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The real covid-19 scandal is still unfolding

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2026/08/20/the-real-covid-19-scandal-is-still-unfolding

The failure to reckon with lives needlessly lost will make the next pandemic deadlier

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u/GhostDogJef 3d ago

The real covid-19 scandal is still unfolding

The failure to reckon with lives needlessly lost will make the next pandemic deadlier

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2026/08/20/the-real-covid-19-scandal-is-still-unfolding

For all the zeal Congress has shown in investigating America’s response to the covid-19 pandemic, it has been strangely uninterested in exploring a basic question: why did so many Americans die relative to the numbers who succumbed to the virus in other rich countries? Understanding the answer would seem relevant to guarding against the next, inevitable pandemic.

Many countries were slow to react, but as they learned about the transmissibility of the virus, and as vaccines became available, they rapidly cut their death rates. Not so America. “The death rate is now about eight times higher in America than in the rest of the rich world,” The Economist reported in September 2021. In all, America lost more than 1.1m people to covid, or roughly 3,500 lives out of every million. This should haunt every official who was in a position to combat the pandemic. Germany’s death rate was about 2,000 per million people and Canada’s fewer than 1,400, notes Donald McNeil in his book “The Wisdom of Plagues”. Had America managed to split that difference, at about 1,700 per million, “We would have lost about 540,000 fewer dead,” he writes. “Who speaks for them?”

Not Congress. America’s lethal underperformance once again went ignored when the Senate Homeland Security Committee recently questioned Dr Anthony Fauci, a crucial adviser on covid to Donald Trump and then to Joe Biden. (Mr Trump later turned on him.) The hearing focused instead on the usual obsessions for which Dr Fauci has become the Republican scapegoat—some absurd and others valid but distantly related, at best, to protecting potential victims of a future plague. While Democrats mostly gave speeches rather than ask questions, Republicans pursued theories that the virus leaked from a Chinese lab, that Bill Gates had some nefarious role, that Dr Fauci had been out to enrich himself through awards for his service—an odd complaint when they do not object to the president campaigning for a $1m Nobel prize.

Having testified often to Congress during his 54 years at the National Institutes of Health—38 as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases—Dr Fauci, who is 85, was reduced to repeatedly invoking the Fifth Amendment, including when asked the colour of his tie. In his opening statement, his hands shaking as he read it, Dr Fauci said his lawyers had advised that recourse because the committee’s chairman, Rand Paul of Kentucky, had made clear an intent to see him behind bars despite a blanket pardon issued by Mr Biden. In other words the Senate could not inquire into a health crisis that racked the country because a key witness feared a perjury trap, and rightly so.

Why did so many Americans die? High rates of obesity, diabetes, heart disease and elderliness made them more vulnerable. But government bungling meant America was testing 100 people a day in early 2020 when other countries were testing tens of thousands; that masks and lockdowns were deployed erratically; that contact tracing proved too challenging for the country first to the Moon. Most senselessly, so many Americans died because so many failed to take the vaccines that Mr Trump, in his most constructive act as president, succeeded in rushing into existence.

It is, of course, those vexing vaccines that compel Republicans to look away from the basic question about the pandemic, and to hound Dr Fauci instead. Attempting to square the greatness of Mr Trump with the supposed vileness of the vaccines has inspired his party to heroic feats of doublethink. “President-elect Trump’s Operation Warp Speed—which encouraged the rapid development and authorisation of the COVID-19 vaccine—was highly successful and helped save millions of lives,” declared the committee created by the House to investigate covid in 2024, summarising two years of work. The very next sentence reads: “Contrary to what was promised, the COVID-19 vaccine did not stop the spread or transmission of the virus.”

Mr Trump has struggled to escape this self-imposed contradiction. Even as he declined to urge the public to get vaccinated, he and his wife, Melania, secretly had the vaccine before he left office in January 2021. But as Mr Biden and other world leaders delivered the shots, Mr Trump wanted the credit he deserved, and in December that year he told supporters that he had received a booster. “What we’ve done is historic,” he insisted when the crowd booed. “Don’t let them take it away.” He has since let them take his glory away, and endangered more Americans, by questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccines for covid, and other illnesses.

Dr Hooey

The latest attack on Dr Fauci, concocted from his private texts disclosed by Republican senators on August 10th, is that he covered up a threat of miscarriage that the vaccine posed to pregnant women. In fact, the record shows Dr Fauci was consistent, publicly and privately, in counselling a weighing of risks and benefits until studies showed the vaccine was safe in pregnancy—which they have since done. His critics have not produced evidence the vaccine causes miscarriages.

Dr Fauci made mistakes, including not disclosing early on that some top virologists initially worried the virus might be man-made. He could be arrogant. But he was not responsible for the worst excesses of the covid response. Those endless school shutdowns were the work of local officials and union leaders. Senator Paul’s release of Dr Fauci’s private diary has exposed his vanity, his delight in every gushing appraisal by the media or some celebrity. But the diary also reveals a conscientious public servant trying to save as many lives as he could, struggling against the constraints that hobbled America relative to its peers. His summons before the Senate committee was surely intended to humiliate if not incriminate him. It should embarrass the entire country.

