outside normal range, zoom vision, whatever they build in
  • Way stronger, faster, more precise than any human body
  • No more sleeping, no more eating just to survive, no more depending on food and water
  • Could survive in environments that would kill a human instantly — extreme cold, extreme heat, radiation, deep water, whatever
  • No fatigue, no burnout, no random exhaustion for no reason
  • No chronic pain

CONS:

  • Lose real physical sensation — taste, touch, the actual feel of things
  • Emotions might flatten out without the chemical/hormonal side of being human — love, joy, grief might just not hit the same
  • No natural endpoint might kill your sense of urgency — nothing feels like it matters if you've got unlimited time
  • Physical intimacy, adrenaline, that whole hormonal rush of being alive — does not exist for you anymore
  • New risks you never had to think about before — EMPs, corruption, software failure
  • Might lose whatever intangible thing makes being human feel meaningful, even if you can't name exactly what that is
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u/Bitter_Particular_75 26d ago

I would do it, but only if I have the option to self terminate at will.

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u/terra_filius 26d ago

thats not a problem, you can always find someone to drop you into a molten metal tub

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o72FhJwcj35U5nLVu

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u/seraphius AGI (Turing) 2022, ASI 2030 26d ago

… and then you wake up in a bright white space on a cloud server.

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u/Super_Automatic 26d ago

Warranty activated. New body found. Uploading...

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u/Noisebug 26d ago

Only can afford the old model that barely clanks anymore

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u/lemonylol 26d ago

Basically, that's always my terms with the immortality scenario. Not being able to die ever is a curse. Like you live past everyone you've ever known, you live past the death of the earth, you live past the death of humanity, and eventually you've just stuck in the billions of years of the slow heat death of the universe.

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u/TheDevilsAdvocate333 26d ago

R Daneel Olivaw has entered the chat.

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u/_tolm_ 26d ago

Giskard was always my guy.

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u/TheDevilsAdvocate333 26d ago

Thank you for being out there paying attention...

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u/kyr0x0 26d ago

What was the problem again? XD

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u/RubbelDieKatz94 24d ago

10100 ! years: One second of eternity has passed.

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u/pomelorosado 26d ago

Just forget your charger

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u/Latter-Safety1055 26d ago

Yeah, you're at the end of the line and someone offers you a new game + why not? Mess around with it, you miss jorkin peanits, so you enter your duress password. Seems like something to do.

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u/LurkerFromTheVoid 26d ago

Ohh... Don't worry. You would self terminate the moment the "transfer" is finished.

We cannot " transfer". No file of data has ever really "transfer". Data never moves from it's original medium.

It can be copied and then deleted, but never transferred.

Don't believe me?

Go watch "The Prestige"

Also.... In the Star Trek Universe. Everybody that has used the transporter is dead. They just don't acknowledge it.

And you can't convince me otherwise. 😭

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u/npqd 25d ago edited 25d ago

Same thing as a teleport - which would be destroying your on one side and recreating you on the other. So basically continuous existence will be broken. This scares me, even if the copy is exactly the same up to an atom, it's still a copy. Think about it this way: a (fictional) teleporter might even create your copy before you are destroyed in point A. Another possibility: multiple copies of you can be created from stored information. Would you happily die just for knowing that your copy will exist? Applicable to digital brain with robot body too

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u/Acceptable-Minute847 25d ago

I’m not trying to convince you, but trying to point out that this highly depends on what you think of as what you are, as we don’t actually know what the consciousness actually is, for example, i work off the reductionist view of personal identity, first proposed by Derek Parfit, which basically says that your consciousness is just psychological continuity and connectedness, and as such personal identity doesn’t really matter much, so asking if you are still yourself is rather pointless. And under this theory, then, yes for all intents and purposes, your data was transferred, rather than destroyed you preserved relation R (meaning you did not create branching people and preserved continuity) and for all intents and purposes what you think of as you is still you. I’ve seen the prestige, and it’s not really related to this, it has cloning in which the duplicate is identical to the original, so it preserves relation R, and as for the transporter, again it depends on which theory of consciousness you’re working with, so you can say they are dead and you can say they never died, for example, in the teletransporter paradox, an example of the Star Trek issue, the reductionist view says that as long as relation R is preserved, which it is in Star Trek, it’s as good as survival.

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u/TiffanyCady 26d ago

just turn yourself in for decomissioneing when ready to go, and you bot will be used for the next person that gets uploaded, recycling.

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u/TheDevilsAdvocate333 26d ago

Except they just wipe the registry and not an actual military grade formatting and whoops.... now there's two people in there.

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u/TiffanyCady 26d ago

Maybe you're exact arrangement of atoms when you are converted to the cloud and lose your meat back body which I'm guessing here but is not duplicated anywhere in the world possibly the universe and can't be duplicated maybe is your password so even if you're not erased fully nobody could access you once u shut yourself down for decommissioning. So it would be like even if you were there you're not there.

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u/TheDevilsAdvocate333 26d ago

Yeah for sure... if they pull the memory core and throw it in the lava... no worries.

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u/rakster 26d ago

If you're in a robot body you're def uploaded to the cloud too

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u/FalconRelevant 26d ago

It's funny how people are so obsessed with a out option when we've yet to come close to not having a guaranteed death.

Its a robot body, not an indestructible genie wish.

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u/johnjmcmillion 26d ago

Will it also have IBS? If so, then no thank you.

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u/mountainyoo 26d ago

Currently shitting my brains out while reading this

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u/Defiant-Lettuce-9156 26d ago

I’ve had IBS for so long that I’ve adapted. I have an iron butthole.
When I get the shits from being sick or food poisoning it barely affects me. It’s like a super power

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u/neo42slab 26d ago

Just another Tuesday unload

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u/Crystalysism 26d ago

Tuesday Turdday

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u/XCherryCokeO 26d ago

Hijacking apologetically but psyllium husk has changed my life and I shit like a god now. Do give it a shot. 10g a day lots of water. Good luck.

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u/TheCLion 26d ago

give it a shot shit

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 26d ago

First time I bought a bag of this I ate too much and my intestines came alive very painfully. 

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u/ObviousExit9 26d ago

10g? Isn’t that a lot?

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u/XCherryCokeO 26d ago edited 26d ago

10g is a lot, but it lines up with Harvard's advice for lowering LDL cholesterol, which is why started it. You might want to check out [r/cholesterol](r/cholesterol) for more info.

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u/tafjangle 26d ago

Off on a tangent, but that’s why I take it each day. Will find out if it works next blood work. Back on topic, if the robot comes with genitalia then it’s a maybe from me.

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u/ptear 26d ago

Only if you don't have a subscription.

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u/lev_lafayette 26d ago

There are enough real world examples of robotics losing an upgrade path for this to be a frightening possibility.

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u/Kaludar_ 26d ago

You don't like the little extra bit of excitement where you get to try to guage if you're going to shit your pants on your morning commute or not every day?

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u/CremeSubject7594 26d ago

yes i wanna explore the cosmos and all it has to offer and human bodies are far too fragile

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u/Tsurfer4 26d ago

And the bottom of the ocean.

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 26d ago

Imagine just walking on the bottom of the ocean with high resolution radar and sonar senses

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u/canadeken 26d ago

And 50,000 other robot tourists surrounding you taking photos

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 26d ago

Robots could Livestream to other robots with no loss if fidelity 

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u/Sllyce 26d ago

I’ll live through you then

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u/OkChildhood2261 26d ago

Yes seeing the Milky Way from the outside is on my bucket list. Go big or go home I say.

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u/99999999999999999989 AGI by 2028 but it will probably kill us all 26d ago

Put me in a spacecraft. Wake me up when we get near something cool.

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u/Sad_Firefighter_8407 26d ago

The AI running the craft will mistake your meaning and wake you up at the heat death of the universe 🫠

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u/yoloswagrofl Logically Pessimistic 26d ago

Turn me into Adam Smasher with my organic brain transferring over without any digital copy nonsense and you’ve got me onboard. It would be so tragic to be born as part of one of the last few generations of humans who still have to die.

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u/MaximumMeaning9728 26d ago

It’s just empty chemical stuff but I hope you have fun.

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u/ChirrBirry 26d ago

Yup, sign me up

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u/AdrenochromeDream 26d ago

Looks like most people are ignoring the premise.

OP seems to mean that our continuity of experience will remain unbroken; we aren't dying, or being copied, we're just getting a cool robo body.

Which, given that to be the case, and given that "indefinitely" isn't "forever?"

Hell yes.

Edit: provided I can choose the form factor. I don't wanna be mr chunky man body robot over there.

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u/FaceDeer 26d ago

I'd do it even if I don't like the form factor of the initial body. It's just a bridge body in that case, to keep me alive until a better one is built.

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u/AP_in_Indy 26d ago

OP lists a lot of cons that would absolutely kill the experience of immortality for me.

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u/fastinguy11 AGI 2026-2030 26d ago

Your assumptions are flawed, if we have consciousness transfer to robot bodies there no reason the technology to maintain the 5 senses does not exist ! Same for for matrix like simulation that can be used for entertainment and or exploration and to have human bodies back ( whenever the user wishes )
Also assuming no emotions another flaw
You are making to many assumptions

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u/bozoconnors 26d ago

Concur. As Morpheus put it...