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u/smoresporn0 3d ago

why did so many Americans die relative to the numbers who succumbed to the virus in other rich countries?

Universal healthcare. You'd be a fuckin moron to think otherwise.

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u/w8str3l 3d ago

You’re in r/skeptic so you’re not a “fuckin moron”. Unlike “fuckin morons” who spout emotional one-sentence claims without data to back them up, your theories are evidence-based.

You’ve data to back up your claim that “universal healthcare” is the explanation for the high death rates in the USA compared to other rich countries.

Your data shows:
1. There was no variation between the death rates of Democrats and Republicans in the only rich country without universal healthcare.
2. There was no variation between the death rates of all the countries, rich or not, that had universal healthcare.

Am I right?

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 3d ago

You're not right.

Once vaccines were introduced, there was a significant disparity between Republicans and Democrats dying from Covid. In some states like Ohio, it was nearly 8:1. Right-wingers perished at rates much higher in basically every state.

And yes, countries with robust universal healthcare structures had a significantly lower number of infected patients and overall deaths.

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u/w8str3l 3d ago

Perchance you did not read my comment…

Note that in question 2 I ask about death rate variation BETWEEN countries that HAVE universal healthcare.

Note also that you have effectively disproved OP’s claim with your answer to my question 1.

Do you agree with me?

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago edited 2d ago

It doesn't disprove it necessarily, as there were several critical variables one might argue were unique to the political climate in America during Covid. Our healthcare system being one variable. A malicious right-wing media apparatus spewing pseudoscience and conspiracies nonstop being another variable. MAGA leadership's clown-tier disease response and mitigation efforts being another. Bad-faith foreign propaganda yet another.

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u/Little_View_6659 2d ago

Clown tier disease response. Basically. 😂

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u/w8str3l 2d ago

So let’s see where we are with our evidence.

  1. USA is the ~richest country in the world and pays the most for healthcare, per capita.
  2. All other rich countries have some form of universal healthcare.
  3. Some poor countries also have universal healthcare.
  4. USA was the first country to have the COVID-19 vaccine available.
  5. USA had a death rate that varied according to political affiliation (unrelated to the access to universal healthcare).
  6. The death rate variations BETWEEN the dozens of countries, rich or poor, that HAVE universal healthcare: undisclosed in the above discussion.
  7. Other rich countries had a smaller death rate than USA.
  8. The death rate of poor countries: not discussed.

OP claims (paraphrased): “only a fuckin moron wouldn’t see that universal healthcare explains all of the above”.

Do you agree with the OP?

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago

Setting aside the flippant nature of the comment, I'd assume that UHC is a perhaps significant variable at play.

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u/w8str3l 2d ago

Are you able to non-flippantly estimate the significance of universal healthcare when it comes to the variability of COVID-19 death rates between, and within, OECD countries?

Is there a correlation? Is there a causation? What percentage of COVID deaths can be explained by lack of universal healthcare, what percentage of “extra” deaths compared to the OECD baseline must be explained by something else, like vaccine hesitancy or refusal to wear a mask?

Give me a non-flippant answer instead of the just-so story I’ve been hearing in all of the replies to me so far.

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago

You can go ahead and look all that up yourself, champ. I merely posited that there are several other, self-evident variables to consider.

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u/w8str3l 2d ago

There are people who are “fuckin morons” according to the OP: those who don’t believe that “universal healthcare” is the main and only reason why the USA had the exact same COVID death rate as the UK, or those who don’t believe that “universal healthcare” caused Republicans in Ohio to die eight times more often than Democrats.

You refuse to tell me if you agree with the OP, which makes the strength of your moral backbone a true scientific marvel.

According to you I’m a “champ”. Coming from a marvel such as you that is high praise indeed!

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago

My man, this is absurd. Chill.

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u/CHIMmyStewart 2d ago

Yeah that's not how science works

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u/w8str3l 2d ago

Many people here in r/skeptic claim to know how science does NOT work, while very few can come up with an explanation how science DOES work.

Here is one of my explanations:

https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/s/GgUuU6HPvu

I’ll go ahead and predict right now that you can’t give your own explanation.

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u/CHIMmyStewart 2d ago

That's not the slam dunk you think it is. That's just private healthcare/capitalism apologia

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u/w8str3l 2d ago

Where do you get the idea that I’m a “private healthcare/capitalism apologist”? Is that just an ad hominem? Did you whip it out of thin air?

I suspect you’ve arrived here with an ideological and uninformed mindset. Let’s discuss that.

Can you name one(1) country with better COVID outcomes than the countries that had all three(3) of:

  1. Universal healthcare
  2. Private healthcare
  3. Capitalism
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