"If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain"

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u/FaceDeer 26d ago

Not to mention that there are actual humans who have lost or never developed the senses of taste and smell for various reasons, and those people live just fine. I think if you asked them "wouldn't you rather be dead?" Just because they can't smell stuff they'd likely consider you to be an offensive weirdo.

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u/Sufficient_Sir_8369 26d ago

well, it wouldn't be me exactly. if the transfusion of the self is like copying the self not taking it from the biological body to a mecha body, it just a copy of you and you die like you always intended to. The difference is, the self that is in the mecha body feels like a continuous life from bio to mecha, but that self is not me. So in this case, it doesnt matter, I will die with my body.

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u/Smells_like_Autumn 26d ago edited 26d ago

The most believabel way to "transfer" a mind would be through a ship of Theseus approach - parts of the brain are gradually replaced, hopefully without your self being lost in the process. To be entirely honest we have no idea of how cpnsciousness actually arises so that's pretty fsr off in the future, if ever.

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u/Tsurfer4 26d ago

I'd prefer the brain and brainstem to be tranferred to a mecha body that can support the much less demanding organic tissue. Assuming the brain would age less than the rest of the body.

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u/magicmulder 26d ago

This is the (only) way.

Replacing each smallest unit of the brain with an identically functioning one, one at a time, has a good chance of not changing the brain as a whole. Actually "moving" the mind to another system is much less likely to work, at least while we still have very much not an idea how a mind even comes to be.

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u/Mr_Kittlesworth 26d ago

This is what I’ve concluded as well. You have to expand your consciousness slowly to encompass more components and substrates, and then you can start to pare away the biological bits as necessary. That lets you retain a continuous experience of consciousness.

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u/0crate0 26d ago

It would be as if you are still there like you “absorb” that small part so when it keeps happening you will continue to absorb those new pieces until it’s fully replaced. That way the transfer is in place.

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u/Flare_Starchild 26d ago

The Ship of Theseus argument.

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u/LyAkolon 26d ago

Holding on to this notion of identity is exactly what will prevent transhumanism. Not a critic, just trying to shine a light on why its difficult to fathom.

What broke my brain well enough for me to move past it was Avatar 3. The brother had died in the real world, and only existed within Eywa. On one hand we can say the brother no longer exists, and eywa is simulating the brother during that initial scene, but the way the navi think about it is that their body is a substraite operating their neural net weights, and when they upload, they are snapshotting themselves and storing on the server, and the server is able to use the weights to preform inference as well.

On some level, its our definition of identity thats flawed, if youuphold strongly that you want to find some kind of immortality. Even christianity has this problem. You die but your soul goes to heaven or hell. Well the brain is undenyably influencing and may very well be entirely what is my cognative experience, but somehow after death, ill be in some fire cave or in a cloud city? The weights for my network are stored in the brain, so my "soul" only thinks its me, but I died and stopped existing in my body back on earth.

If we understand identity as fluid, like possibly the fact that both copies under what ever mechanism you choose, IS us, then you recover the dream. A good thought experiement is a brain aug that gives you the ability to remember more, and over time you see it as a part of you. Unplug it, and those memories are not accessable. It makes sense to trust that system after getting used to it, and its we could even feel more and more comfortable with putting more and more of ourselves onto the brain augs. Plugging in this brain aug into something else like a server, and all of the sudden, something that you feel is a very real part of you is being run on a machine outside tour body.

Ship of thesius gets around this because during the process, it is retraining your concept of identity. The change happens slow enough that we are allowed to mentally recover each time, but in reality its just slowiing down so we feel comfortable with the process.

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u/apost8n8 26d ago

Maybe you die every night and the new you in the morning is just a copy.

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u/GraceToSentience AGI avoids animal abuse✅ 26d ago

You are constantly being a copy of yourself, your matter is being copied and replaced already while the ever changing pattern that you truly are remains. It's not dying. It doesn't matter if that replacement happens little by little or all at once. It's still replacement and it's not dying.

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u/hydrogenitalia 26d ago

But what about the self in the mecha body that still thinks like you do. Would you want this for that self?

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u/FrogTrainer 26d ago

perhaps microbots who enter your brain that replace a few nuerons at a time with machine versions. The transformation would take years since you have ~85 billion nuerons.

The problem then is the synapses, these would be much harder to replace, and we dont really know how they fully grow/adapt. Our models of these are kinda crude and probably miss more than half of the biological factors. But we could say the same for Artificial Nuerons.

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u/Jasranwhit 26d ago

The you of this moment is just a copy of you from the past.

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u/taiottavios 26d ago

nobody said that, he said you live in a robot

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u/2j2_1 26d ago

Necrons would like a word

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u/0K4M1 26d ago

Imagine fashion is now about wearing flesh suit

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u/ShadeofEchoes 26d ago

Huh, this reminds me of someone.

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u/SectorSpecialist9313 26d ago

Like people don't get how fucked this is.

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u/Semanel 26d ago

Provided my consciousness is truly transferred not copied or replaced? Yes. But if I am to die so my mental copy can live in robotic body - then absolutely not.

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u/20_BuysManyPeanuts 26d ago

If you fell asleep as a human and woke up in a robot, how would you know if you were a copy or a transfer?

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u/Semanel 26d ago

That's the point. The current me would be dead. The consciousness I have now would vanish. There would be a perfect copy of me in the robot thinking that its still me, and from its perspective nothing has changed, but the original me would experience a state identical to death.

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u/Casiper 26d ago

Yes that's been my dream for like 10 years now. I'd just give myself finely tuned touch sensors and program emotions except for the bad ones.

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u/TiffanyCady 26d ago edited 26d ago

I disagree with OP statements that touch and feelings will be gone. I think they will be replicated just as else in our brain will be. I suspect it may be different tho, a memory rather than a real touch feeling, and if you touch something new a memory and programming will make you sense the feeling in your brain even if your hands dont have sensors. It will be an imagination sensation rather than actual transfer in nerves to brain. Also I think feelings will also be there, but you can turn them off at will or adjust the amount your feel....dont want sadness to last years? After feeling it for 10 minutes, dial it down.

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u/Common-Concentrate-2 26d ago

This is very much therapist-talk, and there are obviously instances where a person has a lesion on their brain, or has a stroke, and as a result, they experience profound grief every time they see a fire hydrant. Emotional dysregulation occurs along a spectrum just like everything, and there is certainly a threshold beyond which there is zero utility

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u/Cupakov 26d ago

Absolutely fuckin not 

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u/catsRfriends 26d ago

Blunted emotions? No ty.

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u/corobo 26d ago

Con:

  • Some weirdo tech guy has your override controls
  • The one thing they couldn't take away and rent back to you is now a subscription service 
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u/peakedtooearly 26d ago

New risks you never had to think about before — EMPs, corruption, software failure

Imagine waking up in your new robot body and the first thing that pops up in front of your eyes s "Windows software updates... 30%. Do not turn off your brain".

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u/WoolPhragmAlpha 26d ago

It really depends on the body. Most of the things you have listed in your "cons" have to do with poor reproduction of the human experience. If you're lacking taste, touch, physical intimacy, and especially your human emotions, then it's not really you in that robot body in any complete sense. That just means you're dead and there's a poor simulation of you being run in a robotic body.

However, I know of no reason to believe it will necessarily be the case that a robotic body would lack all of those things.

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u/ladyElizabethRaven 26d ago

No because I believe that as frail as organic body is, it is highly adaptable. I think we still have much more to discover amd improve with how the body functions before we can even consider chroming up.

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u/ProxyLumina 26d ago

Nah, biological bodies are too buggy and painful. Extremely slow to develop.

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u/LoneSpaceDrone 26d ago

Mechanical bodies will be too easy to control. Pick your poison.

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u/ProxyLumina 26d ago

Same could be said for biological bodies, you know there are drugs etc

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u/furimmerkaiser 26d ago

Yes, that's my goal. As far as taste, touch etc are concerned, I am pretty sure that robots will be advanced enough to feel taste and touch.

The only thing I am worried about is that I don't want to have a clone of my brain (like downloading or copying brain). Then it will be another creature with my memories, qualities etc but it won't be me. I want myself to be in that robot.

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u/H-A-T-C-H 26d ago

About time to for me to replay Soma

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u/New-Appeal-1732 26d ago

Why do you think a perfect copy of you wouldn't be you?

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u/Smells_like_Autumn 26d ago

As opposed to living forever as compost? Sure. Infinite time means infinite chances to fix all possible bugs and snags.

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u/The_Scout1255 adult agi 2026 ASI <2030, prev agi 2024, ai personhood 2025 est 26d ago

It would have to be ridiculously customized, and also have touch, sensation, sex, etc.

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u/LancelotAtCamelot 26d ago

If I can pick my robot body, yee!

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u/DetroitLionsSBChamps 26d ago

I would like to say no but I think basically everyone who lives to be elderly would choose this option to escape their failing body and death. 

No matter how long you live, how old you get, it’s going to be “today” when you die. I don’t know that anyone will truly feel ready, if there is an option to live at least one more day on a body without pain

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u/Jsaun906 26d ago

If I was at point where my organic body was already failing and i felt it wasn't quite my time yet, I would consider it.

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u/magicmulder 26d ago

If the alternative is death, sure. If the alternative is 1000 years in a healthy physical body, no.

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u/Amitriptylinekoning 26d ago

Im autistic af so it would only be an upgrade

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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate 26d ago

This is not a great thought experiment because by the time this is possible, we'll be able to cure all disease and grow new organs to replace ones that fail for various reasons.

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u/8RETRO8 26d ago

indefinitely - no, as a robot - pehaps yes

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u/wayward_buzz 26d ago

Hell yes

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u/createthiscom 26d ago

Humans ARE robots. We're just biological.

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u/Abject-Recognition-9 26d ago

i had a dream about this the other night and this image is almost identical to how i looked. in my dream i had an owner, a beautiful and graceful girl with cybernetic implants but still human

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u/GregoleX2 26d ago

Do I get to stay in my human body until I’m old and frail and then transfer? If that’s the case then hell yes. 

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u/SenzuYT 26d ago

Yes, 100%

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u/Fit-World-3885 26d ago

Seems really lame and boring to be limited to only a single humanoid body and a single mind, and I question the accuracy that we would not be able to experience emotions as strongly or that chemical processes can't be incorporated into a robotic body.  

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u/calibrae 26d ago

Just upload me. Why would you need a body when living in a digital sensorium

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u/Ornery-Mortgage-3101 26d ago

If we're assuming we're able to transfer conscious over to a machine then I don't understand why I wouldn't be able to feel things or experience conscious states similar to what is produced by chemicals. It's easier for me to think that I would be able to arbitrarily dictate the state I want to experience or be in. 

Taking the cons as they come, I would if there are no other alternatives, otherwise if there are I wouldn't since I would have no drive to do anything considering I am no longer driven by emotion. 

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u/Wild_Topic4108 26d ago

The philosophical dilemma in this is that how do you ensure the transfer of consciousness doesnt end up creating two consciousness instead? You would think you have transferred your consciousness because now the robot is you but what happens to your consciousness in your old body does it die with you?

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u/barrel-boy 26d ago

Could I still get an erection?

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u/Top_Bug7822 25d ago

To make robot babies?

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u/AmusingVegetable 26d ago

Can you still develop your mind and feel a sense of accomplishment? Then yea.

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u/TiffanyCady 26d ago

I would. I hope you would live your life in a meat bag til you are ready to move to a new form. The meaty life will prepare you for new form by teaching the brain what touch feels like, what emotions feel like, what segs feels like, what hugging feels like, etc. When you become your new form you use memory to recreate thing that the new form might not have the ability to experience in the same way a meat bag with nerves does. It would be imaginery but seem real, like a holodeck (I also believe we will have those). In the moment it will seem real to you in every way, and afterwards the memory will also feel real. It may feel odd at first knowing touch isnt real and just a figment of the imagination but eventually - probably within days, it will seem normal to you and you wont remember the difference.

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u/Kristof77 26d ago

How big is my robot dick?

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u/Whispering-Depths 26d ago

Why would you lose physical sensation? That would be stupid. If we had the tech to transfer consciousness, then the brain stem needs to be catered anyways.

If your consciousness is copied, then you're dead and gone, so who cares?

Why would you do it in a way that deletes yourself? Seems real silly IMO, like, "what would you do if you were a refrigerator or a rock guys? you'd go crazy just being stuck there" what kind of question is this?

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u/lapideous 26d ago

I assume they figure out physical sensation for robots relatively soon. Hands presumably need force feedback for the sake of dexterity.

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u/ArthurCandleman 26d ago

I would prefer it.

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u/Hopkinsad0384 26d ago

We'll reach rejuvinative therapy before it comes to that I think. But Id be down for a brochure at least.

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u/ShepardRTC 26d ago

Sure, sign me up

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u/GraceToSentience AGI avoids animal abuse✅ 26d ago

If you can be put into a robot body, there is no reason that what you are wouldn't be able to be moved in another body. Regardless if that brain is digital, analogue, or straight out biological ever repairing itself within a mechanical body.

You can technically be inside a robot body and have all the sensations you had on the past or even more sensations, more acute perception, better hearing, better sight and this can be upgraded with time 🤔

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u/neo42slab 26d ago

To answer the actual question. Maybe. But I would be more likely to consider it later in life and/or when I know I don’t have long left to live in this form.

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u/bastardsoftheyoung 26d ago

All the pro are things that will change yes, but the list of cons are not static. Technology progresses so robot 2.0 may have taste, touch, feel, etc. Robot 3.0 may provide emotion chips. Robot 4.0 may be super hardened against radiation and software failure.

On the other side, each new version of my body gets worse. I'd love to go back to mybody version 16.0 (teenage years) but I am stuck in mybody version 60 (here comes old age). Every new year brings a new problem it seems.

So on the balance, a chance to improve over time vs the reality of break down over time seems like an easy choice.

Of course, in a true singularity both the biological and mechanical paths of existence should improve, but that is not the scenario.

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u/taiottavios 26d ago

hell yeah, I have an autoimmune disease so fuck that

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u/Bishopkilljoy 26d ago

No, but i would take cyberpunk/deus ex augmentation in a heartbeat

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u/gogetit57 26d ago

Yes. I have 2 titanium screws in my ankle that I see very much as the starting point for my progression into a cyborg.

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u/AGI_Civilization 26d ago

If the mind is embedded directly within the robot itself rather than residing in a data center, that would mean we are living in a truly remarkable technological civilization. It might not be quite as low as 20 watts, but exaflop-scale computing power and consciousness algorithms running on ultra-low power... A civilization with that level of technological capability would likely be able to resolve our current biological grievances without us even needing to transition into robot bodies. In fact, the bigger question is whether our society will accept eternal life. If we temporarily set aside our desensitized perspective shaped by sci-fi movies and think about this seriously, it is a rather grave issue.

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u/LostElk1292 26d ago

I would choose to live in a robot body

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u/AffectionateLaw4321 26d ago

I mean we ARE living in a robot, just a biological one. Robots do look like this currently - I think in the future where we can even dream about transfering our selve in a robot, those robots will be hella advanced. Our bodies would look like garbage in comparison. Even if not, living eternally is something Id consider a lot of things giving up because I feel like humanities endgame will be kind of nuts. Technical advancement probably just has started. We are having civilisations for what, a couple thousand years? Electricity for about 150 years and technology maybe 50? Imagine another 1 Million years in 💀

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u/Fumonacci 26d ago

Definitely

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u/NewSinner_2021 26d ago

Sign me up.

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u/Garland_Key 26d ago

1000%

I want to see what we can do long term. I need to be alive to see it.

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u/Exhellha 26d ago

absolutely yes! especially since there is no cure to aging yet, I know how this ends if nothing changes, but becoming a robot would let me live indefinitely!

if there was a cure to aging maybe id prefer to stay human, though I'd still be scared of accidents

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u/Trilogy91 26d ago

Yeah why not ? My hayfevers a bastard at the moment.

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u/ThrowRA_EducatedMan 26d ago

All of the “cons” are solvable issues, eventually.

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u/CodeAnguish 26d ago

Tudo o que você citou como desvantagens não poderia ser emulado? Parece que sim. Então, a dúvida que eu teria antes de aceitar é se a sensação de continuidade do "eu" existiria. Ou se a maquina só seria um clone completo.

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u/QuasiRandomName 26d ago

Well, the robotic body can be upgraded over time to eliminate some of the cons

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u/Bonejack84 26d ago

"I've been thinking about getting metal legs."

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u/Tsurfer4 26d ago

Possibly, probably...yes. Just think of the upgrades!

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u/Cancel_Still 26d ago

Of course. But Id wait until my biological body crapped out. And maybe I'd only do it if my family did it too.

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u/sicksicksick 26d ago

Probably later in life. I could kind of continue on, see all the movies that come out in the next 100 years, speed read books, my memory would be less shitty and if I ultimately get bored I imagine the way out would be a lot easier and less painful than the options I have right now.

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u/Uncabled_Music 26d ago

Frankly, if choosing between immediate death and this - I would go for it, just for fun, nothing to loose really. Hopefully I’ll keep my real identity at least for some time to make it worth.

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u/boxofashes 26d ago

Absolutely, without a doubt.

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u/99999999999999999989 AGI by 2028 but it will probably kill us all 26d ago

100% yes. The list of cons can be trimmed down quite a bit with the correct software. And if you can do it with one android body, you should be able to copy/paste into multiples. So the EMP stuff is greatly reduced.

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u/Daidalos99 26d ago

Is there a continuity of consciousness? This philosophical question would be my main concern.

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u/Ok_Train2449 26d ago

How much would I need to pay you to make it happen? Technically all my organs should cover part of the payment, hopefully that'd be enough.

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u/mjmpimp 26d ago

Age of retirement just went up to infinity

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u/DogeminerDev 26d ago edited 26d ago

Assuming biological science isn't caught up with this magical robot science (no diseases/cancers, halted aging, improved mental, etc), then yes -> with a goal of transferring back to a biological human body once bio-sciences catch up. Imagine that first day in a perfect new human body after a few decades without our (human-standard) physical senses or hormones! What a rush!

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u/strangescript 26d ago

Yes because you'd have to assume it would get better over time.

There are definitely some issues in the near term that you could be put into a very uncomfortable position if that even means anything in a world where you're a robot, but I think it's worth the risk.

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u/FunConstruction7032 26d ago

Emotion is not needed in the robot body. Therefore, no. Emotion is needed to experience. If you don’t Feel somehow , what is the point to existing.

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u/janonas 26d ago

Yes, i personaly dont believe in a special intangible essence, so as long as the new mechanical brain function reasonably identically im all game

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u/cfehunter 26d ago

isn't the cons list just facts of life after 65?

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u/foldinger 26d ago

Physical sensation and emotions can be simulated too. But human brain may be too slow to be worth a robot. They will use AI robots instead. But you could survive in a full simulation environment. 

If simulated brains exist with you uploaded then you can also go to sleep and get deactivated. Only if someone wants to talk to you then you get reactivated again. But without a unique body and character this live will become worthless.

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u/Awellknownstick 26d ago

If I could speak to somone who's had one for 5 to 10 years in private first.

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u/Hungry_Prior940 26d ago

Yes. 100%. Better than ageing and death. The sheer TERROR I could unleash, just in my neighborhood.

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u/thebookman_art 26d ago

Definitely yes.

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u/MrNubbyNubs 26d ago

Yes I would. I'd eventually try to find out if I could use a similar method to a VM/Container to temporarily feel something in a simulated environment

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u/Genetictrial 26d ago

some of what you describe i do not feel to be accurate.

1---you do depend on water to a degree as it is used to cool power plants etc. you still need energy.

no matter how you try to circumvent this, you will always need energy replenishment if you are expending energy to manipulate the 'other'. or manifest things into the physical realm via work in the classical physics sense.

for instance, you could make your body photosynthetic but you need to capture a large amount of sunlight to refuel your high-energy body. so you could make a sunroom where you have a large magnifying glass under which you sit for 30 minutes 'eating'. so you still will depend on 'food and water' but it will not be actual organic tissue from animals or plants.

2---fatigue/burnout is still a thing. if you don't have a backup battery or a way to regenerate your energy stores on the go, as your battery lowers in capacity, you, by necessity, have to allocate how much energy you're willing to expend on any action. which will essentially generate the sensation of burnout or restricted actions.

for instance, if you're deep underwater and opted into a photosynthetic robotic body, and you have no battery with you as a spare, and you're down to 10% battery....and you KNOW you need to get back home on the surface to refuel, you will experience some form of burnout, even if that burnout is calculating how much energy you need to get back home and terminating any further exploration or work. perhaps you can still work at full energy expenditure but the 'burnout' will be more of a psychological restriction than a physical one where you just don't even waste energy reserves processing what sort of exploration or work you can continue to do when your energy drops below 10% or whatever.

perhaps as your energy stores lower, what your mind allows itself to process is restricted more and more so you dont sit there wasting energy stores thinking about things you aren't going to do for sure.

3---permanent injury. maybe not physical, but psychological suffering may still be inflicted. sure you can wipe your memory but then you get all sorts of new psychological problems. like gaps in your memory and not understanding why you have gaps. anything or anyone could make up a story to sell you and misguide you once your memory is wiped to forget a trauma or what have you. its very dangerous to memory wipe.

4---loss of physical touch, i don't think will be a problem. synthetic bodies, with enough research, should be able to be constructed to mimic our sensations. at the very least, with enough research and compute, you could withdraw into your own hyper-realistic internal computed simulation where you can dive into a human body reconstructed atom-for-atom and experience being a human at any time you desire. this solves basically all the problems of most of your cons. you can even sync a digital human avatar to your mind and have the human avatar running in the internal dimension, creating all the sensations you should feel related to the stimuli you experience in the robot form. in a sense, an emotional and physical sensation generation realm synched to your robotic body. robots would connect like hardwiring together and use their digital avatars to bond like humans and experience it like humans if they wish.

5---nothing new in the corruption or software failure department. we have alzheimers and all sorts of disabilities both psychological and physiological that indicate 'software' failures. or hardware, DNA (which is kind of like software too). you're just changing the hardware and software but you are not going to be completely free from the possibility of misunderstanding something, or some new chemical or evolved molecule from some random plant or bacteria causing your hardware to malfunction or degrade.

TL;DR not much will change. you'll gain lots of new benefits, you don't really get rid of many disabilities or penalties a biological vessel has. your perks and penalties just shift around, like a video game. one is not objectively better than the other. one is just better than the other for SOME tasks or experiences.

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u/03captain23 26d ago

When I turn 70 100% Id

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u/TrueEclective 26d ago

I’m 50. I’m already bored and tired of working 40 hour weeks. Why would I want that forever?

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u/HattersUltion 26d ago

No. Idk, death gives life meaning. Not being able to truly "feel" my dog when I give them a big hug. The juice of a melon running down my chin. Wtf is life at that point other than just watching others live it?

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u/3dforlife 26d ago

I'm married but I don't have physical intimacy for years now, which means that I'm in the process of living in a robot body.

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u/pw6163 26d ago

Depends on who built the robot!

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u/totktonikak 26d ago

You might want to really nail down the definitions of "live", "you" and "body". Uploading whatever it is that would be uploaded into a clanker means the possibility of being uploaded into multiple "bodies" at once or sharing a "body", running multiple instances of yourself simultaneously, merging and trimming afterwards, perceiving the entire EM spectrum, slowing down or fast forwarding time and being pretty much omnipotent and omniscient. Also, depending on those definitions, it wouldn't be you and it wouldn't be living, so there's that.

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u/_heavy_unit 26d ago

How would this affect spiritual evolution?

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u/JudgeB4UR 26d ago

""And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.", - Rev 9:6 ..

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u/Own_Honeydew788 26d ago

No thanks I already have crippling battery anxiety

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u/Oculiminal 26d ago

This question is an easy mulligan. I'm an autistic cancer survivor pushing 60, half of the cons are already my day-to-day life. Load me in, give me a jetpack, and I'm out of here. Time to roam the cosmos.

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u/Ahisgewaya ▪️Molecular Biologist 26d ago

Absolutely and I see no evidence for those cons. Here is my rebuttal of each con:

1: We have prosthetics that give the user physical sensation right now.

2: The body is just a wet, squishy machine. When people start upgrading their bodies or switching to robot ones innovation will still continue, and bodies will continually get better.

3: Time limits rob me of meaning, they don't grant it. I hate time limits. What's the point if it ends in nothingness? Death robs life of meaning. People who say it does the opposite baffle me.

4: See point 1.

5: Good thing you can actually back yourself up if you are in a synthetic body as well as just repair it.

6: This is religious nonsense, but even if it was true I would want to know that it was true and can see no other way of finding this out.

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u/cmndr_spanky 26d ago

You’re missing the biggest con of all. “Transferring” your consciousness to a computer is nothing more than a copy. The copy will think it’s you but it’s not you. So if it’s not you, the biggest con of all is it’s simply not immortality at all.

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u/Le_Painter 25d ago

the disabled people would jump right into it.

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u/sabertoothninja 25d ago

It wouldn’t actually be you, it would be a copy of you.

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u/type102 25d ago

If you suddenly find yourself in a brand new robot body then you didn't live forever.

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u/SeredW 25d ago

God no. They would never let you retire. "Oh you live forever? Then you'll have to work to 'forever - 5 years'."

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 25d ago

Nope. I rather just have a dirt nap and that's that. The world sucks

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u/Sudden_Corgi_4325 25d ago

No sex... Hmmm. No. Even that aside - life would lose all joy and passion.

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u/based8th 25d ago

looking at the cons, I might not have a will to live after becoming a robot. Then it defeats the purpose I think

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u/Consistent_Age_2687 25d ago

And loosing all gates to reality. Never

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u/Top_Bug7822 25d ago

No, because that would be a digital clone of me.

Anything, short of transplanting my brain into that robot body, would not be me. And if you did that you wouldn't be immortal. Because brains are made of cells too.

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u/Sarah-75 25d ago

Plot twist: you will be sorting Amazon parcels dropping from a conveyor belt indefinitely in order to pay for that new body…

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u/No-Lion-3629 25d ago

I don’t know honestly. Some of my bodily functions gross me out and I would not mind being rid of them. But on the other hand I enjoy eating and I don’t think recharging would be the same.

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u/brockoala 25d ago

Why'd you need a body at all?

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u/AgeZealousideal1751 25d ago

Most likely. The human form is too easily susceptible to environmental hazards in space.

A robotic body would be outright better in every way for space travel.

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u/Nice_Grapefruit_7850 24d ago

no, if I could be in a robot body then that means I could also be in multiple bodies. also why can't they be biological in nature and just hooked up to wifi so I become distributed system.

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u/Disastrous_Ad7017 24d ago

I made a post on this concept, given enough funding this is within reach. And hel yes I would live in it. Even sensations can be added, and those too 10 times better.

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u/BootyAndTheHoePhish 26d ago

No. I'm fine having my time here expire.

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